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[Qwerty]

Guess we'll be watching a Japanese version.

[Bond_Bishop]

Here's some info. If you didn't knew. Some spoilers:

Beatrix/Bride/Black Mamba - was trained in Martial Arts by Pai Mei
Beatrix - was trained in fencing by Hattori Hanzo
Elle Driver - killed Pai Mei
Hattori Hanzo - made Bill a sword and trained him in fencing.
Bill - murdered O-Ren Ishii's parents when he was young together with Boss Matsumoto
Bill - was the pupil of Hanzo and Pai Mei
Beatrix - was supposed to marry Tommy Plumpton
Bill and Beatrix - had a daughter named B.B (BeatrixBill)
Gogo Yubari - had a sister named Yuki, she destroyed the Pussy Wagoon
Chapter title:
Chapter 1: "2"
Chapter 2: "The blood-splattered bride"
Chapter 3: "The Origin of O-Ren"
Chapter 4: "The Man from Okinawa
Chapter 5: "Showdown at Blue Leaves"
Chapter 6: "Massacre at Two Pines"
Chapter 7: "The Lonely Grave of Paula Schultz"
Chapter 8: "The cruel tutelage of Pai Mei"
Chapter 9: "Elle and I"
Chapter 10: "Face to Face"

Chronology:

- Bill gets tutelage from Pai Mei
- Bill gets tutelage and a sword from Hattori Hanzo
- Bill joins the Yakuza which is leaded by Boss Matsumoto
- Bill kills O-Ren Ishii's parents
- Bill resigns from the Yakuza
- O-Ren kills Boss Matsumoto
- Bill begins to train O-Ren
- Bill begins to form his "Deadly Viper Assassination Sqad", together with O-Ren, Beatrix Kiddo, Elle Driver, Vernita Green and Budd
- Beatrix and Bill becomes lovers
- Beatrix gets tutelage from Pai Mei
- Bill meets and trains up Sofie Fatale, Sofie and O-Ren becomes good friends
- Beatrix Kiddo quits DiVAS when she knows that she's pregnant
- Beatrix gets attacked by a Karen Kim
- Beatrix meets Tommy Plumpton and falls in love with him
- During the marriage rehearshal of Beatrix Kiddo and Tommy Plumpton. The DiVAS attacks and kills Tommy and all the persons inside the chruch. Sofie Fatale arrives later. Beatrix is put to coma
- Somehow Bill delivers B.B
- Elle tries to poison the comatose Bride but she is stopped by Bill
- Beatrix Kiddo wakes up after four years in coma, kills Buck and gets the Pussy Wagoon
- Beatrix goes to Okinawa to get tutelage and a sword from Hattori Hanzo
- Beatrix makes her "Death of Five" list on the way to Tokyo to kill O-Ren Ishii
- Beatrix kills O-Ren Ishii, the members of the Crazy 88, Gogo Yubari and injuries Sofie Fatale badly
- Beatrix goes to Pasadena and kills Vernita Green in front of her daugher Nikki
- On the way to Texas and Budd Yuki Yubari (Gogo's sister) tries to kill Beatrix. She trashes the Pussy Wagoon but Beatrix kills her.
- Beatrix goes to kill Budd but gets buried alive
- Elle Driver kills Budd and has a catfight with Beatrix
- Beatrix drags out the eye of Elle
- Beatrix goes to Bill to kill him
- Beatrix meets her daughter B.B for the first time
- Beatrix kills Bill and goes away with B.B to start a new life.

[Loomis]

Bill - murdered O-Ren Ishii's parents when he was young together with Boss Matsumoto

Not sure that that's been established, but having seen both volumes one after the other for the first time (on DVD) I seem to remember that the killer in that anime sequence has a distinctive ring which may or may not be on Bill's finger in the shots where we see him talking to Elle (while she's at the hospital) and stroking the handle of his sword - I'll try and remember to check whether it's there the next time I watch VOL 1.

