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[007luvchild2]

Let's say we take a ride back in time, 1990, and in another parallel universe, Dalton actually gets another Bond film. You call the shots.
Who would Direct it?
Who would be M and MoneyPenny?
Who would do the Theme Song/music?
Who would be the Bond Girls?
What will be the plot?
etc.

Who would Direct it? One of my favorite Frankenheimer

Who would be M? Now, they take a step of making the next M a woman, but I would choose an American, but not just any American. I would have love to have James Earl Jones as M, simply because the chemistry between Dalton and Jones actors is something to probably look forward to. Not only that, I think Jones have this authoritative presence onscreen. I can picture him being some what similar to Miles Messervy personality-wise.

MoneyPenny - Emma Samms, okay so she did play a little brat off of Dynasty, but she could be absolutely flirtatious, and delightful to watch

Theme Song - The Smiths - end title song -soft number by Taylor Dane, Scoring John Barry

Bond Girls - Orntella (msp) Muti - I know it would come off as weird because Dalton was Prince Baron in Flash Gordon and she was his love interest, but she was absolutely beautiful. Probably cast her as the Femme Fatale.
Not the major admired women back then were between unknown to known - so its pretty safe to cast Nicole Kidman at this time.

Villain - Jean Reno, Gerard Depardieu, or Jeremy Irons

Plot - Would Borrowed from one of the Gardner's novel. However, being that we would have fortright knowledge what will come.

What about the fellow CBNers especially those who are fans of Dalton? Let your imagination do the work for you.

[B007GLE]

I love this "What-If?" type stuff:

Practically if they had continued with TD and released a film in 1991 it would have gone somehting like this:

Title: Property of a Lady (my favorite unused Fleming title.)

Director: John Glenn

Plot: A Goldfinger-esque plan to steal the Crown Jewels.

Villain: They'd try to do somehting a little different and it would be female mastermind played by Faye Dunaway.

M and Moneypenny would have been the same old Brown and Bliss.

Bond girl: Helena Bonham Carter

Did I leave anything out?

[booyeah_]

I think an early 90's big screen version of the novel Casino Royale starring Timothy Dalton could have been a masterpiece.

Rookie director Michael G. Wilson, same M and Moneypenny and Elton John sings/performs the theme song.

LeChiffre would be played by Jean Reno. The plot could be expanded more with SMERSH being a threat to HMSS with the assassinations of several agents and perhaps trying to cause war between countries once controlled by the former USSR in attempt to unite it ala Otto Von Bismark.

[Loomis]

I've posted this twice before on other threads, but I thought I might as well resurrect it, since it fits the topic. I tried to imagine what COLONEL SUN might have been like if it had been released in 1991, starring Dalton:

COLONEL SUN (1991)
Directed by John Frankenheimer. (Snap, 007luvchild2! )

Produced by Albert R. Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson. Written by Michael G. Wilson and Bruce Fierstein. Director of Photography: Jost Vacano. Music by Basil Poledouris. Production Designer: Peter Lamont. Editor: Stuart Baird.

Starring:
Timothy Dalton as James Bond
Anne Parillaud as Ariadne Alexandrou
John Lone as Colonel Sun Liangtan
Joan Chen as Jenny Li
J

[SnakeEyes]

If I had the cash, if I had the way, if the law would leave me alone...I would make that film tomorrow.

The synopsis has me wetting myself already. not sure about some of the casting, but that's semantics: the film would have been solid.

[booyeah_]

Loomis, is that the plot from the book or your expansion of the events of the book? Either way it would have made a great Bond movie.

[The Next Bond]

Who would Direct it - Martin Campbell. He handled Goldeneye brilliantly after all.
Who would be M and MoneyPenny - Keep Robert Brown & Caroline Bliss. Brown was only just beginning to show his gruffer side with LTK, while Bliss barely got a chance to shine at all.
Who would do the Theme Song/music - Unsure, but I'd like it to be a female-sung orchestra piece rather than a techno band thing.
Who would be the Bond Girls - Again, unsure. Perhaps Nicole Kidman.
What will be the plot - Another dark thriller, in the style of Living Daylights, but with a bit more action and more clearly defined villains.

[007luvchild2]

Loomis - That was SMASH-TASTIC!
And John Lone - I adored him in the Last Emperor and
Year of the Dragon, the latter being one of my favorites.

[B007GLE]

Hats off to Loomis!

I'd be glad to read any other What-if? plots you have up your sleeve.

[Loomis]

Loomis, is that the plot from the book or your expansion of the events of the book?

