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[JimmyBond]

I'm gonna site Bond20 as a source of this info, just so Clint cant get pissed at me

'Anyways, I read that theres a scene where a long haired, bearded Bond gets turned over to the Americans in the demilitarized zone of North Korea.'

Sounds interesting actually, means that Moon appears to give Bond up. Only Bond has undergone months(years?) of brainwashing, he gets sent back to MI6 and the TMWTGG scenario takes place.

[JimmyBond]

I never said it was true. Just thought you guys would like to hear it, as it was news. If I'm not mistaken, Blue Eyes is on vacation till tomorrow, he might very well have reported this if he was here.

Tim,
Whenever I try to sound like I know something about history I always mess it up. I just meant to say that the Americans had bases within Germany in Octopussy.

[Tyler]

White Knight (18 Feb, 2002 04:51 p.m.):
This better not happen, I mean that would destroy the Bond formula. To have Bond be captured for so long and not escape is unthinkable. People come to the Bond movies expecting the same formula, and that formula is what bring the people back for more. I would agree for a month or two, but please don't brain wash him or anything.

i won;t mind distorting the formula a bit as long as they don;t make him look stupid. but five years is definitely too long, one or two years is acceptable.

[Jay]

Good reply EDC, my take on the shot in the shoulder may come from the fact M dodges away from the shot that is aimed for her head thus shooting her in the shoulder. Tanner, Robinson Moneypenney enter the office and subdue Bond. I may be wrong but that would be pretty cool. Another take is that Bond isn't brainwashed like you mention. I don't know how he could fake that for Moon's people but we don't know enough of the script. Also, i wonder if Bond has someone tailing him to make sure the job gets done, Zao maybe? Also why does Moon want to kill M?? I don't know but like I mentioned I think fleshing out the character is a good thing. Don't go overboard P&W, but a beaten Bond who ultimately wins out and gets the babe at the end works for me!!!

[Tyler]

JimmyBond (18 Feb, 2002 04:21 p.m.):
I'm gonna site Bond20 as a source of this info, just so Clint cant get pissed at me

'Anyways, I read that theres a scene where a long haired, bearded Bond gets turned over to the Americans in the demilitarized zone of North Korea.'

Sounds interesting actually, means that Moon appears to give Bond up. Only Bond has undergone months(years?) of brainwashing, he gets sent back to MI6 and the TMWTGG scenario takes place.

why to the american?

[Mister Asterix]

Agreed, Jay. I just think someone needs to have a better source before I am going to believe that this is in the film.

[Tyler]

White Knight (18 Feb, 2002 07:13 p.m.):
I just don't like the thought of him not escaping, and looking like a beggar, and on top of that being brainwashed.

no one is saying he is not escaping, he maybe escaping but fail and recapture. or maybe he still look good with beard like danny ocean release after four years in prison.

[Jay]

White Knight, the brainwashing part that you are nervous about is straight from Fleming's TMWTGG novel. He gets brainwashed by (I believe SMERSH) and is sent to assassinate M. This news from Blue eyes about Bond shooting M in the shoulder sounds like it has the potential to be one of the best on screen moments in Bond film history. Can you imagine the look on Dench's face when Bond pulls a gun on her. WOW!! I don't know what everyone's worried about these rumors (if true) sounds fantastic and just puts more flesh on Bond's character. In the Fleming books he IS NOT Superman he gets hurt, he goes to a shrink he has feelings. I think this approach that P&W are taking is the correct one. And like I mentioned earlier there will be plenty of Superman type stunts and chases SO, DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY!!

[JimmyBond]

It's my understanding, and someone correct me if I'm wrong. That the Americans occupy a part of Korea. Just like the Americans occupied a part of Germany in Octopussy.

[JimmyBond]

Tyler (19 Feb, 2002 05:49 a.m.):


can we trust p&w?

