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[x007AceOfSpades]

Anyone else worked out that the release of Daniel Craig's fourth film, Bond 24, will be in the same year as Thunderball's 50th anniversary, which was Sean Connery's fourth Bond film?

 

Nope, but good eye! Thunderball is my favorite Bond film!

[RMc2]

I just hope they really think of an original plot idea. Perhaps a little less dark. I don't see a new
SPECTRE -type organization though. They had that chance with Quantum, and did away with them.  I liked the score of Skyfall, although Arnold's last two were back to real Bond scores. He tried so hard to update them, when really Bond scores should have that classic sound, not rock or techno.

 

Given how Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman ignored SPECTRE for their third Bond film, Goldfinger, then featured them in four more films, it seems a bit early to say Barbara and Michael have 'done away' with Quantum...

 

I love Arnold's scores for CR and QoS. Particularly, I think CR's score is the best Bond score since John Barry retired from the series (and yes, I'm including Newman's SkyFall work as well). I hope Newman takes a few leaves from Barry/Arnold's book for Bond 24 - but of course he won't.

 

I also hope they go a little less dark. CR-level seriousness would be perfect

Edited by RMc, 18 July 2013 - 09:18 PM.

[tdalton]

 

I just hope they really think of an original plot idea. Perhaps a little less dark. I don't see a new
SPECTRE -type organization though. They had that chance with Quantum, and did away with them.  I liked the score of Skyfall, although Arnold's last two were back to real Bond scores. He tried so hard to update them, when really Bond scores should have that classic sound, not rock or techno.

 

Given how Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman ignored SPECTRE for their third Bond film, Goldfinger, then featured them in four more films, it seems a bit early to say Barbara and Michael have 'done away' with Quantum...

 

 

 

Cubby and Saltzman were also releasing films each year at the beginning of the franchise and only had one 3 year gap between films from Connery to Dalton.  There was no chance for the public to forget about SPECTRE between FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE and THUNDERBALL, plus it would be somewhat plausible to think that the organization just stayed under the radar for a year and regrouped after the failed mission in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.  That's not the case now.  When BOND 24 is released, a full seven years will have passed since Quantum last featured as a threat in the Bond universe.  If Broccoli and Wilson's goal, as it has been up to this point, is to make these films based in something close to reality, then Quantum has most likely been done away with.  They caused MI6 too much concern and grief in QUANTUM OF SOLACE to simply fall off the radar, so it stands to reason that MI6 has dealt with them.  If they've run rampant for seven years, then they can't be stopped, since they have people ranking in the highest levels of the European governments.  Then there's the fact that the public at large may well have forgotten about Quantum and bringing them back would force EON reference QUANTUM OF SOLACE, a film that they, as the finished product that was SKYFALL would indicate, want to forget about.

[DaveBond21]

Great news.

[Rik]

I don't think they have done away with Quantum. I'm sure that they will
Clash with Bond again.

[RMc2]

 

 

I just hope they really think of an original plot idea. Perhaps a little less dark. I don't see a new
SPECTRE -type organization though. They had that chance with Quantum, and did away with them.  I liked the score of Skyfall, although Arnold's last two were back to real Bond scores. He tried so hard to update them, when really Bond scores should have that classic sound, not rock or techno.

 

Given how Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman ignored SPECTRE for their third Bond film, Goldfinger, then featured them in four more films, it seems a bit early to say Barbara and Michael have 'done away' with Quantum...

 

 

 

Cubby and Saltzman were also releasing films each year at the beginning of the franchise and only had one 3 year gap between films from Connery to Dalton.  There was no chance for the public to forget about SPECTRE between FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE and THUNDERBALL, plus it would be somewhat plausible to think that the organization just stayed under the radar for a year and regrouped after the failed mission in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.  That's not the case now.  When BOND 24 is released, a full seven years will have passed since Quantum last featured as a threat in the Bond universe.  If Broccoli and Wilson's goal, as it has been up to this point, is to make these films based in something close to reality, then Quantum has most likely been done away with.  They caused MI6 too much concern and grief in QUANTUM OF SOLACE to simply fall off the radar, so it stands to reason that MI6 has dealt with them.  If they've run rampant for seven years, then they can't be stopped, since they have people ranking in the highest levels of the European governments.  Then there's the fact that the public at large may well have forgotten about Quantum and bringing them back would force EON reference QUANTUM OF SOLACE, a film that they, as the finished product that was SKYFALL would indicate, want to forget about.

