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It Seems Like There's More QoS Fans than I thought Before


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#31 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:45 AM

Absolutely.  But I do believe that EON will use Quantum at some time again, maybe even in BOND 24.  Didn´t Wilson even hint at having Quantum set up to use it later on?  Or was it Craig himself?



#32 tdalton

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:05 PM

Absolutely.  But I do believe that EON will use Quantum at some time again, maybe even in BOND 24.  Didn´t Wilson even hint at having Quantum set up to use it later on?  Or was it Craig himself?

 

They very well may go back to Quantum, but its impact will be massively diminished due to the seven year layoff between the organization's appearances.  In terms of the "realistic" (at least by Bond standards) spy world that they're trying to build with the Craig films, Quantum should have already been dealt with.  Hopefully there's some kind of hook that they can use to realistically pull them back into the fold, should they ever decide to revisit the organization.



#33 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:13 PM

Maybe it will really be reborn as SPECTRE, now that the rights are owned by EON.

 

Regarding the recent interview with Logan (in which he basically does not say anything at all) I could imagine all the talk about BOND 24 building on SKYFALL really hint at the burned agents who hate M (and the bad internet security of MI6) and therefore turn into bad guys, possibly finding a home within QUANTUM or its new incarnation.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:21 PM

Personnaly, QoS became better when SF was released. Deception of the latter made me more charitable with the former.



#35 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:13 PM

Maybe it will really be reborn as SPECTRE, now that the rights are owned by EON.

I've been selling this idea here for sometime - who knows, it may actually happen. 

 

QUANTUM and SPECTRE each have 7 words, so i can see that working well in the credits graphics ;-)



#36 tdalton

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

Maybe it will really be reborn as SPECTRE, now that the rights are owned by EON.

 

Regarding the recent interview with Logan (in which he basically does not say anything at all) I could imagine all the talk about BOND 24 building on SKYFALL really hint at the burned agents who hate M (and the bad internet security of MI6) and therefore turn into bad guys, possibly finding a home within QUANTUM or its new incarnation.

 

Sadly, I do think that we'll see them reborn as SPECTRE, with it being some kind of "clever" twist at the end.  

 

Part of me really likes the idea of having the burned NATO agents joining up with Quantum/SPECTRE.  If we hadn't had a run of nearly 30 years of nothing but personal vendetta films, I'd be all for the idea. Still, I'd be surprised if EON would want to go for that kind of moral ambiguity with any of their films.  Just based on the premise alone (i.e. not knowing what the actual villainous scheme is), the NATO agents would be in a position to garner almost as much, if not more, sympathy than MI6 and Bond himself.  That's a concept that I've already pushed for seeing in a future Bond film, albeit I'd rather have it in a totally original story as opposed to a straight-up sequel to Skyfall.   



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 02:16 AM

The Craig films are not 'realistic' but they do aim for aspects of it. I'm not calling for a hollowed out volcano base, but people had to suspend their disbelief at such constructions and the moving of resources. I think time could actually be kind to Quantum. After QoS they lie low and stay out of sight. Regroup and formulate a new strategy. Which could be the grand scale plot of Bond 25.



#38 tdalton

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 03:40 AM

I think that the best bet for a Quantum resurgence would be to retroactively somehow link them to the global financial meltdown of 2007-2008.  Given the catastrophic effects of the financial crisis, that might be able to give some cover to the idea that Quantum could simply lay low and watch the mayhem unfold.  Now that things are beginning to trend up again (at least for some nations), Quantum could re-emerge and begin trying to disrupt the balance of power elsewhere with their usual methods.  Maybe even link them in some way to Silva, who they could have quietly aided when they found out he wanted to go after M.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:05 AM

I think that the best bet for a Quantum resurgence would be to retroactively somehow link them to the global financial meltdown of 2007-2008.  Given the catastrophic effects of the financial crisis, that might be able to give some cover to the idea that Quantum could simply lay low and watch the mayhem unfold.  Now that things are beginning to trend up again (at least for some nations), Quantum could re-emerge and begin trying to disrupt the balance of power elsewhere with their usual methods.  Maybe even link them in some way to Silva, who they could have quietly aided when they found out he wanted to go after M.