On this I can say yes! I know you love TWINE for its character driven storyline(forget the dull action) they produced a great film, for this, I can say I trust them.

[Rolex]

My take is Bond is brainwashed to assist Moons plans as mentioned in the spoiler but is designed not to harm this person. As a result he gives false information is to MI6, which throws them off the current investigations. M sends him off to Blades to recover from his 3-year hardship where he meets Miranda Frost who uncovers the fact that Bond is still brainwashed.
Sorry I have a furtive imagination at the moment, but its plausible and fits the facts we no to date.

[Mister Asterix]

I'm not saying this long hair and beard thing is not true, but I'm not going to trust a rumour whose source is listed as 'some guy on another forum who read somewhere that...'.

[Tyler]

JimmyBond (19 Feb, 2002 05:27 a.m.):
Tyler,

I understand your concern, but think about it. If someone was held for 3 years, they wouldnt just have stubble, they'd hav a beard.

you are allowed to shave,right? it's not 'count of monte cristo'.just don't make him look like a beggar.

also, will they expand a bit on his sufferings during capitivity and explore a bit on his mentality and how this has affected him, as a man, as bond...instead of just giving us three words on the screen 'x months/years later'...

can we trust p&w?

[Jay]

OOPs, So sorry!! EDC, if you want to resume this conversation i know pig latin maybe we can go from there!! LOL!!!

[freemo]

White Knight (18 Feb, 2002 04:51 p.m.):
This better not happen, I mean that would destroy the Bond formula. To have Bond be captured for so long and not escape is unthinkable. People come to the Bond movies expecting the same formula, and that formula is what bring the people back for more. I would agree for a month or two, but please don't brain wash him or anything.

I argee, not five years, thats crazy. A few months tops. Why would they hold onto him for so long ?, what if he's presumed dead all that time (like in the TMWTGG novel), wouldn't they assign the number '007' to someone else ?

I think some people get a bit reckless when they talk of breaking the Bond formula, sorry, but you can't forget what has made the films succesful for so long, and I don't want to watch Bond brainwashed, or emotionally hurt for two hours.

I thought Bond was supposed to be a bit of fun, escapsism, a fantasy. My take on it is that your supposed to sort of want to be Bond, well I don't want to be brainwahsed, have all emotional problems. You can have the 'character driven' pieces many of you are desperate for without it getting all melodramatic I think.

[Tyler]

Tanger007 (18 Feb, 2002 10:57 p.m.):
I like the whole idea of Bond being captured, held prisoner and escaping many years later. I think it would be great to see him 3/5 years later with long hair and a beard. After all, it helps to develop that more 'human side' of Bond.
If handlled correctly and played out carefully, this could turn into a classic Bond scene. Also so might the "Ahem" Bond/M situation.

i like that just no long hair and beard, haggard look with stubble will be enough to explain his torment.

[Mister Asterix]

Maybe we should all just refer to it as THAT THING in all caps. ;D

[White Knight]

I just don't like the thought of him not escaping, and looking like a beggar, and on top of that being brainwashed.

[Tanger]

I like the whole idea of Bond being captured, held prisoner and escaping many years later. I think it would be great to see him 3/5 years later with long hair and a beard. After all, it helps to develop that more 'human side' of Bond.
If handlled correctly and played out carefully, this could turn into a classic Bond scene. Also so might the "Ahem" Bond/M situation.

[Mister Asterix]

Jay (18 Feb, 2002 07:55 p.m.):(edited)
This news from Blue eyes about Bond...

Evil Doctor Cheese (18 Feb, 2002 08:55 p.m.):(edited)
Also why does Bond...

Jay (18 Feb, 2002 09:11 p.m.):(edited)
Good reply EDC, my take on the...

Jay and Doc Cheese, Blue Eyes asked us not to talk about this. Could you fellows modify your post so they don't speak about what Daniel asked not to.