It's my own tarting up of the book. Ariadne Alexandrou, Sun Liangtan, Von Richter and Niko Litsas are characters in the novel (although Litsas is not the head of the Greek secret service), but Jenny Li is my own *cough* invention (I cough since she's more of a germ of an idea, a gleam in my eye, than a character I've created). I thought it would be nice to have a secondary Bond girl (and what Raymond Benson in his "Bedside Companion" refers to as "the obligatory sacrificial lamb"), and a Chinese one seemed just what the doctor ordered for a film of "Colonel Sun".

The kidnapping of M is also from Amis, and Sun's plot to cause mayhem and implicate the Brits is pretty much the same (I felt, though, that the stakes needed to be upped since this is the cinematic Bond we're dealing with, so he's now trying to kill a whole bunch of world leaders rather than the targets he's after in the book, who if memory serves are just delegates at a peace conference - important people, but small fry compared to the Bushes and Blairs of this world).

Bond does not go to China in the book, but I thought a screen adaptation could have used an extra "exotic" setting. Amis' prose brings Greece to life superbly, but that would be a very tough thing for filmmakers to accomplish, so another locale seemed a good idea to keep things lively. Since the screen Bond has never been to the People's Republic, and Sun is from there, it seemed too good to pass up. Actually, I really want to see Bond in Beijing (hint, hint, in case people like Michael G. Wilson, Barbara Broccoli and Purvis & Wade are reading this). And I felt that 007 wanting to do some independent investigating before walking straight into what is very obviously a trap in Greece was more credible than what happens in the novel, with Bond going straight to Greece. (That was only my feeling, though - I'm not arrogant enough to consider myself capable of more believable plotting than Amis.)

In the book, the final confrontation between Sun and Bond takes place in Greece, but I liked the idea of Bond pursuing Sun to his home country (and hunting him down on his own territory, where he thought he was safe, rather like he did with Sanchez in LICENCE TO KILL). I also liked the idea of a closing chase to the border with "free" Hong Kong.

Obviously, Lupe doesn't appear in the novel, and there's no tie-in with LTK (unsurprisingly, as "Colonel Sun" was published some 20 years before that film came out!), no subplot involving a disgraced Bond's attempts to mend fences with the British secret service, no opening training mission....

Thanks for the compliments, everyone.

[Jaelle]

I absolutely adore Loomis' treatment, or however one should call it. I've read it before but just had to read it again. What gets me the most is the whole plot about Bond having to redeem himself with M, dealing with hostility among his colleagues and within MI-5 circles. That sort of angst would be just perfect material for Tim.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Let's say we take a ride back in time,  1990,  and in another parallel universe, Dalton actually gets another Bond film.  You call the shots.
Who would Direct it?
Who would be M and MoneyPenny?
Who would do the Theme Song/music?
Who would be the Bond Girls?
What will be the plot?
etc.

My dream 1990 "Alternate Universe" Bond film-

Timothy Dalton as James Bond 007 in

Ian Fleming's Casino Royale

co-starring Monica Bellucci as Vesper Lynd

Gary Oldman as Le Chiffre

Lee Horsley(TV's Matt Houston) as Felix Leiter

Jean Reno as Rene Mathis

Emma Samms as Sylvia Trench

Desmond Llewellyn as Q

Caroline Bliss as Miss Moneypenny

Geoffrey Keen as the Minister of Defence

and Robert Brown as M

Music Composed and Conducted by John Barry

Title Song Sung by Belinda Carlisle

Production Designed by Ken Adam

Screenplay by Richard Maibaum and George MacDonald Fraser

Directed by John McTiernan(Die Hard)

I wish CR and Loomis' idea for Colonel Sun had both been made with Dalton.

I remember back in 1991 imagining a Bond film where Bond returns to his old enemy, the former U.S.S.R. and has an adventure there(4 yrs. before GE. I'm not kidding.) where he runs into old flame Anya Amasova.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

fantasize about a 3rd dalton film? or more for that matter? oh heavens no, i was so glad when he was out until i cant have those kind of horrible thoughts

[SnakeEyes]

Yes, you keep fantasizing about Xmas Jonez and her fake tits and leave us be with our Dalton

[BONDFINESSE 007]

and her fake tits

snakey, those are not fake, trust me on that

[007luvchild2]

Prince Kamal Khan,

I didn't think of Lee Horsley as Felix Leiter, he would have been perfect considering the age and good match for Dalton.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Prince Kamal Khan,

I didn't think of Lee Horsley as Felix Leiter, he would have been perfect considering the age and good match for Dalton.

And like Fleming's original Leiter, Horsley's a native Texan. He would have been a perfect choice for Felix in either a Timothy Dalton or a Pierce Brosnan Bond film. The sight of Remington Steele and Matt Houston teaming up on a spy mission would've been cool for children of the '80s such as myself .

Edited by PrinceKamalKhan, 21 January 2004 - 03:27 AM.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Prince Kamal Khan,

I didn't think of Lee Horsley as Felix Leiter, he would have been perfect considering the age and good match for Dalton.

