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[Shrublands]

'You ain’t seen nothing yet'

 

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[S K Y F A L L]

Bond 24 comments already! Thanks for posting everyone. 

 

Guess this means we haven't seen the last of the throwbacks and homages.

 

I wonder how much of the script was written when they completed SF. 

 

“You ain’t seen nothing yet!” Loving the confidence here.

[dirtymind]

I like "resonances", it makes me think of Sylvia Trench showing up at the beginning of FRWL, or Bond laying flowers at Tracy's grave in FYEO. "Homages", on the other hand, are not my cup of  tea. They remind me of DAD, and that's obviously not a good thing.

Edited by dirtymind, 05 March 2014 - 04:09 PM.

[RMc2]

Beat me to it, Shrublands!

 

I assumed they were well past the first draft stage! And the 'no comment' responses allow plenty of room to keep speculating

 

Not sure I like the idea of them actively seeking out homages and references to make - those things should come naturally.

[0024]

Just read this.  Sounds great to me!  Hopefully it's a continuation of themes, and not an outright continuation of the story.  

 

I wouldn't mind seeing SPECTRE reinterpreted for the 21st century, but I'm also not pining for it.  One of the great pleasures of Skyfall was the psychologically complex Silva, and the intracicies of the relationships between the characters.

 

The game, Mrs. Hudson, is on!

[Walecs]

I as well don't mind seeing SPECTRE, but that's not something I'm really hoping for.

 

On the other hand, I want to see Quantum again.

[0024]

I as well don't mind seeing SPECTRE, but that's not something I'm really hoping for.

 

On the other hand, I want to see Quantum again.

 

I'd like them to bring back Quantum solely to tie up that loose end, and put the nail in Mr. White's coffin.  

 

What if then Quantum turns out to be a precursor to SPECTRE?  Picture that nice-looking Quantum font 'Q' with the Octopus symbol inside of it.

[S K Y F A L L]

I'd be fine with Quantum being a subsidiary of Specter but when Logan says "no comment", it really means nothing IMO. If he said no Specter isn't in Bond 24 it would take some of the wind out of the free publicity. Since they are always asking that question. 

[The Shark]

'You ain’t seen nothing yet'

 

Alain Resnais's second-to-last film. Great movie.

[Colossus]

I'm pleased to see that it will be bigger than Skyfall and return more to a Brosnan-type. We need this one.

[sharpshooter]

Continues the themes of Skyfall - the young man's game thing?

Characters playing out - Seeing Moneypenny, M and Q established in their new roles, perhaps

 

We can't read into anything from his comments about Quantum or SPECTRE returning.

Moments like the DB5 reveal in Bond 25. I'm thinking along the lines of the short M scene at the end of Skyfall. Moments like those.

 

"You aint seen nothing yet" does increase my expectations.

[Vauxhall]

Plenty of cause for optimism and excitement there. Logan stills sounds extremely enthusiastic about the project, which can only be good news for us. Great stuff.

[tdalton]

Logan's enthusiasm is good to hear, but not something that we should really read anything into.  He's not going to come out and be unenthusiastic about the project in a public forum.  

 

Hopefully now that he's working on his own, he'll be able to formulate a plot that doesn't entirely hinge on unlikely coincidences and a multitude of random people being in precisely the right place at the right time or messing something up at the exact right time.  I just hope that the film doesn't go bigger just for the sake of doing so, which would risk it venturing into Brosnan Era territory.  I hope that he's just setting out to tell a good story, that's first and foremost the most important thing that they need to accomplish with Bond 24.

[FlemingBond]

He did a good job on Skyfall and I'm glad to see he is so enthusiastic.

as for SPECTRE ever returning, I might have been interested in that during the Brosnan era, but now that the series has been rebooted, to bring them back and basically retell the old stories, or reinterpret them, I think Is just a bad idea.

As for Quantum, obvisously remnants of them are out there...

[0024]

You're right, tdalton. This is not much more than saying everything is status quo.

I know the Blofeld question is going to come up soon, too. I hope they don't go that route yet. I fear it might be disastrous, but I've been wrong before.

[tdalton]

You're right, tdalton. This is not much more than saying everything is status quo.

I know the Blofeld question is going to come up soon, too. I hope they don't go that route yet. I fear it might be disastrous, but I've been wrong before.

