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[4 Ur Eyez Only]

That was Roger's most hardcore moment..

[ray t]

Originally posted by 4 Ur Eyez Only
That was Roger's most hardcore moment..

which one? where he matter-of-factly points the walther at rosie's head after having his way with her?

in LALD it may have been...he's had even 'harder core' moments in TMWTGG, TSWLM and FYEO.

[Xenobia]

I think Roger's hardest moment is when he smacks Maud Adams around in TMWGG.

Even when he confronts Rosie in LALD, he's not rough with her. And as for his moments with Solitare...it's not a rough seduction. It's a dicey one, but it is not a rough one.

-- Xenobia

[DLibrasnow]

Hardcore moment -- slapping Maud Adams around, swatting his tie in TSWLM (which sends Sandor to his death) and kicking Locques car off the cliff...

"What a helpful chap"

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I think what was pretty wild/hardcore is roger tricking a girl into having sex with him

wow

[Matt O'S oo4]

Finding the body of a fellow agent is usually quite difficult. Think how many times we've seen that occur.

The "It could have been you," scenario.

004

[zencat]

Originally posted by ray t
there are so many things that have been said on this page of the thread that i'd like to put my two cents in...

bond is the man who took her virginity; the world is her's to explore; she's already proven to be the opportunist (deceptively switching back sides at the airport when the white knight looks as if he's miserably failed); he was only her first; shes now an experienced woman; there's  more lovers to come....

A great post, rat t. You deserve a response, but I have a hangover this morning that could kill a horse. (Never mix Mai Tais and a Pakistani girl.) I like that you brought up the airport scene but...ouch, my head...

[zencat]

Okay, better now. And I apologize for the above post. I don't think people come to CBN to hear about my hangovers. Time to get back to business of Bond.

The airport scene. You hit something here ray t. The airport scene does reveal a side of Solitaire that we hadn't seen (and won't see again). It's shows she's a very crafty girl, able to think on her feet. Or, as you said, does this scene reveal her to be an opportunist? Is she acting here, or really switching sides to save her skin? I think she is helping Bond...but her anger is very convincing. She

[ray t]

Zencat: was the pakistani girl from Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi or Islamabad? She obviously isnt a strict moslim chic, going on a bender of mai tais and all...

as i said, the foundations of her entire world/belief system crashed the moment she lied to kananga at that remote reading on her hill top home in san monique.

she lost her innocence after a moment's hessitation...the cards, however, did not lie to her: bond and her were destined to be lovers.

bond deceptively stacking the deck mearly was an act of check-mate...solitaire already knew the answer by then. solitaire was changed forever then

and yea, she's no longer a so-called innocent girl by the time bond's captured at the airport.

as for whether she's saving her own skin or helping bond? well i just think she analysed the situation and opted for self-preservation. and quickly at that!!!

ho hum;)

[zencat]

Originally posted by ray t
Zencat: was the pakistani girl from Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi or Islamabad?

Burbank.

[ray t]

Originally posted by zencat

Burbank.

ya didnt have her on the casting couch, did ya?

[zencat]

Doh!

Now you stop that, ray t. I'm trying to keep this thread on topic.

But maybe we've ravaged poor Solitaire enough. Did Bond use Solitaire, or did Solitaire use Bond? I've decided I have no opinion about what went on in that voodoo bedroom. Like my hero Robert Evans says, "Show me a man who says he understands women and I'll show you a fool."

[Bryce (003)]

Again with the Bob Evans nod.....

Pakinstani eh...

Good man;)

[Kara Milovy]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
i think bond tricked her bad but i also know that it would have happened anyway, he just sped up the process, cant call him a scamp for that

Insightful stuff. Thanks for pointing out the folder. It is clear Solitaire is enjoying herself, and chooses to be with Bond, although she is a passive agent throughout the story, going from being Kananga's chattel to Bond's. One could argue that psychologically, she'd never learned to make independent choices, having been raised to this enslavement, why should she think ill of Bond for behaving in the way she's always seen men behave. OTOH, Bond had no way of knowing that.

I will therefore agree that Solitaire herself chose Bond freely and wasn't raped. But it's sleazy on Bond's part. Solitaire wanted him, fine. That doesn't excuse Bond for tricking a woman in order to get her to bed. Especially in Moore's first movie, it is jarring to go from a man who aggressively persues women (arguably too aggressively) to one who deceives them.

[Xenobia]

Everyone goes back to that deck of cards. Let's not forget Solitare did her own tricking...of Kanaga for example, and of Bond too. He might not have gotten what that card meant, and Rosie could have gotten him.

I'd say all's fair in love and spying.

-- Xenobia

[ray t]

Originally posted by Xenobia
Everyone goes back to that deck of cards. Let's not forget Solitare did her own tricking...of Kanaga for example, and of Bond too. He might not have gotten what that card meant, and Rosie could have gotten him.

I'd say all's fair in love and spying.