[Tyler]

Rolex (21 Feb, 2002 01:13 p.m.):

However, the best bond films for melodrama OHMSS and FRWL did not follow the formula. I personally love these films. I am hoping they go down this road and devise a new formula that has drama at its core .

i want character depth, i want relationship, i don't want bond film to be an excuse for an assembly of great stunt and nothing, and it does not mean melodramatic.

[Tyler]

Jay (18 Feb, 2002 06:01 p.m.):
I'm not saying it's true either but it does play into what we know about the plot so far. Also, didn't Tamahori and Brosnan mention that the film would show Bond in a way we have not seen before? This maybe that way!! I for one love this idea of Bond being tortured, unable to escape and turned over it is more realistic and gives Bond a real vendetta against Moon and Zao. BTW from what we are hearing about Ice Palaces, car chases on ice, stealth cars and face mutation, I believe this bit of realism will be a nice mix with the fantasy elements!!

i quite agree with your rationale, but i don;t think long hair is necessary, it makes him look like a beggar.

[Rolex]

I thought Bond was supposed to be a bit of fun, escapsism, a fantasy. My take on it is that your supposed to sort of want to be Bond, well I don't want to be brainwahsed, have all emotional problems. You can have the 'character driven' pieces many of you are desperate for without it getting all melodramatic I think.[/quote]

If the producers want a blockbuster with huge returns then they better stick with a formula.
However, the best bond films for melodrama OHMSS and FRWL did not follow the formula. I personally love these films. I am hoping they go down this road and devise a new formula that has drama at its core .

[Evil Doctor Cheese]

Sorry bout that! Especially when there is no Spolier heading on the thread. I was the one who complained about it being talked about in a thread with Spoiler at the top. I've modified it post haste. Sorry if anyone read it who didn't want to.

[zencat]

This whole captured for many years thing has me VERY intrigued. Yes, it also makes me nervous to see Bond in this weakened condition...but, I don't know, if done right it could very interesting. And it is Flemingesque. Here's to hoping that it's true.

[JimmyBond]

Tyler,

I understand your concern, but think about it. If someone was held for 3 years, they wouldnt just have stubble, they'd hav a beard.

[JimmyBond]

Why would Moon want to kill M? Perhaps this Blofiield type character is still uknown to us, maybe he hasnt been casted yet. What I'm saying though, is maybe he wants to cause great havoc, one of the places to start would be assassinating the head of MI6.

Who knows, Bond20 could be the start of a series of related films. Much like Dr. No- Diamonds are Forever was Bonds battle against Spectre.

[Blofeld's Cat]

scaramanga (19 Feb, 2002 11:39 p.m.):
Battered, beaten, stubble, uncut hair, etc. I don't have nothing wrong with, but don't make him look like a beggar or someone who's just spent 20 years with the Spanish Inquisition. 3-5 years is way too long and unbelievable, I'd say 3-5 months is much better.

Sound like someone Rambo would rescue from a Vietnamese concentration camp in Rambo 2!

For Bond to have long hair and a beard he would have to have been locked up in solitary confinement, a place that is usually euphemisticly called "The Hole", and somehow escapes.

If he is allowed to be released for whatever reason, he would be done up to look like as if nothing had happened to him.

[Parasyte]

I want an over-elaborate escape that involes mutation, and lots of violence. Not a simple hand over. N e whoo, this reminds me a bit of a certain Sean Connery film where a forgotten prisoner of the Brittish govenment is handed over to the Americans...

[Jay]

I'm not saying it's true either but it does play into what we know about the plot so far. Also, didn't Tamahori and Brosnan mention that the film would show Bond in a way we have not seen before? This maybe that way!! I for one love this idea of Bond being tortured, unable to escape and turned over it is more realistic and gives Bond a real vendetta against Moon and Zao. BTW from what we are hearing about Ice Palaces, car chases on ice, stealth cars and face mutation, I believe this bit of realism will be a nice mix with the fantasy elements!!