 

I'm with you on Blofeld.  I want to see Craig's Bond get his own arch nemesis to go up against, rather than revisiting one that other Bonds have already dealt with.  With the possible exception of revisiting Tracy and the idea of Bond being married and then losing his wife (the only reason I'd be in favor of revisiting this is so that it could lead to a faithful adaptation of You Only Live Twice), I think EON should be looking to create brand new material rather than revisiting things that have already been done before.  

[SecretAgentFan]

I could imagine them only using Blofeld as a character and SPECTRE / QUANTUM as his organization.  I would be okay with that since the Craig era has cut any ties to previous missions (despite some winks at details).

[thecasinoroyale]

The notion that 'Bond 24' is moving forward so strongly, and that there seems to be so much "fodder" left to use, relate to and enhance into future stories excites me more than anything.

 

The longevity of 007 and what I hope for the future is exciting, and Logan has sold it to me that they are at their strongest position in nearly 50 years, and I simply can't wait for future developments.

 

The world is Bond's oyster I think at this stage and I for one am very excited....!

 

 

[Turn]

It's interesting they had enough confidence in Logan to allow him to develop two movies ahead while he was doing SF. Of course, we don't know if these were just random ideas, but he sounds like he has continuity in mind.

 

Eon never really did this before, except in the very early days when they had Fleming stories to work with. Otherwise it's just a new idea every time out with some of the writers basically hired hands to be overruled at will. Which, of course, is standard practice in movies, but especially in previous years it was scripts by committee. Logan seems to have more of a free hand.

 

But I do have to wonder if some of this is merely the new M, Q and Moneypenny established or developed more. If that's the big continuation then that's a disappointment already. They should be supporting characters interesting enough for us to want to want to see but not necessarily involved in subplots or a major part of the action. We had that already in SF. I don't want to see Moneypenny toting a gun in the field or being Lois Maxwell behind the desk. I wouldn't mind seeing Ralph Fiennes' M being a little more involved but not being threatened or on the run.

[Agent 76]

He certainly seems confident about the process of writing these stories, and that is a really good thing. I really liked SkyFall, so I'm sure he'll give us another good story.

[SecretAgentFan]

It's interesting they had enough confidence in Logan to allow him to develop two movies ahead while he was doing SF. Of course, we don't know if these were just random ideas, but he sounds like he has continuity in mind.

 

Did he confirm that?  I thought that rumor was quickly debunked.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm calling it now that Quantum will be established as SPECTRE or something along those lines. Since EON now own the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, it's so good of an opportunity to really miss. I'm a bit unclear as to the circumstances regarding the whole McClory affair? Did EON actively fight to get them or were they just signed over? It all came a bit out of the blue. 

[SecretAgentFan]

I'm calling it now that Quantum will be established as SPECTRE or something along those lines. Since EON now own the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, it's so good of an opportunity to really miss. I'm a bit unclear as to the circumstances regarding the whole McClory affair? Did EON actively fight to get them or were they just signed over? It all came a bit out of the blue. 

 

I´m not sure but I guess it was mainly a question of money in the end.

 

By the way, welcome back, DamnCoffee!  Nice to read you again!

[DamnCoffee]

Thank you! I've been a bit busy lately, but Bond excitement is inevitable and subsequently I'm always drawn back! 

Edited by DamnCoffee, 06 March 2014 - 05:43 PM.

[Shrublands]

 

It's interesting they had enough confidence in Logan to allow him to develop two movies ahead while he was doing SF. Of course, we don't know if these were just random ideas, but he sounds like he has continuity in mind.

 

Did he confirm that?  I thought that rumor was quickly debunked.

 

 

Mike Fleming at Deadline (very reliable) said that Logan had pitched a two film idea whilst they were making Skyfall and then speculated that they could film them back-to-back, but stressed that that was only speculation on his part.

 

As far as i know, it was only the back-to-back filming that was ever debunked. In fact, the news that Logan was indeed writing the next two films was confirmed during one of the MGM conference calls with the various investors.

[RMc2]

 

 

It's interesting they had enough confidence in Logan to allow him to develop two movies ahead while he was doing SF. Of course, we don't know if these were just random ideas, but he sounds like he has continuity in mind.

 

Did he confirm that?  I thought that rumor was quickly debunked.

 

 

Mike Fleming at Deadline (very reliable) said that Logan had pitched a two film idea whilst they were making Skyfall and then speculated that they could film them back-to-back, but stressed that that was only speculation on his part.