 

 

I disagree: James Bond is a whole different type of franchise. The moviegoing public's memory for something as precious and well-loved as James Bond is surprisingly strong - besides, reminding audiences of Quantum would be easily achieved as part of the marketing campaign. Alternatively, they can comfortably sell a Bond film as a stand-alone and then reintroduce Quantum in the story - the Craig films are much more secretive about their plots than previous entries, and SF showed EON is happy to misdirect and outright lie to the audience (Moneypenny, anyone?).

 

Remember also that (canonically) Quantum are responsible for the events of CR, and since that is universally loved, they would happily stress the Casino Royale connection rather than the Quantum of Solace connection. Given how Barbara Broccoli's gone on record to say she'd like Camille back, EON doesn't seem to have much shame over QoS (and they shouldn't, IMO).

 

It'd be no surprise if Bond 24 doesn't feature Quantum because I doubt Mendes is interested in picking up the story threads seeded by other filmmakers - and EON'll be more interested in making another SkyFall right now. However, there's nothing stopping them using Quantum in another future film. It should also be pointed out that the Craig films, for the first time since the Connery era, have a loose sense of continuity to them and a sense of their own self-contained 'mythology'. Therefore, I'd say it's more likely for Quantum to make a return soon because it's a huge plot arc left unresolved.

 

In addition, I don't think realism precludes bringing Quantum back. Like you said with Spectre, Quantum's absence can easily be explained by them going underground. Also, after the DB5's appearance in SF, it's clear that EON aren't above fucking up the Craig films' established continuity...

Edited by RMc, 19 July 2013 - 08:32 AM.

[Hansen]

It's true that timeline has never been a big concern for  Eon.

It would both feel strange not to have Quantum back as at the end of QoS, MI6 is definitely not done with it and strange to have it as the time elapsed between the QoS mission and the Skyfall seems pretty long (even longer than the actual 4 years) as we go from a 'young' and learning 00 a to 'too old for this S***' one.Therefore, we can imagine that something happened with Quantum during this interval.

If they had to to bring back Quantum, they would definitely need to bring some background about what happened during all these years. At least, to give some flesh.

[Walecs]

I just wanted to remind there's a 10 years gap between DAF and FYEO, which is even longer.

Edited by Walecs, 19 July 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[Cabarita Island]

It's true that timeline has never been a big concern for  Eon.

It would both feel strange not to have Quantum back as at the end of QoS, MI6 is definitely not done with it and strange to have it as the time elapsed between the QoS mission and the Skyfall seems pretty long (even longer than the actual 4 years) as we go from a 'young' and learning 00 a to 'too old for this S***' one.Therefore, we can imagine that something happened with Quantum during this interval.

If they had to to bring back Quantum, they would definitely need to bring some background about what happened during all these years. At least, to give some flesh.

After Skyfall we are 3 movies into a reboot with Moneypenny back behind her desk, Q messing around with his laptop down in the basement and a gruff M pulling the strings from behind the leather door. Along with Felix Leiter we almost have a full compliment.

A revitalised Quantum may well return in 24 with a certain nemesis on board.....as Logan has previously hinted at.

[The Shark]

I just wanted to remind there's a 10 years gap between DAF and FYEO, which is even longer.

 

That was more of a half-arsed attempt by EON to close the story on Blofeld so McClory couldn't exploit him. Look how that turned out...

[Walecs]

Yes, I perfectly know the story. I don't understand why they couldn't end the SPECTRE arc with DAF, because the movie ends with Blofeld's death.

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

As much as I am excited about Mendes' return, I'm a little saddened because it probably means the return of Jany Temime and that ridiculous cut of suit they had for Bond in Skyfall.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the classic colour palette and fabrics (eg. Glen Plaid, Sharkshin, Charcoal Serge) in which they dressed Craig.  They were very sober and business-like.  Perfect for an "old-fashoned" character like Bond and evocative of Connery Bond's iconic style.  Also, much of the casual wear was great.  Eg. The winter/hunting getup at Skyfall.  