Clever thinking, I like it.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 09:38 AM

I think that the best bet for a Quantum resurgence would be to retroactively somehow link them to the global financial meltdown of 2007-2008.  Given the catastrophic effects of the financial crisis, that might be able to give some cover to the idea that Quantum could simply lay low and watch the mayhem unfold.  Now that things are beginning to trend up again (at least for some nations), Quantum could re-emerge and begin trying to disrupt the balance of power elsewhere with their usual methods.  Maybe even link them in some way to Silva, who they could have quietly aided when they found out he wanted to go after M.

Marvellous idea to link them to the 'melt-down'.

 

I think that i'f they caused it, then now that things are picking up (apparently), how they reemerge should be part of that long view plan falling into place. They brushed aside the obstacles with the melt-down and now offer help for power, taking key positions in governments and banking (not unlike the IMF's globalism strategy to break small economies, then offer help with loans - an economic coup - as i believe happened in Jamaica).

 

Point is that it's a great idea, but the story needs to find them now in a position of power, playing their end game, so that, of course, Bond can step in and save the day.


Edited by Odd Jobbies, 06 March 2014 - 09:41 AM.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 06:08 PM

I think that the best bet for a Quantum resurgence would be to retroactively somehow link them to the global financial meltdown of 2007-2008.  Given the catastrophic effects of the financial crisis, that might be able to give some cover to the idea that Quantum could simply lay low and watch the mayhem unfold.  Now that things are beginning to trend up again (at least for some nations), Quantum could re-emerge and begin trying to disrupt the balance of power elsewhere with their usual methods.  Maybe even link them in some way to Silva, who they could have quietly aided when they found out he wanted to go after M.

 

Truly great idea, tdalton!



#42 tdalton

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 06:15 PM

 

I think that the best bet for a Quantum resurgence would be to retroactively somehow link them to the global financial meltdown of 2007-2008.  Given the catastrophic effects of the financial crisis, that might be able to give some cover to the idea that Quantum could simply lay low and watch the mayhem unfold.  Now that things are beginning to trend up again (at least for some nations), Quantum could re-emerge and begin trying to disrupt the balance of power elsewhere with their usual methods.  Maybe even link them in some way to Silva, who they could have quietly aided when they found out he wanted to go after M.

 

Truly great idea, tdalton!

 

 

Thanks. :)

 

I've been fairly vocal in my desire not to see Quantum return, but that's been based more on the desire to see the Craig films continue to be made with an eye towards a more realistic style than what we've seen before from the films.  I'd love to see EON continue with things that they started in Quantum of Solace, as I still think that it's the strongest of Craig's three films, but only if they can do it in a way that makes sense.



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:46 AM

@Odd Jobbies that was a very nice review. I do remember feeling the muted Opera fight shootout seem slow-motion because of the way Bond and Greene are shown to meet. Such modern artistic cinematography! It's very somber how Bond accepts what happened with Vesper. It's sad she can't be there to help him find solace. I feel that he found solace when Corrine says "thank you" as she leaves Yusef's apartment.
@Odd Jobbies that was a very nice review. I do remember feeling the muted Opera fight shootout seem slow-motion because of the way Bond and Greene are shown to meet. Such modern artistic cinematography! It's very somber how Bond accepts what happened with Vesper. It's sad she can't be there to help him find solace. I feel that he found solace when Corrine says "thank you" as she leaves Yusef's apartment.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 11:26 PM

Look at this reenactment of the last scene: youtu.be/XynG-5kxM_g

 

It shows that there's more people out there who really like QoS.

Of course, it proves that. It shows that there are much more QOS fans out there, as….. two more!!



