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[Bond_Bishop]

This discussion began in the Bond 21 "Bring Back Felix Leiter" thread. Here we can post questions about the novelisation of Licence to Kill because it is probably a part of the Bond Books Universe Timeline. GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day isn't in the part of the Books universe. I have a question: Does Gardner mentions anything about WaveKrest and what happened between Hildebrand Rarity and LTK and if the Milton Krest is a relative to the one in THR.

[Tarl_Cabot]

No but he does kepp the continuity of LALD so Felix's shark bite happened twice in his life!

[hrabb04]

Maybe they should have gave Felix the name Sharkey.

[Bond_Bishop]

But does James come back as a 00-agent in the book. If he doesn't how the hell could this be in the book universe if he doesn't comes back and is back as 007 in next book.

[Righty007]

The Licence To Kill Novelisation is part of the film universe. It is not in the same book series that includes stories by Ian Fleming, Robert Markham/Kingsley Amis, John Garder, Raymond Benson, and Charlie Higson.

[Bond_Bishop]

But the shark attack by Felix then. Is that a thing that happened in limbo in the movie universe then, Righty?

[Righty007]

But the shark attack by Felix then. Is that a thing that happened in limbo in the movie universe then, Righty?

Novels: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Live And Let Die in 1954.

Eon Films: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Licence To Kill in 1989. The novelisation takes place in the movie universe.

[Bryce (003)]

Novels: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Live And Let Die in 1954.

Eon Films: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Licence To Kill in 1989. The novelisation takes place in the movie universe.

That's about where I've always placed it Righty.

At the BCW, Flicka got a copy and was quite thrilled to be reading it as we visited the locales, but did ask me a lot of questions per "Bond Universe continuity" and I gave her much the same answer.

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[Qwerty]

But the shark attack by Felix then. Is that a thing that happened in limbo in the movie universe then, Righty?

Novels: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Live And Let Die in 1954.

Eon Films: Felix Leiter was attacked by a shark in Licence To Kill in 1989. The novelisation takes place in the movie universe.

Quite, they had to deal with that occurance before in Live And Let Die.

[Righty007]

There are six James Bond Universes:

Literary Universe: Original novels by Ian Fleming, Robert Markham/Kingsley Amis, John Gardner, Raymond Benson, and Charlie Higson.

Official Film Universe: The 20 "official" films starring Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. This category also includes the novelisations.

James Bond Junior Universe: James Bond Junior 0031/2 and the television series.

Parody Film Universe: Casino Royale

Unofficial Film Universe: Never Say Never Again

Video Game Universe: Agent Under Fire, NightFire, Everything or Nothing, and GoldenEye: Rogue Agent.

Edited by Righty007, 20 August 2004 - 10:42 PM.

[Qwerty]

Don't forget Casino Royale (2) then.

[Righty007]

Don't forget Casino Royale (2) then.

I didn't forget anything. I didn't include Casino Royale because it has nothing to with Ian Fleming's James Bond. I added it to the list to make you happy.

[Qwerty]

I see you added it now.

I didn't need a list, in any case.

[Bond_Bishop]

So what is the endpoint. Does Licence to Kill novelisation take place IN the Movie universe or the Books universe?

[Qwerty]

According to Righty, it is the movie.

You should read and decide for yourself.

[Bond_Bishop]

How can I get it. It was on swedish but then it disappeared.

[Righty007]

So what is the endpoint. Does Licence to Kill novelisation take place IN the Movie universe or the Books universe?

The novelisation is called a Movie Tie-In...

[Qwerty]

How can I get it. It was on swedish but then it disappeared.

eBay is your best bet then, they're not too hard to find.

[CharlieBind]

So what is the endpoint. Does Licence to Kill novelisation take place IN the Movie universe or the Books universe?

Both. I think the author tried to link both series together (ie it's the second time that Felix get's his leg bitten off)

[Simon]

So what is the endpoint. Does Licence to Kill novelisation take place IN the Movie universe or the Books universe?

Well it takes place in the film universe but it does refer to the literary universe too.

The fact that the Live and Let Die book shark attack was referred to meant that for the novelisation, as stated previously, it is about the only example where novelisations cross the forbidden boundary.

So for the purposes of veracity, one should say it takes place in both.

[CharlieBind]

it is about the only example where novelisations cross the forbidden boundary.

I think there is a few other examples (I'm not completely sure as it's around 14 years or so since I read it). For example I think Bond uses his 'Gardiner' cover name of 'James Boldman' at one point, plus the gun Bond uses is his regular book firearm not (I don't think) the one he uses in the movie and isn't their a mention of Cedar at one point (something along the lines of she is on assignment and so misses the wedding)?

Edited by CharlieBind, 22 August 2004 - 03:02 PM.

[Qwerty]

So what is the endpoint. Does Licence to Kill novelisation take place IN the Movie universe or the Books universe?

Both. I think the author tried to link both series together (ie it's the second time that Felix get's his leg bitten off)

Quite, just look at how his leg is explained.

[Simon]

I think there is a few other examples (I'm not completely sure as it's around 14 years or so since I read it).

Ah. It'll be roughly the same time for me then.

The memory doesn't extend to the rest of the examples though - sure you're correct as far as the other LTK novelisation references.

I was actually meaning it was about the only time one book crossed the boundary - ie, are there any other book examples when this happens, such as the Moonraker novelisation saying anything pertinant to another "universe"??

[CharlieBind]

I think there is a few other examples (I'm not completely sure as it's around 14 years or so since I read it).

Ah. It'll be roughly the same time for me then.

The memory doesn't extend to the rest of the examples though - sure you're correct as far as the other LTK novelisation references.

I was actually meaning it was about the only time one book crossed the boundary - ie, are there any other book examples when this happens, such as the Moonraker novelisation saying anything pertinant to another "universe"??

Hi,

I'm not sure (it's been even longer since I read the Wood books). I think Gardner tries to do the same thing in "Goldeneye", treating it both as the latest in the book series and as a film novelisation.

I think "Cold" references back to "Licence To Kill" (Bond's "private vendetta" is mentioned) but again the memory could be cheating.

[Simon]

Interesting. Have to admit book points non Fleming tend to be a bit hazy in the memory.

[Bond_Bishop]

Let's do like this. Everyone that has Gardner's novelisations read them and writes what they think about this. Okay! Then maybe whe have a endpoint. Hasn't it been personal vendetta's in the original novels too? It could've been something else. Man CBn try to meet up with Gardner and interview him like you did for Raymond Benson for the site so we finally can get some answers.

[Qwerty]

Let's do like this. Everyone that has Gardner's novelisations read them and writes what they think about this. Okay! Then maybe whe have a endpoint. Hasn't it been personal vendetta's in the original novels too? It could've been something else. Man CBn try to meet up with Gardner and interview him like you did for Raymond Benson for the site so we finally can get some answers.

Read GoldenEye and License to Kill?

What further endpoint are you searching for?

[Bond_Bishop]

If it's take place in the movie universe or the books universe. Probably Gardner means it to take place in the book universe. Who knows, the only way to find out is probably to ask him.

[Qwerty]

I point out this post by Simon earlier to you: "Well it takes place in the film universe but it does refer to the literary universe too."

I don't think it has to be 100% one or the other.

[Bond_Bishop]

Do we have this clear now. Does it take place in the film universe?

I say yes