 

However, unfortunately, the suits were cut/fitted way too closely.  It didn't look right on a man in his forties who is suppose to represent the old way of doing things and who supposedly harbours a lot of old-fashioned ideas.  I'm not saying that Craig should be dressed in suits with a draped chest and double forward pleats, etc, but his suits should fit with current trends without being too extreme.  I don't really even think that Craig looked particularly good in those suits.  The narrow straight shoulders, tight cut,  and three button front made him look boxy and uncomfortable rather than accentuating his muscular frame in my opinion.  

 

Ironically, Tom Ford doesn't even fit the model of suit used in the film that tightly for ordinary sale to customers.  It is intended to fit and look more traditionally.  The more classic styling of the pants for his dinner suit  were far more flattering with their higher rise, and tapered legs.  I thought one of the scene when Craig looked his best was when he walked out on deck on the Chimera.  Hopefully, the shrunken suit trend will pass or lessen a little by the time they get to working on the actual costume design for Bond 24.  

[SecretAgentFan]

Been listening to Newman´s score after a few months.  Still great stuff.  Looking forward to having him write the score for BOND 24.

[S K Y F A L L]

Been listening to Newman´s score after a few months.  Still great stuff.  Looking forward to having him write the score for BOND 24.

You seem pretty confident that he will return, which is most likely I suppose. 

[bondjames]

I'm not sure if this has already been pointed out somewhere, but it's interesting to note that Craig, Moore and Connery hit it out of the park with their third outings as the world's most famous spy. Brosnan did not and maybe that is what precipitated his departure as Bond. Sadly, Dalton was sadly not given a chance (I think he would have nailed it). Lazenby did not get to two so let's not waste time with him.

 

All 3 actors (Moore, Connery, Craig) grew in confidence with #3 and delivered a definitive portrayal of Bond (although Craig was so good in both Casino Royale and Quantum that the improvements were more in humour than acting prowess or confidence). Brosnan, if we're being honest, embarrassed himself in TWINE (particularly in the dramatic moments with Electra, when feeling sympathy for her kidnapping plight and when confronting Renard for the first time).

 

It looks like 3rd time's the charm for the Bond actors who will stand the test of time. Almost like a rite of passage.

 

On a related note, while recently watching some classic spy movies from the 60's (with heavyweights such as Cary Grant, Gregory Peck and Paul Newman) it dawned on me what a phenomenon Bond was in the 60s. To arrive on the scene with an unknown actor (Connery) and essentially demolish all established genre Hollywood offerings at the boxoffice during that timeframe, and become the definitive spy franchise of the era, was a tremendous feat. It also dawned on me that this has just happened again - with Skyfall. Who would have thought that a Bond movie in 2013 would be the number two grossing movie of the year, overtaking TDKR and perhaps selling as many tickets as the Avengers (which benefited from boosted 3D ticket prices and had the benefit of an all-star cast). Craig has achieved what Connery achieved 50 years ago. Unbelievable. Where are the craigsnotbond haters now?

 

I'm sure EON are aware of this. We are going to get a Thunderball style movie. Bigger and better. Perhaps with Quantum (Skyfall, like Goldfinger, was a stand-alone) back. Expect the quality of everything to be 'upped'. They've learnt from Moonraker (which was not as bad as people make out - just a little over the top with the concept - still miles better than DAD) so we're going to be in for a treat folks, mark my words.

[The Shark]

I'm not sure if this has already been pointed out somewhere, but it's interesting to note that Craig, Moore and Connery hit it out of the park with their third outings as the world's most famous spy. Brosnan did not and maybe that is what precipitated his departure as Bond. Sadly, Dalton was sadly not given a chance (I think he would have nailed it). Lazenby did not get to two so let's not waste time with him.

 

All 3 actors (Moore, Connery, Craig) grew in confidence with #3 and delivered a definitive portrayal of Bond (although Craig was so good in both Casino Royale and Quantum that the improvements were more in humour than acting prowess or confidence). Brosnan, if we're being honest, embarrassed himself in TWINE (particularly in the dramatic moments with Electra, when feeling sympathy for her kidnapping plight and when confronting Renard for the first time).

 

It looks like 3rd time's the charm for the Bond actors who will stand the test of time. Almost like a rite of passage.