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 11:48 PM

Sadly, I don't see there being a re-evaluation of Quantum of Solace.  There is just too much vitriol directed toward the film from pretty much every side (critics, regular moviegoers, Bond fans, etc.) for there to be much of a chance of anything like that happening.  Even in threads where Quantum of Solace isn't even a topic, you'll see comments like "well, at least it didn't suck as bad as Quantum of Solace".  I think that's a shame, since I find Quamtum of Solace to be a better film than either of Craig's other two, and the best Bond film in the last two decades, but I doubt it'll ever be recognized as anything more than the black sheep of the Bond franchise when it comes to any kind of a general consensus.

Finally, an honest and reasonable view about QOS popularity from someone that is a fan of this movie.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:09 AM

Apparently there's a couple of different folks on You Tube who've paid tribute to QoS in some way or another. Here's what looks like a higher quality production reenacting one of my most favorite scenes in the series. Please share with your friends. I produced this just recently. All of the folks who you see are professional actors and so is the editor whose You Tube account is being used for this.

I encourage you to pay tribute to your favorite scenes if you find that you can. If you'd like to see me produce more tribute scenes or possibly create an expanded adaptation from this scene to make it more original, please share the link on your social media accounts or email it to anyone who you might find interested. Thanks for your support.

 

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivato1_SZx4


Edited by Jim, 21 March 2014 - 05:59 AM.
Probable copyright violation


#47 Guy Haines

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:42 PM

In the TV series "Spooks" ("MI6" I think it's called in the US) there was a shadowy organisation with the harmless name of "Nightingale" which was plotting war between India and Pakistan - even a nuclear conflagration - for profit. At the time it made me think of "the organisation" or Quantum. It seemed just the sought of plot Quantum, or a 21st century SPECTRE could be involved in. And now, of course, we have that little local difficulty in the Crimea......

 

As for tdalton's idea linking Quantum to the financial meltdown, I like it. After all, an organisation which would hire a financial "wizard" like Le Chiffre to manage terrorists money wouldn't be averse to other acts of financial terrorism itself.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

Such modern artistic cinematography!

Indeed, we've been spoilt for photography in the Craig era, with QoS' fresh feel, after CRs gritty stand out sequences, such as the B&W toilet tussle and - my personal favourite - after the stairwell fight, the hand held scenes in the bathroom, downing the whiskey followed by joining vesper in the shower. And to top it all the magnificence of Roger Deakins. Hopefully B24 will keep the flag flying high.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

Traffic idea TDALTON! Almost to good that I figure it will never happen but with Logan in the drivers seat who knows. It's a brave new world I guess...

 

I don't think there is a need to tie in Silva with Quantum or Spectre though, just do it like they did with FRLW-TB



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:54 PM

Put me in the 'liking QoS' group aswell.  

I do see it's flawed, as the action scenes suffer from the choppy camera.  It entirely ruined the car chase for me which went from potentially one of the best to possibly the worst.  

The film could also have done with an extra 20 mins or so in particular giving us some more time with Dominic Greene and the organisation.  I think a few extra scenes of the consequences of blockading water could be explored more so the plot (which I dont mind) wouldnt get slatted as much.  

And I understand how the plot of the water supply monopolization is underwhelming to some but I quite like it, the idea of governments getting into bed with shady people is quite interesting to me.  

One thing I do hate about the movie is not how Bond dumps Mathis in the dumpster (as he was hiding the body) but how he takes the money out of his wallet.  It actually upsets me a little bit, Bond isnt that much of a prick.  Is he that desperate for money he would take it out of his dead friend's wallet?  Why not take his watch too?? 

I certainly think it's a better movie than Skyfall which left me a little disappointed.  Having said that I haven't been on the forums for about a year and my signature probably would move around a bit.  QoS probably doesnt belong in the top 5 so that would move down a bit and SF has grown on me a little and would move up one or two places.....But I stand by my opinion of both : )



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:21 AM

Agreed it's extremely underrated films. One thing that is certain for me is I love EVERY Bond film even Die Another Day so I can see the qualities of what are good about it but I can also see the bad ones. The bad qualities in QOS I feel were not enough to overpower their good qualities. One thing I love about the Bond films are the settings it takes me to a completely unique place. QOS did that it had a large portion take place in deserty areas. Diamonds Are Forever gave me the same feel more of a local but Vegas feel, Casino Royale gave me the more elegant feel. Sure the film had shaky cams but the story of quantum hiding in the shadows is great and Greene's plan after sometime people will get used to it and it will become a classic.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:22 AM

I love the opening car chase. The rest of the film is okay, I enjoy it but it's ranked pretty low on my overall list.

