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[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

At the time of Daltons announcement in 1986 the Bond producers proclaimed to the world that Dalton had always been their top choice to take on the role of 007 (a claim we now know to be completely false) and that he had been asked to take on the role in 1968 (a claim which we also now know to be dubious at best).  

As I've always understood it, Cubby and co. first approached Dalton for THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS. Only when Dalton became unavailable (due to BRENDA STARR or something) did they start looking at Brosnan. Brosnan got the part, but when the "Remington Steele" people refused to let him go, it turned out that Dalton was able to play Bond after all.

As for the claim that Dalton was offered Bond in 1968, isn't that a claim from Dalton's own mouth, recorded in an interview that's on the TLD DVD? I think it's far more than some kind of urban myth put about by "Daltonites".

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

I think "Moonraker"  is the antithesis of LTK, a better actor (Moore) and a more Bondian script. Let's face it who out there today other than a few Bond fans, have read Fleming??  

Don't you mean "a more juvenile script"? It's "Bondian" if your idea of the Bond universe is J.W. Pepper, Nick Nack and Jaws, otherwise it's just, well, pretty naff, no?

And just because Fleming isn't flying out of bookshops, does that mean that Fleming's Bond is A Bad Thing?

As for Moore being a better actor than Dalton, are you serious?

[Genrewriter]

I think it's rather unfair to compare those two actors since their styles are so different. While both are classically trained Shakespearean actors, (Moore was in Henry V with Lois Maxwell at one point), Moore tends to take a lighter approach whereas Dalton opts for a more intense, realistic style. I think one could compare Dalton with Connery since both take a more serious tone in their work but to compare Dalton with Moore seems a bit like apples and oranges to me.

[goldengun]

Timothy Dalton was on the Arsenio Hall show once, and it was there he announced that he was first offered the role in the 1970's (I would imagine after DAF).

Now when he said this, I thought how young were you then, Arsenio asked the same question and Timothy said he was too young and didn't think that anyone could top Sean at the time. This was aired in the late 80's

I was really sad when Roger left, to be Bond for 12 years was such good dedication on his part.

I always remember how John Glen said that he didn't get along with Timothy, since good Tim wanted to portray Bond as walking around with his hands in his pockets, like some sort of regular detective.

TLD and LTK are extreme low points in this excellent movie series.

I think we can agree that the Connery/Moore era was the best - and always will be.

[Ed King]

- Denise Richards as Christmas Jones was the Stacey Sutton of the Brosnan era (but without the knock-out looks, sorry Finesse).

I agree. Christmas Jones is the worse bondgirl ever, even worse than Stacey Sutton. On the other hand, Elektra is one of the best (the best, IMO)

- A lackluster screenplay with more twists and turns than a pretzel, none of which were interesting or particularly well explained.

I really like the "twists and turns" of TWINE.

- The worst finale of any Bond movie....who really cared.

I agree... Bond kills Elektra. This is the end of the movie to me, after this it gets kinda boring.

- "I thought Christmas only came once a year" -- the whole theater groaned, no one laughed or even chuckled.

I don't like this one either... but c'mon, there's bad quotes is every Bond movie, like... YOUR MOMMA!

- Elektra as a villain was telegraphed way too early.

Just like Trevelyan, Kristatos, Miranda Frost...

- They used another flipping gadget car. Prior to Brosnan we had gadget cars in 1964, 1965, 1977 and 1987. They used to be special now they are commonplace marketing which ever newest vehicle of the company that dished out the most dough.

Yeah, but TWINE's car is much better than DAD's invisible car.

TWINE has many good and bad things...
-A nice villain, but a silly henchman.
-A nice bondgirl and a useless one.
-The best pre-title, but the worst ending.

I don't like writing long posts... when I do, it becomes kinda obvious that my English sucks... I hope I made myself clear, I did my best.

And... what's a Nancy boy?

[Loomis]

Originally posted by goldengun

I was really sad when Roger left, to be Bond for 12 years was such good dedication on his part.

Wasn't it just dedication to earning large sums of money?

Sorry.

[goldengun]

Originally posted by Loomis


Wasn't it just dedication to earning large sums of money?

Sorry.

I suppose so, but didn't Roger deserve the money? After all - his movies alone raked in so much cash for the franchise, MR alone was a huge cash machine.

If he made money for the film studio, then he deserves money.

I have been going through some of the earlier posts in this thread, I agree, Brosnan does not do a whole lot of publicity as compared to Moore. I saw more interviews from Jinx for DAD than Bronsan.

I believe holds a record for the most interviews given for a movie, over 350 for Octopussy alone. OUTSTANDING!

Still love the title of that film.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by goldengun

I suppose so, but didn't Roger deserve the money?  After all - his movies alone raked in so much cash for the franchise, MR alone was a huge cash machine.  

If he made money for the film studio, then he deserves money.  

True. You're quite right, goldengun. I was just having a little swipe at Moore, which is something I tend to do whenever pro-Moore posters take potshots at Dalton (not that I'm saying that was what you were doing). Similarly, I usually go into Brosnan-bashing mode if one of his fans starts rubbishing THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and LICENCE TO KILL. It's a knee-jerk reaction.

I love Moore's Bond and Dalton's Bond, equally.

Originally posted by Ed King

what's a Nancy boy?

It's a British term for a homosexual.

[Tarl_Cabot]

The score is great, the song is a top 3 and I love Drax. What I think is really cheesy about it?