 

On a related note, while recently watching some classic spy movies from the 60's (with heavyweights such as Cary Grant, Gregory Peck and Paul Newman) it dawned on me what a phenomenon Bond was in the 60s. To arrive on the scene with an unknown actor (Connery) and essentially demolish all established genre Hollywood offerings at the boxoffice during that timeframe, and become the definitive spy franchise of the era, was a tremendous feat. It also dawned on me that this has just happened again - with Skyfall. Who would have thought that a Bond movie in 2013 would be the number two grossing movie of the year, overtaking TDKR and perhaps selling as many tickets as the Avengers (which benefited from boosted 3D ticket prices and had the benefit of an all-star cast). Craig has achieved what Connery achieved 50 years ago. Unbelievable. Where are the craigsnotbond haters now?

 

I'm sure EON are aware of this. We are going to get a Thunderball style movie. Bigger and better. Perhaps with Quantum (Skyfall, like Goldfinger, was a stand-alone) back. Expect the quality of everything to be 'upped'. They've learnt from Moonraker (which was not as bad as people make out - just a little over the top with the concept - still miles better than DAD) so we're going to be in for a treat folks, mark my words.

 

Don't usually make '+1' posts, but damnit, I agree with just about every word you've sad. Refreshing to see some love for THUNDERBALL and MOONRAKER, two of my personal favourites. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

I'd love for Bond 24 to be Craig's Thunderball.

[Hansen]

But not a Moore's Moonraker... Nor a Brosnan's DAD, Nor a Dalton's...

[Walecs]

I'm not sure if this has already been pointed out somewhere, but it's interesting to note that Craig, Moore and Connery hit it out of the park with their third outings as the world's most famous spy. Brosnan did not and maybe that is what precipitated his departure as Bond. Sadly, Dalton was sadly not given a chance (I think he would have nailed it). Lazenby did not get to two so let's not waste time with him.

 

All 3 actors (Moore, Connery, Craig) grew in confidence with #3 and delivered a definitive portrayal of Bond (although Craig was so good in both Casino Royale and Quantum that the improvements were more in humour than acting prowess or confidence). Brosnan, if we're being honest, embarrassed himself in TWINE (particularly in the dramatic moments with Electra, when feeling sympathy for her kidnapping plight and when confronting Renard for the first time).

 

It looks like 3rd time's the charm for the Bond actors who will stand the test of time. Almost like a rite of passage.

 

On a related note, while recently watching some classic spy movies from the 60's (with heavyweights such as Cary Grant, Gregory Peck and Paul Newman) it dawned on me what a phenomenon Bond was in the 60s. To arrive on the scene with an unknown actor (Connery) and essentially demolish all established genre Hollywood offerings at the boxoffice during that timeframe, and become the definitive spy franchise of the era, was a tremendous feat. It also dawned on me that this has just happened again - with Skyfall. Who would have thought that a Bond movie in 2013 would be the number two grossing movie of the year, overtaking TDKR and perhaps selling as many tickets as the Avengers (which benefited from boosted 3D ticket prices and had the benefit of an all-star cast). Craig has achieved what Connery achieved 50 years ago. Unbelievable. Where are the craigsnotbond haters now?

 

I'm sure EON are aware of this. We are going to get a Thunderball style movie. Bigger and better. Perhaps with Quantum (Skyfall, like Goldfinger, was a stand-alone) back. Expect the quality of everything to be 'upped'. They've learnt from Moonraker (which was not as bad as people make out - just a little over the top with the concept - still miles better than DAD) so we're going to be in for a treat folks, mark my words.

 

Maybe, but after three movies Brosnan was the only one who didn't look tired/bored, thus his amazing performance in DAD (despite what your opinions might be about the movie).

[bondjames]

 

I'm not sure if this has already been pointed out somewhere, but it's interesting to note that Craig, Moore and Connery hit it out of the park with their third outings as the world's most famous spy. Brosnan did not and maybe that is what precipitated his departure as Bond. Sadly, Dalton was sadly not given a chance (I think he would have nailed it). Lazenby did not get to two so let's not waste time with him.

 

All 3 actors (Moore, Connery, Craig) grew in confidence with #3 and delivered a definitive portrayal of Bond (although Craig was so good in both Casino Royale and Quantum that the improvements were more in humour than acting prowess or confidence). Brosnan, if we're being honest, embarrassed himself in TWINE (particularly in the dramatic moments with Electra, when feeling sympathy for her kidnapping plight and when confronting Renard for the first time).