And like Fleming's original Leiter, Horsley's a native Texan. He would have been a perfect choice for Felix in either a Timothy Dalton or a Pierce Brosnan Bond film. The sight of Remington Steele and Matt Houston teaming up on a spy mission would've been cool for children of the '80s such as myself .

its funny cause in bensons books thats who i see as leiter...lee horsley, now i dont feel crazy for saying that

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Prince Kamal Khan,

I didn't think of Lee Horsley as Felix Leiter, he would have been perfect considering the age and good match for Dalton.

And like Fleming's original Leiter, Horsley's a native Texan. He would have been a perfect choice for Felix in either a Timothy Dalton or a Pierce Brosnan Bond film. The sight of Remington Steele and Matt Houston teaming up on a spy mission would've been cool for children of the '80s such as myself .

its funny cause in bensons books thats who i see as leiter...lee horsley, now i dont feel crazy for saying that

You pictured Horsley-as-Leiter while reading Bond books? Cool! That's more evidence that he would be right for the role. I think Horsley would have made one of the very best onscreen Felix Leiters. It may still happen. After all, he's around Brosnan's age and I can't imagine he would be very expensive for MGM/EON to hire in the role. And even if it didn't happen during Brosnan's tenure, Horsley could still play Felix with the next 007. The series has had Leiters who were older than Bond before(i.e., GF, DAF and LTK).

I'm glad you can see Horsley as Leiter, BONDFINESSE007! Now if we could just convince you to like Dalton as Bond........

[Q-Zar]

I suppose Leiter would then have a desk job, because I don't think he's fit to be a field agent anymore ^_^;

[Agent 76]

Who would Direct it? - john glenn
Who would be M and MoneyPenny? - M->Robert Brown MoneyPenny->Helena Bonham Carter
Who would do the Theme Song/music? - >Sting/David Bowie
Who would be the Bond Girls?->Miranda Richardson
Who would be the bad Guy ->David Suchet
James Bond->Timothy Dalton

[Tarl_Cabot]

Why recast M and MoneyPenny? I'd stick with the 87-89 era people and john Glen since he knows how to direct action well and if he has a strong script he can do terriffic work(FYEO,TLD are '80s standouts).

I think a Tim 007 in '91 would have been great if made into an adaptation of 'Icebreaker' opposite Jurgen Prochnow. sigh...

[SnakeEyes]

Someone should do a harder edged fan film with Tim in mind based on (book/film/plot name here) to satisfy us.
I find most fan films just to be tired spoofs.

[booyeah_]

[quote name='PrinceKamalKhan' date='20 January 2004 - 15:56'] [quote name='007luvchild2' date='14 January 2004 - 21:07']Let's say we take a ride back in time,

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[PrinceKamalKhan]

[quote name='booyeah_' date='30 January 2004 - 14:01'] [quote name='PrinceKamalKhan' date='20 January 2004 - 15:56'] [quote name='007luvchild2' date='14 January 2004 - 21:07']Let's say we take a ride back in time,

[Tarl_Cabot]

LOL that rocks!

[bryonalston]

Title: COLD LIGHT OF DAY
Synopsis: After James, who is being re-evaluated, is marked for death at the complex in Finland, is marked for death, James sets out on his mission to find out who is behind it. He discovers that a SPECTRE-like organization of criminals and politicians are using the fall of the Cold War as a front to cover up the theft of control of a space-based weapons platform. James teams up with a defecting Russian Admiral, which quickly turns into a love affair. With a deep, ever evolving plot, like Octopussy, the film features a return of classic Bond elements.

[White Tuxedo]

Loomis, I love your COLONEL SUN idea!!!!!!!!!!! I'm about to read the novel soon, after I shoot through TMWTGG. But your idea and zencat's SHATTERHAND are by far the best fan rundown's of Bond film ideas I've heard.

Edited by White Tuxedo, 02 February 2004 - 05:56 AM.

[Loomis]

Loomis, I love your COLONEL SUN idea!!!!!!!!!!! I'm about to read the novel soon, after I shoot through TMWTGG. But your idea and zencat's SHATTERHAND are by far the best fan rundown's of Bond film ideas I've heard.

Thank you.

[H.M.Servant]

Title: COLD LIGHT OF DAY
Synopsis: After James, who is being re-evaluated, is marked for death at the complex in Finland, is marked for death, James sets out on his mission to find out who is behind it. He discovers that a SPECTRE-like organization of criminals and politicians are using the fall of the Cold War as a front to cover up the theft of control of a space-based weapons platform. James teams up with a defecting Russian Admiral, which quickly turns into a love affair. With a deep, ever evolving plot, like Octopussy, the film features a return of classic Bond elements.

good title