-The gandola on wheels is embarrasing
-yep, the pigeon
-Jaws becoming nice
-The fact that Bond is in Rio and it just so happens to be during Carnival (only 3 days a year!)
-The Iquacu falls and Mayan temples located a few hundred yards from eachother
-The non Bond music while Roger is in Goucho gear
-Laser guns
-Bond in outer space!

[Tarl_Cabot]

"TLD and LTK are extreme low points in this excellent movie series."

Maybe for you but for real fans of fleming, spy films and action films those two films were great. The TLD was a great Bond film, a spy story and a great intro to a Bond who kicks Roger's *** anyday. LTK was an action Bond and not so much a spy film. I like it more than any of the PB films.

DAD and Twine are consecutive duds. I think Pierce has had the worst era of any actor in the role...

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by goldengun
Timothy Dalton was on the Arsenio Hall show once, and it was there he announced that he was first offered the role in the 1970's (I would imagine after DAF).
 
Now when he said this, I thought how young were you then, Arsenio asked the same question and Timothy said he was too young and didn't think that anyone could top Sean at the time.  This was aired in the late 80's

Dalton made the claim on the "Wogan" show on BBC1 in 1989 while he was promoting LTK. He said that he was offered the role in 1968 but turned down the role because he felt he was too young and didn't think anyone could follow Connery.
Now that assertion seems like some type of marketing ploy to deflect attention from the fact that Sam Neill and Pierce Brosnan were considered for TLD before Dalton was approached (although admittedly Cubby vetoed the Neill idea).
Everything that has come out (about the casting machinations that went on between 1967 and 1973) in the intervening years )ie since 1989) contradicts Daltons assertion if not revealing it to be a lie.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by goldengun

TLD and LTK are extreme low points in this excellent movie series.

Yes they are bad, but TWINE was certainly worse.

[Matt007]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot
"TLD and LTK are extreme low points in this excellent movie series."

Maybe for you but for real fans of fleming, spy films and action films those two films were great. The TLD was a great Bond film, a spy story and a great intro to a Bond who kicks Roger's *** anyday. LTK was an action Bond and not so much a spy film. I like it more than any of the PB films.  

DAD and Twine are consecutive duds. I think Pierce has had the worst era of any actor in the role...

I personally liked LTK I never really liked TLD but I though Dalton was better than Roger. Roger was way to corney and made bond look like a joke imo. Dalton brough back the seriousness and maybe a little over the top but it was needed as roger really made it hokey.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Matt007


I personally liked LTK I never really liked TLD but I though Dalton was better than Roger. Roger was way to corney and made bond look like a joke imo. Dalton brough back the seriousness and maybe a little over the top but it was needed as roger really made it hokey.

Roger is on record as saying that he based his character on a line Fleming had written in the Bond novels - that he (the character) had killed before, but didn't much like it.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

Dalton made the claim on the "Wogan" show on BBC1 in 1989 while he was promoting LTK. He said that he was offered the role in 1968 but turned down the role because he felt he was too young and didn't think anyone could follow Connery.  
Now that assertion seems like some type of marketing ploy to deflect attention from the fact that Sam Neill and Pierce Brosnan were considered for TLD before Dalton was approached (although admittedly Cubby vetoed the Neill idea).  
Everything that has come out (about the casting machinations that went on between 1967 and 1973) in the intervening years )ie since 1989) contradicts Daltons assertion if not revealing it to be a lie.  

I find it difficult to believe that Dalton lied. It doesn't chime with his displays of good grace towards his successor, Brosnan. Don't forget that Dalton is widely believed to have been sacked from the Bond role, and yet he has never washed his dirty linen in public. I'm not going to entertain the idea that he lied about being considered for Bond at a young age until someone makes a convincing case, citing numerous sources. Otherwise, a statement like "Dalton was a liar" is nothing more than gossip and hearsay.

Brosnan and Sam Neill may or may not have been considered for TLD before Dalton, although I strongly believe that Dalton was in the frame before Brosnan. However, Cubby and co. were looking at Dalton as a potential 007 long before they started to consider Brosnan.

DLibrasnow, are you sorry that the series didn't end with A VIEW TO A KILL?

[Turn]

I too have heard the back-and-forth things about when Dalton was first considered for the role. I have trouble believing he would have flat-out lied about it. What would he have gained by that?

I really doubt he was considered in '68 since that was when he made his debut in The Lion in Winter. Maybe Cubby or Saltzman saw him in that and said he may make a good Bond someday, but maybe not more than that. Cubby especially had a habit of making mental notes about actors he thought would make a contribution to the series. After Connery left in '71 maybe or even after Lazenby.

[Ed King]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


Yes they are bad, but TWINE was certainly worse.

DAD is worse.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Turn
I too have heard the back-and-forth things about when Dalton was first considered for the role. I have trouble believing he would have flat-out lied about it. What would he have gained by that?

I really doubt he was considered in '68 since that was when he made his debut in The Lion in Winter. Maybe Cubby or Saltzman saw him in that and said he may make a good Bond someday, but maybe not more than that. Cubby especially had a habit of making mental notes about actors he thought would make a contribution to the series. After Connery left in '71 maybe or even after Lazenby.

No the Dalton claim is certainly 1968 because he also mentioned at the time that he made the right choice because the eventual Bond George Lazenby was a one-time only 007.
What did he gain from it? Well thats quite simple. At the time there was much gossip that Dalton was the second (or even third choice) for Bond (after Brosnan). The producers (and possibly Dalton too) were anxious to deflect attention from this and even made the claim that Brosnan had not been considered for the role AT ALL. Sp who do we believe Dalton/Cubby or Brosnan??