Also I quite like Another Way to Die. The lyrics are awful but the backing track is really good. I wish they had used the instrumental version in the film instead.



#53 New Digs

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:07 PM

I'm a QOS fan: it's one of my favourite Bonds. The film has so much authenticity, atmosphere and character. I think this is largely to Forster's direction and preference for using real locations, Craig's performance and Arnold's score. I really hope one day we get a directors DVD commentary of the film, which I think would be fascinating and a look at the deleted scenes as well.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:13 PM

I'm a QOS fan: it's one of my favourite Bonds. The film has so much authenticity, atmosphere and character. I think this is largely to Forster's direction and preference for using real locations, Craig's performance and Arnold's score. I really hope one day we get a directors DVD commentary of the film, which I think would be fascinating and a look at the deleted scenes as well.

 

Good to see another Quantum of Solace fan around here.  Welcome.  :)



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Posted 14 May 2014 - 06:14 AM

I too like the opening car chase, also the aircraft battle later on, and the events in Breganz. And the very end when Bond finally confronts Yusuf Kabira. Still not keen on the chase across the Sienna rooftops, but that's about the only bit of QoS that I'm not sold on.

 

The villain's plot - when you think about the way resource prices have gone through the roof recently, with allegations of energy price cartels even here in the UK, it now seems ahead of its time.

 

As for "Another Way To Die" - I'd have liked Alicia Keys on vocals and Jack White on drums. (Anyone notice, by the way, the little bit of the OHMSS theme Jack White manages to sneak into the song towards the end?)



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Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:41 AM

For some reason the aircraft battle in this reminds me of the ending of The Flying Deuces.

Edited by The Krynoid man, 14 May 2014 - 09:42 AM.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:11 PM

For me, there is nothing intrinsically "bad" about QoS...there is just nothing particularly good.

Most Bond films, even the weaker ones, have one or two scenes that stand out. 

I struggle to come up with anything for QoS..



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Posted 15 May 2014 - 09:36 PM

There are plenty of great scenes in Quantum of Solace:

 

  • the entire Tosca sequence
  • the quarry scene
  • most of Bond's exchanges with Fields (their encounter at the airport and then the debate over their hotel stand out)
  • Bond leaving Greene to die in the desert
  • the Yusef finale

 

There are other scenes as well, but these were the ones that immediately sprang to mind.



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Posted 16 May 2014 - 06:23 AM

I think one reason QoS suffers in comparison with other films is the very reason that makes it unique - it is not a stand-alone Bond film. It follows on directly from CR. It even features some of the same characters from CR, played by the same actors. As such, it seems at times like "Casino Royale Part 2" rather than a separate Bond film in its own right. I think the producers and writers were right to try and tie up the loose ends from CR in QoS, but on reflection I wonder if having the movie start quite literally where CR finished was such a good idea? Perhaps there could have been another way to link the two movies' storyline arc without QoS seeming like the second act of a very long Bond adventure? Mathis, Leiter, White and the others could still have featured, but in a film that could strike out on its own whilst still referring back to CR. How it could have been done we'll have to think about.



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Posted 16 May 2014 - 03:26 PM

There are plenty of great scenes in Quantum of Solace:

 

  • the entire Tosca sequence
  • the quarry scene
  • most of Bond's exchanges with Fields (their encounter at the airport and then the debate over their hotel stand out)
  • Bond leaving Greene to die in the desert
  • the Yusef finale

 

There are other scenes as well, but these were the ones that immediately sprang to mind.

I would agree. I also think the scene where Bond escapes from the Grand Hotel lift and surprises M in the hallway is very well done as is the Bond/Camille scene prior to the finale at Perla des las Dunas.