Thanks for the chronology, though - be interesting to see the KILL BILL saga edited into chronological order.

[Qwerty]

Very cool list there, I echo the sentiments by Loomis.

[Qwerty]

Hmm, sorry about that Loomis, I should have been more clear.

How about the Assassination squad...

For me, each character she fights tops the last one:

1. Bill - The best character in all of Kill Bill. Period.
2. Elle Driver - I love her to death. She is the girl who's always been in 2nd place and wants to get to be #1. Great stuff.
3. Budd - The man who knows what he's done and is willing to accept the consequences. A terrific performance by Madsen.
4. O-Ren Ishi - She's not the most developed character, but is a cool one to fight. The anime sequence is terrific, and her sword fight with the Bride is the most beautiful action sequence I've seen in a long time.
5. Vernita Green - Even less developed than O-Ren. I do like how she's just a normal mom and has moved on, but she doesn't really have anything that stands out about her.

Having just recently bought both, I think I agree completely with that ranking.

[Loomis]

Here's a question:

In VOL 1, when Elle Driver takes the phone call from Bill at the hospital, she's told to abort the mission on the grounds that sneaking up on a comatose woman to do her in would be an underhand move and would "lower" the Deadly Vipers.

Okay. So why did Bill send her on that mission in the first place? Clearly, Elle didn't go to the hospital off her own bat to kill the Bride. Presumably, Bill decided that the Bride would be finished off while in her coma, but then changed his mind. Perhaps it's all intended to feed the idea that Bill (as he admits in VOL 2) felt sad after shooting the Bride, and that he couldn't ever quite bring himself to complete the job.

No biggie, but the scene does prompt the question.

[Harmsway]

Here's a question:

In VOL 1, when Elle Driver takes the phone call from Bill at the hospital, she's told to abort the mission on the grounds that sneaking up on a comatose woman to do her in would be an underhand move and would "lower" the Deadly Vipers.

Okay. So why did Bill send her on that mission in the first place? Clearly, Elle didn't go to the hospital off her own bat to kill the Bride. Presumably, Bill decided that the Bride would be finished off while in her coma, but then changed his mind.

No biggie, but the scene does prompt the question.

I think Bill wanted Beatrix absolutely dead to cover his tracks entirely - but then he must have changed his mind when he thought about it. He must have felt a pang of guilt, or remorse - especially now that he had Beatrix's daughter around. He wanted to give Beatrix a chance to come back.

We do find out later that he had always been telling Beatrix's daughter that mommy would wake up and come for her. Presumably there was a part of him always expecting, maybe even wanting, Beatrix to wake up.

[Loomis]

Agreed. But Bill couldn't admit any of that to the Deadly Vipers, so he had to keep up the "front" of wanting the Bride dead, by such means as sending people like Elle on assassination missions that he planned to make them abort at the eleventh hour.

[Qwerty]

Agreed. But Bill couldn't admit any of that to the Deadly Vipers, so he had to keep up the "front" of wanting the Bride dead, by such means as sending people like Elle on assassination missions that he planned to make them abort at the eleventh hour.

Good question indeed Loomis. I agree with Harmsway's answer, especially when you look at the dialogue at the ending of Kill Nill 2, as mentioned, with the daughter.

"Oh you don't owe her !"

[Bond_Bishop]

I would love to see a novelisation of this saga. Chronologiacly correct and a little more chapters.

[edit] I wrote wrong, damn!

Edited by Bond_Bishop, 12 September 2004 - 04:20 PM.

[Qwerty]

I will try to make a unoffical novelisation of the screenplay and the movies. And I will try to put things in chronological order. So there will be some changes in the Chapter names. And there will be 13 chapters instead of 10.

Really? That sounds like it could be quite the interesting task.

[Bond_Bishop]

Wait a second. I wrote wrong!!!

[Qwerty]

Ah, no problem, gotcha.