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[quantumofsolace]

http://www.digitalsp...-old-irony.html

http://metro.co.uk/2...ond-24-3937423/

[Hansen]

Pretty good news 

[JohnnyWalker]

I'm sure they know each film has to be different, and it's not like silly, light films aren't doing well.

[RMc2]

I'm not entirely sure what he means. He wants the old irony, but no schtick. So, does he mean Connery or Moore?

[Matt_13]

Thunderball Connery.

[RMc2]

Thunderball Connery.

 

Oh I hope so.

[sharpshooter]

 

Thunderball Connery.

 

Oh I hope so.

 

Me three.

[SecretAgentFan]

Hmm, didn´t he say the same thing in (too) early interviews about "SKYFALL"?

 

It´s the easiest comment right now to elicit approval.  Well played, Daniel.

[JohnnyWalker]

Hmm, didn´t he say the same thing in (too) early interviews about "SKYFALL"?

 

It´s the easiest comment right now to elicit approval.  Well played, Daniel.

As I recall the story was they were "bringing back one liners" because someone said it was going to be funny.

[The Shark]

And it was.

[JimmyBond]

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

[quantumofsolace]

Could A Hammy James Bond Work Again? http://uk.movies.yah...-203300229.html

The cheeky Sean Connery quips, the famous Roger Moore raised eyebrow, and the sly one-liners from Pierce Brosnan; it's been almost a tradition for James Bond to be hammed up through the years and it appears Daniel Craig is looking to bring those days back in his own performance.

After a relatively serious and more stern Bond hit us in Craig's first outing, 'Casino Royale', 007 has remained a figure who is rough and ready more than he is outlandishly humourous. In a recent interview though, Craig did confess he was looking to bring back that fun factor back to the character, but still avoid 'hamming' things up. The actor said, "Hopefully we'll reclaim some of the old irony and make sure it doesn't become pastiche. I can't do shtick, I'm not very good at it. Unless it kind of suddenly makes sense. Does that make sense? I sometimes wish I hammed it up more, but I just can't do it very well, so I don't do it."

Many may also wish that Craig hammed up the role a little more, with the famous faces before him mostly taking the route and providing some rather tongue-in-cheek instances of humour for the ongoing series. But would a hammy Bond really be something that would be a welcome return for the canon or is it now a relic of bygone eras?

Stalwart fans of the series may beg to differ, claiming that the hammy side of Bond is something that should remain no matter the actor playing him. After all, rolling back the years it has been a rather difficult task to not find a Bond actor who hasn't utilised this side of the character, so why should things be any different with Craig? Such traits of a character are part of a formula that has been working for 50 years so why upset that?

Despite a rich history and familiar characterisation, we are well into the 21st century now and with time comes change, and in all honesty, Daniel Craig is certainly one of the best Bonds we have had. His change in direction, presenting a much steelier and serious 007 is a far cry from those days of Connery and Moore per say, but has instilled a whole new breathe of fresh air into the series. With many putting those original doubts about Craig behind them, why upset the current success in throwing in over-the-top silliness?

It's a difficult argument to delve into and one I certainly cannot find myself drawn to one side in. Bond history would have him embrace some type of hammy humour but with Craig taking the spy in a different direction he has really solidified a whole new Bond into the cinematic realms.

It will definitely be interesting to see how Craig proceeds in the role of the character and what returning director Sam Mendes decides to do when James Bond returns for yet another thrilling film outing.

[sharpshooter]

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

I enjoyed Skyfall's humour as well. There was quite a bit of visual humour. Bond adjusting his cufflinks following the jump into the train. Pointing to the komodo dragon in the pit. The Bond quips of old were there in "just ran into some deep water" and the throw-away lines such as "put it all on red, it's the circle of life". If Bond 24 followed this template, I'd be satisfied. 

Edited by sharpshooter, 08 September 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[JohnnyWalker]

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

I don't get this since I don't think CR was dour at all.

[Janus Assassin]

 

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

I enjoyed Skyfall's humour as well. There was quite a bit of visual humour. Bond adjusting his cufflinks following the jump into the train. Pointing to the komodo dragon in the pit. The Bond quips of old were there in "just ran into some deep water" and the throw-away lines such as "put it all on red, it's the circle of life". If Bond 24 followed this template, I'd be satisfied. 

 

 Me too.. just no revenge or personal stories. 

[marktmurphy]

Iron Man Three and Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol got the balance about right in terms of old style Bond, I think. But I'm happy with Skyfall's tone; I think that works for Bond right now.

[RMc2]

 

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

I don't get this since I don't think CR was dour at all.

 

 

I also don't think CR's dour, although when I first saw it, I was surprised and very disappointed by what I perceived to be its lack of humour. Ever since my second viewing of it I love the sly, dry jokes - they're much more human.

 

 

 

For this fan Skyfall was a huge breath of fresh air after the two dour (but good) Craig films.

I enjoyed Skyfall's humour as well. There was quite a bit of visual humour. Bond adjusting his cufflinks following the jump into the train. Pointing to the komodo dragon in the pit. The Bond quips of old were there in "just ran into some deep water" and the throw-away lines such as "put it all on red, it's the circle of life". If Bond 24 followed this template, I'd be satisfied. 

 

 Me too.. just no revenge or personal stories. 

 

 

I enjoyed it, but does anyone else find some of the lines and jokes veer dangerously close to silliness (jumping on the tube train, for instance)? I still don't get the circle of life line though - can anyone explain it to me?

 

Otherwise, I'm happy if they keep SF's light humour, and couldn't agree with you more that a revenge or personal story is the last thing they should do.

[ChrissBond007]

Skyfall certainly did go back to a lighter tone after CR and QOS, but I'd personally love for EON to take it one step further in the next movie and also have it more OTT again.

