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[bryonalston]

If you really think about it, Dalton was the only Bond who has a perfect track record with his films (with the exception of Lazenby, even though OHMSS, like any other movie, has flaws.) Connery had his flawed gem in DAF, Moore had his tarnished gold in TMWTGG, and Brosnan was forced to Try Another Way with Die Another Day. Both of Dalton's films are near perfect at what they are trying to accomplish. Dalton was great! GREAT!!

[Bondian]

I agree with you again bryonalston except for Rog's The Man With The Golden Gun.

That's now $10.00 you owe me.

Cheers,


Ian

If you really think about it, Dalton was the only Bond who has a perfect track record with his films (with the exception of Lazenby, even though OHMSS, like any other movie, has flaws.) Connery had his flawed gem in DAF, Moore had his tarnished gold in TMWTGG, and Brosnan was forced to Try Another Way with Die Another Day. Both of Dalton's films are near perfect at what they are trying to accomplish. Dalton was great! GREAT!!

[bryonalston]

TMWTGG is "tarnished gold," meaning that it doesn't really live up to its full potential. At least MR had the locations, score, villain and scale to make up for it's crappy humor and AVTAK had, well, San Francisco, the score, the song, etc to make up for everything else. TMWTGG's good points are buried underneath an ocean of bad ones. I don't think TMWTGG is anywhere close to being perfect. It had potential, but it blew it.

[Skin 17]

If you liked that, you should like LTK.

You're preaching to the converted in this forum tho

Dalton is indeed the man.

True, true we are all proud Daltonites

[Skin 17]

I think Dalton's bond was clearly the most realistic. With him you didn't get the feeling you were on some larger than life mega adventure.

[tdalton]

I think Dalton's bond was clearly the most realistic. With him you didn't get the feeling you were on some larger than life mega adventure.

His films actually represented the few times in the series where Bond actually did what his job description entailed, which was SPYING. Only a few times in the series do we really see Bond doing this: Dr. No, FRWL, GF, OHMSS, FYEO, TLD, and LTK.

It was Dalton's grittiness and realistic portrayal of what Ian Fleming put down on the page that made him a good Bond, and it's a shame that he only got two films in which to showcase his talent.

[Mr. Somerset]

Timothy Dalton is my hero.

[bryonalston]

That's great. You picked the best hero possible, right?

[Mr. Somerset]

That's great. You picked the best hero possible, right?

Yeah. I always felt that a well written/directed third film would've given him a wider audience. Perhaps a more formulaic vehicle yet keeping the harder edge?

[bryonalston]

I think that Dalton would have done good in GE circa 1992, especially if Anthony Hopkins was cast as Trevelyan (that would have eliminated the Grand Canyon sized plot hole surrounding Trevelyan's age.)

[Mr. Somerset]

I think that Dalton would have done good in GE circa 1992, especially if Anthony Hopkins was cast as Trevelyan (that would have eliminated the Grand Canyon sized plot hole surrounding Trevelyan's age.)

Right. It's always seemed strange how young Sean Bean is in GE. Everytime I come to the scene in the jail where Bond is questioning Natalya, I envision what Dalton might've done. Also the beach sequence.

[tdalton]

Yeah. I always felt that a well written/directed third film would've given him a wider audience. Perhaps a more formulaic vehicle yet keeping the harder edge?

That's exactly what GoldenEye should have been for him. Having Dalton and Hopkins in the movie rather than Brosnan and Bean would have left the franchise in much better shape both at the time and heading into the future. We would have had two top-notch actors in GE with Dalton and Hopkins, which would have made that film much, much better and would have lifted it out of being just a standard bank robber film dressed up to look like a Bond film. Also, we would have already had the natural choice to succeed Dalton should he have continued on in the role for another film or two in Sean Bean.

[DLibrasnow]

[quote name='tdalton' date='27 July 2005 - 23:16']His films actually represented the few times in the series where Bond actually did what his job description entailed, which was SPYING.

