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[Qwerty]

Fits somehow into this thread perhaps...since rankings and thoughts are happening on QT's films, what about his characters in Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2?

[Loomis]

Not quite following, Qwert. You want us to rate the characters in the KILL BILLs?

[Qwerty]

Hmm, sorry about that Loomis, I should have been more clear.

How about the Assassination squad...

[Tarl_Cabot]

BTW, what are people's views on the deleted Michael Jai White scene on the VOL 2 DVD? Personally, I think it's awful and doesn't work at all - I was expecting a monumentally brutal, awe-inspiring fight designed to show just how lethal Bill is (something along the lines of the scrap between The Bride and Vernita, in other words); however, the scene appears to have been played exclusively for laughs, and as a comic interlude just falls flat. And what's with White's accent? Is he supposed to be playing a Brit, or just someone who's been badly dubbed into English (a la those cheesy old Hong Kong martial arts flicks)?

Maybe that's why it's a deleted scene.

[Harmsway]

Hmm, sorry about that Loomis, I should have been more clear.

How about the Assassination squad...

For me, each character she fights tops the last one:

1. Bill - The best character in all of Kill Bill. Period.
2. Elle Driver - I love her to death. She is the girl who's always been in 2nd place and wants to get to be #1. Great stuff.
3. Budd - The man who knows what he's done and is willing to accept the consequences. A terrific performance by Madsen.
4. O-Ren Ishi - She's not the most developed character, but is a cool one to fight. The anime sequence is terrific, and her sword fight with the Bride is the most beautiful action sequence I've seen in a long time.
5. Vernita Green - Even less developed than O-Ren. I do like how she's just a normal mom and has moved on, but she doesn't really have anything that stands out about her.

[Qwerty]

Nice choices. Seemed like Vol. 2 got the better of the bunch in your case then.

[Harmsway]

Nice choices. Seemed like Vol. 2 got the better of the bunch in your case then.

While Vol. 1 is more eye-popping and inventive than Vol. 2, there's no disputing that the level of character development is infinitely better in Vol. 2.

[JackChase007]

1. Bill - The best character in all of Kill Bill. Period.

Actually, I might even be so bold to say that Bill is perhaps the coolest, most interesting character in any TARANTINO movie. He's incredibly unique; an archvillain who does not kill his underlings for failure, but instead offers them sympathy. He's also quite a capable father, interestingly enough, and can really be both vicious and charming.

Not to mention, how many guys out there do you know of who could play a flute and still be intimidating as all hell?

Whoever says that Tarantino can't come up with new and interesting characters should watch Volume 2 a few dozen times and think before answering again...

[Harmsway]

1. Bill - The best character in all of Kill Bill. Period.

Actually, I might even be so bold to say that Bill is perhaps the coolest, most interesting characters in any TARANTINO movie. He's incredibly unique; an archvillain who does not kill his underlings for failure, but instead offers them sympathy. He's also quite a capable father, interestingly enough, and can really be both vicious and charming.

Not to mention, how many guys out there do you know of who could play a flute and still be intimidating as all hell?

Whoever says that Tarantino can't come up with new and interesting characters should watch Volume 2 a few dozen times and think before answering again...

I agree 100%.

[JackChase007]

I'm sorry, something that I really should have mentioned regarding Bill that was an injustice for me not to say;
David Carradine was fantastic in the role, and brought such an incredible and outstanding level of charisma and charm to the character. He could go from a guy you're supposed to, by all conventions, hate, to the most charming mother-er alive. The scene where he tells the Bride about the story of Pei Mei, you can't help but like him DESPITE the fact that you already know that he later goes on to shoot her in the head and rob her of four years with her child. And I don't think that anyone can deny that Carradine did wonders as Bill.

Taratino has certainly proved that he has a knack for casting, not to mention giving a "second chance" to forgotten actors and giving them memorable roles (Travolta was good in Pulp Fiction - although, it would have been interesting to see Michael Madsen play the role, as initially planned - and Robert Forster was fantastic in Jackie Brown).

[Qwerty]

Nice choices. Seemed like Vol. 2 got the better of the bunch in your case then.

While Vol. 1 is more eye-popping and inventive than Vol. 2, there's no disputing that the level of character development is infinitely better in Vol. 2.

I greatly look forward to buying Vol. 2, even though both films are fantastic.

[JackChase007]

Does anyone know any confirmed details about further DVD releases for the Kill Bill films? Will there indeed be a "complete" version? I'm trying to hold out and save my money for the ultimate release, and am curious to see if anyone knows what the deal is on that...(damn college...)

[Harmsway]

Does anyone know any confirmed details about further DVD releases for the Kill Bill films?  Will there indeed be a "complete" version?  I'm trying to hold out and save my money for the ultimate release, and am curious to see if anyone knows what the deal is on that...(damn college...)

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17 and based off the Japanese cut. Tarantino already gave the complete version its debut at Cannes (I at least think it was Cannes. If it wasn' that it was some other film festival...).

I believe the entirety of the changes were actually to the end of Vol. 1 (it's a bit extended, and the revelation of the Bride's daughter is removed) and the beginning of Vol. 2 (the black-and-white opener is out). Other changes are just differences inherent to the Japanese cut. Those differences include The House of Blue Leaves fight being displayed in full gory color.

[JackChase007]

I had heard something about a "complete epic" cut, and had my fingers crossed. Thanks a lot, Harmsway, for confirming that! I really look forward to seeing the movie as it was truly meant to be.

[Qwerty]

A different cut?

Sweet! I'll be interested in that.