 

It looks like 3rd time's the charm for the Bond actors who will stand the test of time. Almost like a rite of passage.

 

On a related note, while recently watching some classic spy movies from the 60's (with heavyweights such as Cary Grant, Gregory Peck and Paul Newman) it dawned on me what a phenomenon Bond was in the 60s. To arrive on the scene with an unknown actor (Connery) and essentially demolish all established genre Hollywood offerings at the boxoffice during that timeframe, and become the definitive spy franchise of the era, was a tremendous feat. It also dawned on me that this has just happened again - with Skyfall. Who would have thought that a Bond movie in 2013 would be the number two grossing movie of the year, overtaking TDKR and perhaps selling as many tickets as the Avengers (which benefited from boosted 3D ticket prices and had the benefit of an all-star cast). Craig has achieved what Connery achieved 50 years ago. Unbelievable. Where are the craigsnotbond haters now?

 

I'm sure EON are aware of this. We are going to get a Thunderball style movie. Bigger and better. Perhaps with Quantum (Skyfall, like Goldfinger, was a stand-alone) back. Expect the quality of everything to be 'upped'. They've learnt from Moonraker (which was not as bad as people make out - just a little over the top with the concept - still miles better than DAD) so we're going to be in for a treat folks, mark my words.

 

Maybe, but after three movies Brosnan was the only one who didn't look tired/bored, thus his amazing performance in DAD (despite what your opinions might be about the movie).

 

His performance was much better in DaD compared to TWINE, I'll give you that. Much better indeed. A case of too little too late perhaps. If he'd done that in TWINE (his 3rd), maybe he'd still be Bond, which was my whole point.

 

Unfortunately, there was, to me at least, something inauthentic about his performance as Bond during his entire 4 film tenure. He never really found his feet, even after 4 movies, and his performance and more importantly, character, varied tremendously. It was almost like a different person up on the screen with each movie - with his DaD performance being the best. That's what I always found unfortunate about Brosnan as Bond. He's admitted it too recently, now that he's gotten over not being invited back for CR.

 

Craig on the other hand just imbued confidence from that first scene in Prague when he took out Dryden, and went from strength from there on. Whatever you may think of QoS, Craig was brilliant in it.

Edited by bondjames, 21 July 2013 - 11:49 PM.

[GalaSilva]

 

Craig on the other hand just imbued confidence from that first scene in Prague when he took out Dryden, and went from strength from there on. Whatever you may think of QoS, Craig was brilliant in it.

 

 

Amen!

Edited by GalaSilva, 21 July 2013 - 11:58 PM.

[007jamesbond]

if Bond 24 is "thunderball" for Daniel Craig 007 then it should be a big threat to the world at least to the west......Thunderball already did Nuclear weapon.........I hope we finally use chemical or biological weapon not used yet except in OHMSS 

[S K Y F A L L]

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Edited by S K Y F A L L, 22 July 2013 - 02:11 AM.

[MooseWithFleas]

I would love if this had a Thunderball type style to it. The Bond film to end all Bond films!!! 

 

I trust Mendes, Babs, and Co. to make another tremendous hit. It's going to be a long two years of speculation, but should also be a lot of fun

[quantumofsolace]

http://uk.movies.yah...-091300671.html

[DamnCoffee]

"Even if Mendes doesn't come back for Bond (and it sadly doesn't like he will)..."

 

Ummm....

Edited by DamnCoffee, 28 August 2013 - 03:29 AM.

[dtuba]

Someone at Yahoo! is a little behind the curve, methinks.

 

Count me in for a Thunderball-type caper. It's time for Craig's Bond to save the world. Give us a batsh*t crazy villain bent on world domination, please!

Edited by dtuba, 28 August 2013 - 05:05 AM.

[Walecs]

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Edited by Walecs, 29 August 2013 - 01:59 PM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Give us a batsh*t crazy villain bent on world domination, please!

Or give us a villain based on Flemings Blofeld. An utterly immoral philosopher-villain growing gradually more insane and destructive.

[Vauxhall]

I think John Logan will be able to create a very interesting villain indeed. He's created some strong and compelling characters in some of his previous movies, and is likely to have the casting strength to have actors who can also pull it off in BOND 24.

 

Also - a pedantic point, admittedly, but is a moderator able to change the title of the sub-forum to "Bond 24 (2015)", as we have the release date confirmed. Thanks!