[Guy Haines]

I've read about the possible "lighter tone" for Bond 24 elsewhere. In the same item though, Daniel Craig pretty much says he doesn't do humour in the same way as either Sean Connery or Roger Moore. Which is no bad thing, because he has put his own stamp on Bond. 

 

Regarding CR, I didn't find it humourless. The Bond of the first part is steely to be sure, but cheeky also. When we get to the torture scene, well, in the multiplex where I watched CR the biggest LOL came when Bond invited Le Chiffre to have another go at curing that "little itch, down there".

 

The humour in Skyfall - for the most part I found it matched my own. The comment about M's bulldog surviving the explosion, for example. Bond's first encounter with Q, and his sarcastic interactions with him during the London Underground scenes. ("Well, why don't you come down here and put your back into it?......oh look, there's a train coming", "I know where I am, I want to know where he is".) Kincade's withering put down of Bond whilst practice shooting.

 

I think we assume a serious storyline has to mean lack of humour. For example, OHMSS is considered a bitter-sweet Bond film because 007 defeats Blofeld but loses Tracy. Therefore, it's a "downer". It does not lack humour, however - the whole business of Bond as "Sir Hilary", pretending to be inexperienced with women is hilarious, given what we know about 007 from the five previous films.

 

I can't see number 24 being a radical shift towards a "hammy" Bond. I think Daniel Craig will continue pretty much as he has in the previous three films, but if he's given the kind of one liners that work for him, so much the better.

[Hansen]

My understanding of this "lighter tone" is that it relates more to plot and characterization than to the lines.

I agree. Lines and the way how Craig delivers them are fine. It is more this inner-introspection that I hope they will get rid off  and come back to a more 'man-on-a-job' storyline.

[Messervy]

To me, Craig can be tremendous in delivering ironically humourous performance when needed. It was pretty obvious in "Layer Cake". Even in CR he had his fun moments (for instance, I loved his faked "ouch!" when he's getting the microchip inside his forearm, or the "are you ok?" when Vesper just saved him from a heart-attack).

I think we could use a bit more of that Craig's cold irony. That suits him quite well. Different from the other Bonds, really tailor-made for him. That could work just fine.

[rubixcub]

To me, Craig can be tremendous in delivering ironically humourous performance when needed. It was pretty obvious in "Layer Cake". Even in CR he had his fun moments (for instance, I loved his faked "ouch!" when he's getting the microchip inside his forearm, or the "are you ok?" when Vesper just saved him from a heart-attack).

I think we could use a bit more of that Craig's cold irony. That suits him quite well. Different from the other Bonds, really tailor-made for him. That could work just fine.

 

Agreed.  Also liked the (not exactly cold) line from CR "It says here that you are Miss Stephanie Broadchest --" (whips paper away before she can grab it) "You're gonna have to trust me on this."  That playfulness worked, and IMO would work again.

 

Dave

[mrevans]

I'm on the same page. I've never understood the sentiment that CR is humorless. To me its one of the movies I chuckle most at. The humor feels more clever and Bond seems to be having fun. Even though the plot took a depressing turn the film still managed end on a high note IMHO. I know I left feeling like I had fun.

[ChickenStu]

Interesting. I think a lot of the humour will probably be mined from our man's interaction with the new M. I noticed there was a lot of chemistry between Craig and Feinnes and the filmmakers would be wise to capitilise on that. 

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Hmmm. I get the feeling a lot of people might be mis-reading what Craig has said. He says he wants some of the "old irony" to return. He doesn't say more humorous or lighter tone. Old irony makes me think of stuff like the hearse going over the cliff in Dr. No "they were on their way to a funeral", or Vargas "He got the point", Dario's demise "switch the bloody machine off!", Goon in TND "They print anything these days". All that is irony and the kind of humor I wouldn't mind returning. In fact we got a little taste of that with the Komodo Dragon scene in Skyfall "It's the circle of life". I wonder if that was a tip of the hat to the documentary One Life about predators and prey that Craig narrated. I could of sworn I saw a Komodo Dragon video on youtube that sounded like Craig narrating as a dragon ate a water buffalo. They key to making the old irony work is getting it to sound natural and make sense in the context of what's happening with out it feeling forced.

[RMc2]

Interesting. I think a lot of the humour will probably be mined from our man's interaction with the new M. I noticed there was a lot of chemistry between Craig and Feinnes and the filmmakers would be wise to capitilise on that. 

 

"What makes you think this is my first time?"

[Agent 76]

Hmmm. I get the feeling a lot of people might be mis-reading what Craig has said. He says he wants some of the "old irony" to return. He doesn't say more humorous or lighter tone. Old irony makes me think of stuff like the hearse going over the cliff in Dr. No "they were on their way to a funeral", or Vargas "He got the point", Dario's demise "switch the bloody machine off!", Goon in TND "They print anything these days". All that is irony and the kind of humor I wouldn't mind returning. In fact we got a little taste of that with the Komodo Dragon scene in Skyfall "It's the circle of life". I wonder if that was a tip of the hat to the documentary One Life about predators and prey that Craig narrated. I could of sworn I saw a Komodo Dragon video on youtube that sounded like Craig narrating as a dragon ate a water buffalo. They key to making the old irony work is getting it to sound natural and make sense in the context of what's happening with out it feeling forced.

that's exactly the kind of irony I like on Bond movies. I hope that some of it returns in Bond 24

[Iceskater101]

I liked the humor and irony that appeared in Skyfall. I think the one liners really make the James Bond franchise what it is.

[S K Y F A L L]

I hope they can do better then "I'm sure we'll have a few more close shaves" just hate that line. So lame IMO. 

[jmarks4life]

I liked the humor and irony that appeared in Skyfall. I think the one liners really make the James Bond franchise what it is.

Agreed.