 

As far as i know, it was only the back-to-back filming that was ever debunked. In fact, the news that Logan was indeed writing the next two films was confirmed during one of the MGM conference calls with the various investors.

 

 

Yeah, I recall Logan being confirmed for the next two films, but any and all mentions of it being a two-parter or filmed back-to-back were quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan.

 

Also, Mendes is only confirmed for Bond 24 - it seems a bit odd to sign him on for just Part 1. Then again, given how stubbornly difficult he is to pin down, they may be holding out to get him for Bond 25 too. I also wouldn't be surprised if the whole two-parter business is being talked down to build up hype for Bond 24.

 

Still, it's early days.

[Shrublands]

 

 

Yeah, I recall Logan being confirmed for the next two films, but any and all mentions of it being a two-parter or filmed back-to-back were quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan.

 

 

 

I only know about the back-to-back filming being shot down (never really a sensible suggestion anyway) but it being an idea that plays out over two films has not been "quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan" as far as i know. If you have a link, can you please provide it?

[RMc2]

 

 

 

Yeah, I recall Logan being confirmed for the next two films, but any and all mentions of it being a two-parter or filmed back-to-back were quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan.

 

 

 

I only know about the back-to-back filming being shot down (never really a sensible suggestion anyway) but it being an idea that plays out over two films has not been "quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan" as far as i know. If you have a link, can you please provide it?

 

 

Sure!

 

Here's Craig's denial:

http://www.digitalsp...two-parter.html

 

Obviously, he's just an actor...

 

I can't find the article with Logan and Michael G. Wilson's comments, but sometime around March (?) last year they supported Craig's denial - but of course, they were less explicit about their intentions, and you could interpret it as they've just dismissed the idea of back-to-back filming.

[Colossus]

 

 

The longevity of 007 and what I hope for the future is exciting, and Logan has sold it to me that they are at their strongest position in nearly 50 years

 

 

 

Well i dunno about that, i mean they have been saying this for each Bond, it's like tradition to pimp it out… $$$!

[Shrublands]

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I recall Logan being confirmed for the next two films, but any and all mentions of it being a two-parter or filmed back-to-back were quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan.

 

 

 

I only know about the back-to-back filming being shot down (never really a sensible suggestion anyway) but it being an idea that plays out over two films has not been "quickly and firmly shot down by EON, Craig and Logan" as far as i know. If you have a link, can you please provide it?

 

 

Sure!

 

Here's Craig's denial:

http://www.digitalsp...two-parter.html

 

Obviously, he's just an actor...

 

I can't find the article with Logan and Michael G. Wilson's comments, but sometime around March (?) last year they supported Craig's denial - but of course, they were less explicit about their intentions, and you could interpret it as they've just dismissed the idea of back-to-back filming.

 

 

Thanks. I do tend to interpret it as a dismissal of back-to-bak filming, but I take your point that it also reads as a dismissal of the two film idea. And I can't help remembering the times they dismissed the Eve Monypenny story. If they have a secret, they will be ambiguous, as always.

 

 Mike Fleming at Deadline was the first person anywhere to reveal that Bardem had been approached to appear in Skyfall, along with a lot of other accurate inside information.

 

He was also first with the story that Logan would be writing the next two films, which has subsequently also proven true. At the time, he said that his source had told him that it was a two film idea that Logan had pitched during the making of Skyfall. At this stage, I see no reason to doubt Mike Fleming or his sources.

 

The question for me is - what idea could warrant 2 films?

 

The bringing down of Quantum perhaps? I’d say we’ve seen the last of them. Now they have reintroduced Q (complete with his Q Scrabble mug) an organisation that featured most prominently in a film that the makers would rather draw a vial over seems unlikely, especially since they have a Q as their emblem. Wouldn’t it all be a bit confusing to a general audience who have forgotten all about Quantum the dastardly criminal gang?

 

I’d speculate, that it all revolves around a re-booted Blofeld, SPECTRE and possibly Tracy too. Mendes has talked about the Bond of the later books and his psychological state. Logan has talked about the books being a big influence on the new script.

 

I really can see this all building to something of an adaptation of Fleming’s YOLT for Bond 25, especially now that Blofeld and SPECTRE are in the hands of Eon and MGM.

 

So, if I were a betting man, I’d put my money on this being a two film story concerning the rise and fall of Blofeld and SPECTRE with it’s emotional impact on Bond, most probably because of the death of Tracy along the way. Now if any or all of that were the case, they'd want to keep it undercover.