[tdalton]

[quote name='DLibrasnow' date='28 July 2005 - 13:32'][quote name='tdalton' date='27 July 2005 - 23:16']His films actually represented the few times in the series where Bond actually did what his job description entailed, which was SPYING.

[bryonalston]

An even bigger boost for a Dalton/Hopkins GE in the early 90's would have been the fact that Hopkins was just coming off of his Oscar win for playing Hannibal Lecter, the best villain of all. I think that audiences would have flocked to the theatres to see Hopkins play another villain role, especially so soon after 'The Silence Of The Lambs'

[Moore Not Less]

That's great. You picked the best hero possible, right?

Wrong, Mr Somerset should have picked Roger Moore.

I really admire Timothy Dalton's Bond. His was a nice contrast to Moore's Bond. So, he was a bit too serious at times and was uncomfortable with the humour. It never bothered me the way it seems to have bothered a lot of Bond fans.

I think that Dalton was unlucky, he was the right man at the wrong time. I'd would like to have seen more of him as James Bond. My favourite Dalton moment is his introduction in TLD, it's not as defining as Sean Connery's in DN, but it's equally as good.

Edited by Moore Not Less, 28 July 2005 - 09:19 PM.

[bryonalston]

Does anyone know if this is true? I saw this on his profile over at IMDB

"According to the James Bond film tailors in London, at 6' 2" he is the tallest of all the Bond actors. The tailors who have fitted and measured each of the 5 Bonds over the years claim the following heights for each of the other Bond actors: Sean Connery 6' 1 1/2" without shoes, George Lazenby 6' 1 1/2" without shoes, Roger Moore 6' 1" without shoes and Pierce Brosnan 6' 1" without shoes."

[Red Barchetta]

IMHO, Dalton is closest to the novel Bond. He's almost dead on in his take as Bond.

[tdalton]

IMHO, Dalton is closest to the novel Bond. He's almost dead on in his take as Bond.

Well said

And welcome to the forums.

[Lady Rose]

Does anyone know if this is true? I saw this on his profile over at IMDB

"According to the James Bond film tailors in London, at 6' 2" he is the tallest of all the Bond actors. The tailors who have fitted and measured each of the 5 Bonds over the years claim the following heights for each of the other Bond actors: Sean Connery 6' 1 1/2" without shoes, George Lazenby 6' 1 1/2" without shoes, Roger Moore 6' 1" without shoes and Pierce Brosnan 6' 1" without shoes."

I have seen this too but I cannot confirm if it is true or not ( not much help I know).It's certainly true he is 6'2" (I have seen him in the flesh and would be surprised if he came in any less) but all the Bond actors seem to be around that mark. I mean, 1/2 an inch isn't much is it? Perhaps its the 80's hair that gives him the edge.

Its just nice to see they all appear to be genuinely tall and not acting on boxes!

I saw a similar thing with the Bond tailors which said Brosnan, during GoldenEye, was the lightest of all the Bonds.

[Byron]

An even bigger boost for a Dalton/Hopkins GE in the early 90's would have been the fact that Hopkins was just coming off of his Oscar win for playing Hannibal Lecter, the best villain of all. I think that audiences would have flocked to the theatres to see Hopkins play another villain role, especially so soon after 'The Silence Of The Lambs'

A Dalton/Hopkins GE film following Michael France's original screenplay would have been a strong contender for best ever JB film. I can't imagine a better combination of lead and villain in any of the other films except maybe Dr No.

[Byron]

I have seen this too but I cannot confirm if it is true or not ( not much help I know).It's certainly true he is 6'2" (I have seen him in the flesh and would be surprised if he came in any less) but all the Bond actors seem to be around that mark. I mean, 1/2 an inch isn't much is it? Perhaps its the 80's hair that gives him the edge.

Its just nice to see they all appear to be genuinely tall and not acting on boxes!



I think 6'2" in the ideal height for a man. I wish i had those extra 2"

[tdalton]

I saw a similar thing with the Bond tailors which said Brosnan, during GoldenEye, was the lightest of all the Bonds.