-- Xenobia

in love and hate...

you know, bond is the most 'hatefull' lover in movie history. he knows that many of the women he beds are bad...so so bad that he wouldnt mind killing them himself...it seems as if he has this perverse sadistic psyco-sexual orientation...witness:

miss taro
tatania romanova (after kerim's death)
bonita (turning her around so she gets slugged by capungo's club)
fiona volpe'
helga brandt
rosie carver
andrea anders
felicca (he never slept with her...hell, he didnt have time! but he doesnt mind letting her have sandor's bullit)
fatima blush (one good "blow" deserves another ;-))
may day
xenia onnatop (didnt sleep with her either...but im sure he would have)
electra king
miranda frost (he doest kill her...but should have as pay back for betrayal)

[zencat]

Originally posted by ray t
...he knows that many of the women he beds are bad...so so bad that he wouldnt mind killing them himself...it seems as if he has this perverse sadistic psyco-sexual orientation...

Is there any other way?

But, seriously, I think Bond's taste for sadistic sexual encounters comes from Fleming who was well-known to have that particular orientation (as did his wife).

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by ray t
in love and hate...

you know, bond is the most 'hatefull' lover in movie history. he knows that many of the women he beds are bad...so so bad that he wouldnt mind killing them himself...it seems as if he has this perverse sadistic psyco-sexual orientation...witness:

miss taro
tatania romanova (after kerim's death)
bonita (turning her around so she gets slugged by capungo's club)

That's Sean's Bond -- a classy, sometimes sadistic thug. No pretense at anything else.

[ray t]

Originally posted by zencat

Is there any other way?

well...i have my own perverse psycho-sexual orientations (since being separated i've been told i'm ..........by one, while another told her shrink that she had felt like a 'conquered sexual object, not a person' .....oops)..but not to the extent of out-right sadism and threatened violence

ahh...such good fun...just chalking it down to being on the rebound (from marriage)

had to edit some stuff. sorry

[ray t]

Originally posted by Jaelle


That's Sean's Bond -- a classy, sometimes sadistic thug. No pretense at anything else.

keep reading...there's enough of roger and pierce in there as well

[Kara Milovy]

Originally posted by ray t

xenia onnatop (didnt sleep with her either...but im sure he would have)

Oh, I don't think so. Bond likes to hurt women, and likes to hate them, but he doesn't like to be hurt by them. The minute she drew blood (when kissing) he was turned off. Bond likes to be on top.

[zencat]

Originally posted by Kara Milovy
Oh, I don't think so. Bond likes to hurt women, and likes to hate them, but he doesn't like to be hurt by them. The minute she drew blood (when kissing) he was turned off. Bond likes to be on top.

Yes. Agreed. It was getting a little to weird in that steam room, even for Bond. She crossed the line that separates kinky from psycho (and there was something sort of cool about how fast Bond turned off.)

[ray t]

Originally posted by zencat

Yes. Agreed. It was getting a little to weird in that steam room, even for Bond. She crossed the line that separates kinky from psycho (and there was something sort of cool about how fast Bond turned off.)

was it sexual turn off....or physical self-preservation...i thought the latter

[zencat]

I think it was both. Well, no...I read it as more of a turn-off. I saw his reaching for his gun as the first step in getting re-dressed. But you can certainly look at it both ways.

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by ray t
keep reading...there's enough of roger and pierce in there as well

Maybe Roger, but not -- imo-- Pierce.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by ray t


was it sexual turn off....or physical self-preservation...i thought the latter

For once ray t and I are in agreement.

[ray t]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


For once ray t and I are in agreement.

*WARM FUZZY FEELING IN MY TUMMY*

just for you d'snow...i'll belatedly throw in fatima blush in my list up above

talk about a good 'blowing':D

[Xenobia]

Originally posted by ray t


in love and hate...

you know, bond is the most 'hatefull' lover in movie history. he knows that many of the women he beds are bad...so so bad that he wouldnt mind killing them himself...it seems as if he has this perverse sadistic psyco-sexual orientation...witness:

miss taro
tatania romanova (after kerim's death)
bonita (turning her around so she gets slugged by capungo's club)
fiona volpe'
helga brandt
rosie carver
andrea anders
felicca (he never slept with her...hell, he didnt have time! but he doesnt mind letting her have sandor's bullit)
fatima blush (one good "blow" deserves another ;-))
may day
xenia onnatop (didnt sleep with her either...but im sure he would have)
electra king
miranda frost (he doest kill her...but should have as pay back for betrayal)

Bond often refers to himself as a blunt instrument, and sometimes that instrument is used to make some very interesting music.

I don't think Bond's bedroom moments with these women show any sort of "perverse sadistic psyco-sexual orientation." On the contrary, he is going by one of the oldest cliches in the book -- fighting fire with fire.

Each of these women tried, in some way, to seduce him first. All he did was play a long and pass the time (as Elektra accuses him of doing), until he could get the information that he needed from them.

Nothing wrong with that in my book. Everyone there knew the rules, it's not Bond fault if he followed them better than the ladies did.

-- Xenobia

[Willowhugger]

I tend to view the matter pragmatically. Solitaire's situation sucked and anything that would change her world for the better would be painful and difficult. Plenty of people aren't worldly sophisticates in the world as well but someone has to change them as well.

[moorebond82]

Please! He did her a favor.