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[ray t]

what's the big deal?

there are fine lines between a) "having fun", being considered a social pariah, c) doing things for money (because you either NEED it to pay bills or beacuse you WANT it to maintain a lifestyle) d) cutting a deal with a corporate entity to defray marketing costs and e) having a scene for purely artistic reasons

whats the big deal?

as for role models...well the best role models are very good parents or Jesus Christ himself...the rest of us are pretty flawed in some way or other.

ho hum

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by ray t
d) cutting a deal with a corporate entity to defray marketing costs  

I never quite understood why people were all upset by all the marketing in DAD. The James Bond movies have always done that....!

[Loomis]

Originally posted by ray t

what's the big deal?

there are fine lines between a) "having fun", being considered a social pariah, c) doing things for money (because you either NEED it to pay bills or beacuse you WANT it to maintain a lifestyle) d) cutting a deal with a corporate entity to defray marketing costs and e) having a scene for purely artistic reasons

whats the big deal?

The big deal is this: Brosnan has done cigarette ads, smokes cigars in DIE ANOTHER DAY and does not hide the fact that he smokes cigarettes and cigars in real life - yet for some extraordinary reason he is hailed as someone who "understands he is a role model and actually takes responsibility for what his actions might inspire others to do". He is praised as one who sets a "trailblazing example" and "shows strong leadership in the Hollywood community".

So this cigar enthusiast and erstwhile face of Lark is some kind of anti-tobacco guru and shining example to us all, is he? I'm certainly not suggesting that Brosnan/Bond ought to be seen as a role model and act accordingly: I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of claiming (as some are) that he is a deeply moral man with an admirable stance on the issue of smoking.

As for his "courageous lead" (which I'm not sure exists anyway), what's courageous about it? Surely it would be far more courageous in this day and age to smoke cigarettes onscreen and tell the PC brigade to go to hell, no?

[ray t]

not only have the films had real products from real companies in them since Dr. No (smirnoff vodka, pan american airlines, sunbeam roadster, blah blah blah) but fleming had things like toiletries, cigarettes, airlines, jewelers (faberge', tiffany's, van cleef and arpell), haberdashers, blah blah blah in his books

[ray t]

Originally posted by Loomis


The big deal is this: Brosnan ...is hailed as someone who "understands he is a role model and actually takes responsibility for what his actions might inspire others to do". He is praised as one who sets a "trailblazing example" and "shows strong leadership in the Hollywood community".  

So this cigar enthusiast and erstwhile face of Lark is some kind of anti-tobacco guru and shining example to us all, is he?

why lose sleep/intellectual capital over this, old boy. if youre looking for some screen actor who plays James Bond to be a role model, your looking in the wrong place

as i said, the only role models out there are:

very good parents and JC himself

[Loomis]

Originally posted by ray t

why lose sleep/intellectual capital over this, old boy.

Losing neither, old buddy. Merely having a bit of the usual CBn fun.

Originally posted by ray t

as i said, the only role models out there are:

very good parents and JC himself  

And as I said, I'm certainly not suggesting that Brosnan/Bond ought to be seen as a role model and act accordingly. No, I don't want Brosnan/Bond to be hailed as a shining example for the kids - but I'm pointing out the contradictions when others hail him as such.

[ray t]

Originally posted by Loomis



...I'm pointing out the contradictions when others hail him as such.

the 'others', then, need to get a real life:D;):cool:

[Loomis]

Exactly. And in particular, they need to understand that Brosnan may not be the lovely, wonderful, flawless chap of their imaginations.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

i dont care if brosnan smokes, but he as james bond should not

[ray t]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
i dont care if brosnan smokes, but he as james bond should not

what if a scene warrented it?

eg: bond is under-cover in the far east or eastern europe and is socializing with a group of thugs to maximize his hum-int. gets offered a cigarette from a mafia-type...what should he do?

a) take it to be one of the boys; or

say its a filthy habit and politely decline

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Loomis
Exactly. And in particular, they need to understand that Brosnan may not be the lovely, wonderful, flawless chap of their imaginations.

I could mention one CBNer who thinks Pierce is as close to perfect as one human being can be....
No, I'm not referring to Jim

[Loomis]

You are, of course, referring to Bondpurist.

[DLibrasnow]

You got me....damn how did you guess so fast!

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
Maybe Bond got tired of how many times the girls told him they didn't like kissing a man who smoked?

I meant to respond to this awhile back and forgot.

Actually, actors who smoke are used to having a constant supply of lozenges or gum or some sort of mint spray to prepare for any kissing scenes. Tim got used to doing this, even after he stopped smoking (tho it took a long time for him to *finally* quit -- he'd quit, then start up again, then quit again, etc.) One of the extras on the Beautician & the Beast is a member of our online Dalton fan community. In her report of her experiences on the set, she said she saw Tim periodically pop a stick of gum or a mint lifesaver in his mouth, or spray something into it.

Here's a funny photo of Tim on the set of Scarlett chewing bubble gum and blowing a bubble:

http://timothydalton...top/photo56.jpg

Mind you, having dated two heavy smokers I've always wondered just how effective all this preventive care is.

[SeanValen00V]

Having booze like Bond does is bad for his liver, Bond is a reckless man with his health, and thats life, can't hide that, I think its more alarming shaken not stirred and drinks with Bond is treated more joyful then his ciggies, because booze is as bad as well, given how much Bond drinks.

[DLibrasnow]

One chuckle that DAD did get in the theater was when the doctors are examing an unconscious Bond on the hospital ship in Hong Kong harbor and they make the remark "It's definately him"...

[Pussfeller]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


I never quite understood why people were all upset by all the marketing in DAD. The James Bond movies have always done that....!

And remember the Fleming books! He uses more brand-names than any author I've ever read, not that he got any money for doing it. Perhaps Eon can justify its product-placement by claiming "literary homage."