I think I saw that article as well. It also said that during Die Another Day, Brosnan was also the heaviest actor to play 007.

[Lady Rose]

I saw a similar thing with the Bond tailors which said Brosnan, during GoldenEye, was the lightest of all the Bonds.

I think I saw that article as well. It also said that during Die Another Day, Brosnan was also the heaviest actor to play 007.

You could tell. In the scene were he is doing his wolf man impression he is seriously holding it all in! But maybe its all that chest hair weighing him down.Its the only time Brosnan was ever like Connery

But back to Dalton being cool ....

Absolutely.Especially as he came in after Moore and knowing George Lazenbys fate
I think he was very brave.He took the role and put his own spin on it.At least he had his own interpretation.I think even the press have lightened up a little with the critics now accrediting him with bringing the series back to earth and making James Bond credible again.He deserves a lot more positive recognition for the role.

As it turned out I think his tenure was a very important cog in the the wheel of Bond.It was a definite turning point and allowed the producers to take a chance for once and try something different.The series needs 'what the...' moments every now again to shake it up and revitalize it.We are at that stage now.If Eon can find another actor who is as strong and brave as Dalton, the series will continue to flourish.

[licensetostudy]

If you really think about it, Dalton was the only Bond who has a perfect track. Both of Dalton's films are near perfect at what they are trying to accomplish. Dalton was great! GREAT!!

Read this:

http://movie-reviews...s.net/bond.html

See if this link works, and if so click on TLD review.

Edited by licensetostudy, 29 July 2005 - 10:23 PM.

[Turn]

If you really think about it, Dalton was the only Bond who has a perfect track. Both of Dalton's films are near perfect at what they are trying to accomplish. Dalton was great! GREAT!!

Read this:

http://movie-reviews...living_day.html

The link doesn't work. You need to click on the site name to get there, then do a search.

I actually agree with him on some points, but it's all basically opinion and taken more as a film critic/historian's view than that of a Bond fan, so what's the point of putting this on here? Some people think Dalton is GREAT, so it's not like they are going to be swayed by this arguement.

[Frostyak]

I saw TLD when I was younger and for some reason it stood out against the rest. I watch it again every year or two and still it remains my favorite in a three way tie with Goldfinger/Goldeneye.

- Chris

[Moore Not Less]

The series needs 'what the...' moments every now again to shake it up and revitalize it.We are at that stage now.If Eon can find another actor who is as strong and brave as Dalton, the series will continue to flourish.

Personally, I prefer Pierce Brosnan for Casino Royale. If Brosnan becomes history, then I hope that you are right regarding Bond 6 being a strong and brave actor like Dalton. You also made a good point regarding 'what the...' moments shaking up and revitalizing the series. That is needed now, regardless of which actor is chosen.

[bryonalston]

I do think that TLD had it's faults, but for some reason, those things don't drag the movie down too much. A stronger villain, a more competent Bond girl and a little more action would have made the movie near perfect. Dalton was definitely the bravest actor to play Bond, especially doing a movie like LTK as your second film. I think that he should definitely receive more credit than he has gotten in the past 15 or so years.

And I also agree on the point about the "What the...?" moments in the series. It's time for EoN to have some courage and take a risk, and I'm pretty sure that if Visnjic is cast, this would be the right time to do it, and that would be the ultimate "What the...?" moment in the series.

Edited by bryonalston, 29 July 2005 - 08:35 PM.

[tdalton]

If you really think about it, Dalton was the only Bond who has a perfect track. Both of Dalton's films are near perfect at what they are trying to accomplish. Dalton was great! GREAT!!

Read this:

http://movie-reviews...living_day.html

The link doesn't work. You need to click on the site name to get there, then do a search.

I actually agree with him on some points, but it's all basically opinion and taken more as a film critic/historian's view than that of a Bond fan, so what's the point of putting this on here? Some people think Dalton is GREAT, so it's not like they are going to be swayed by this arguement.

This review site also said that TND was one of the best Bond movies since Connery left the role, so it's really hard to take him seriously.