[Athena007]

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17...

NC-17 ...now that's a little factoid I didn't know.
Hum, the first NC-17 movie I'll own.

[Qwerty]

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17...

NC-17 ...now that's a little factoid I didn't know.
Hum, the first NC-17 movie I'll own.

Mine too.

The most dreaded and avoided of ratings, no surprise he's trying one.

[Harmsway]

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17...

NC-17 ...now that's a little factoid I didn't know.
Hum, the first NC-17 movie I'll own.

Mine too.

The most dreaded and avoided of ratings, no surprise he's trying one.

Well, when he originally submitted Kill Bill Vol. 1, they slapped it with NC-17 for violence. In order to get the rating down he towned down The House of Blue Leaves fight by making in B&W, and removed some of the shots of the Bride mutilating Sofie in the car trunk. That cut is the Japanese version, and that was his original vision. He'll be combining that cut with Vol. 2 to put together the complete epic.

[CaCAA]

Not sure if you're all aware of this, put on the DVD, after the credits (there's about three sets of them), apparently there's an out-take. I didn't have time to check (got halfway through the third credits), and the credits are so wonderfully done! And I was actually quite disappointed that Bill died, he seemed to redeem himself in those last few moments.

And a few people like Elle here, ONLY Daryl Hannah can still look damn sexy after having her head shoved into toilet water

[Harmsway]

And I was actually quite disappointed that Bill died, he seemed to redeem himself in those last few moments.

It tugged at my heartstrings when he died too. For the entirety of Vol. 1 you think of him as an evil murderer, then Tarantino flips that conception on its head with Vol. 2. One of the most interesting characters ever to appear on film.

[Bond_Bishop]

Just saw KB Vol. 2 again and it is just so godamn great! I want that Uma gets an Oscar for her gret performance as Beatrix.

[Harmsway]

Just saw KB Vol. 2 again and it is just so godamn great! I want that Uma gets an Oscar for her gret performance as Beatrix.

I want David Carradine to get an Oscar for Bill more than I want Uma to get an Oscar for Beatrix. But let's face it, both performances are Oscar-worthy.

[Qwerty]

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17...

NC-17 ...now that's a little factoid I didn't know.
Hum, the first NC-17 movie I'll own.

Mine too.

The most dreaded and avoided of ratings, no surprise he's trying one.

Well, when he originally submitted Kill Bill Vol. 1, they slapped it with NC-17 for violence. In order to get the rating down he towned down The House of Blue Leaves fight by making in B&W, and removed some of the shots of the Bride mutilating Sofie in the car trunk. That cut is the Japanese version, and that was his original vision. He'll be combining that cut with Vol. 2 to put together the complete epic.

Originally NC-17? That's not surprising, but I am amazed at the amount of films that originally get that rating and then tone the films down to insure a safer R rating. Eyes Wide Shut is another example.

[Harmsway]

Yes, there will be a complete version, rated NC-17...

NC-17 ...now that's a little factoid I didn't know.
Hum, the first NC-17 movie I'll own.

Mine too.

The most dreaded and avoided of ratings, no surprise he's trying one.

Well, when he originally submitted Kill Bill Vol. 1, they slapped it with NC-17 for violence. In order to get the rating down he towned down The House of Blue Leaves fight by making in B&W, and removed some of the shots of the Bride mutilating Sofie in the car trunk. That cut is the Japanese version, and that was his original vision. He'll be combining that cut with Vol. 2 to put together the complete epic.

Originally NC-17? That's not surprising, but I am amazed at the amount of films that originally get that rating and then tone the films down to insure a safer R rating. Eyes Wide Shut is another example.

NC-17 generally equals junky box office receipts. It's always wise to tone it down for theatrical release, and then you can release your visionary cut later.

[Qwerty]

Indeed. It's ususally you see an Unrated version later, but this should be interesting if he is going with NC-17.

[Athena007]

In order to get the rating down he towned down The House of Blue Leaves fight by making in B&W....

Wait wait wait... so in this "director's cut" version will the B&W get turned back into Color. I really hope not! I thought the B&W was extremely artistic and I loved it. Noo... I'll miss the B&W if they change it, and I really believe it

[Loomis]

Wait wait wait... so in this "director's cut" version will the B&W get turned back into Color.

Apparently, although I gather that if you watch the Japanese DVD of VOL 1 it's in colour already.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='Athena007' date='19 August 2004 - 12:41'] [quote name='Harmsway' date='19 August 2004 - 04:09'] In order to get the rating down he towned down The House of Blue Leaves fight by making in B&W.... [/quote]
Wait wait wait... so in this "director's cut" version will the B&W get turned back into Color. I really hope not! I thought the B&W was extremely artistic and I loved it. Noo... I'll miss the B&W if they change it, and I really believe it

[JackChase007]

I want David Carradine to get an Oscar for Bill more than I want Uma to get an Oscar for Beatrix.

I definately think that Carradine deserves an Oscar as Bill. As you pointed out, he goes from a character you think you're supposed to hate and be repulsed by...but in Volume 2, you suddenly see him from another perspective, and actually kinda want to see him and Beatrix walk off into the sunset together. Hell, even Beatrix realized this before he finally died!

[Athena007]

Wait wait wait... so in this "director's cut" version will the B&W get turned back into Color.

Apparently, although I gather that if you watch the Japanese DVD of VOL 1 it's in colour already.

Noooooooooooooooooooo! *cries*

They should have a color option on the DVD. A simple idea, but one that could be effective.

Yes, this would be nice.