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The cinematography looked great when I watched the trailers, but on the big screen, I was seriously put off by it at points. I wonder if the color balance is too tricky for the average projectionist (average being an admittedly low bar). It felt like a lot of scenes got pushed too far towards the monochromatic. The entrance to the casino in Macau is one such scene. The colors are more subdued and pleasing on my laptop.

The worst was the approach to Hashima Island. It was so overexposed that the island, which I know is real, looked like CGI. It was the weirdest thing. I know what Deakins was going for there, but it just didn't look right on the big screen. I'll be interested to pick up the Blu-ray, and see how it compares.

That said, Scotland was shot really nicely. And I like the lighting trick with Bond's eyes as he approaches the apartment in Istanbul.

[x007AceOfSpades]

The cinematography looked great when I watched the trailers, but on the big screen, I was seriously put off by it at points. I wonder if the color balance is too tricky for the average projectionist (average being an admittedly low bar). It felt like a lot of scenes got pushed too far towards the monochromatic. The entrance to the casino in Macau is one such scene. The colors are more subdued and pleasing on my laptop.

The worst was the approach to Hashima Island. It was so overexposed that the island, which I know is real, looked like CGI. It was the weirdest thing. I know what Deakins was going for there, but it just didn't look right on the big screen. I'll be interested to pick up the Blu-ray, and see how it compares.

That said, Scotland was shot really nicely. And I like the lighting trick with Bond's eyes as he approaches the apartment in Istanbul.

Hmmm. Did you see it in IMAX, Digital Projection, Standard?

That's very strange.

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I've seen it digitally projected twice. And I guess it's fair to note that color timing can change between the trailer and the release. It happened with Casino Royale. And from what I understand, they could never get color timing right with Rock of Ages even after several wholesale adjustments. So my second theory is that I don't like the Arri Alexa cameras at all.

[x007AceOfSpades]

It seemed fine to me in Digital Projection. Weird.

[TheSilhouette]

The cinematography looked great when I watched the trailers, but on the big screen, I was seriously put off by it at points. I wonder if the color balance is too tricky for the average projectionist (average being an admittedly low bar). It felt like a lot of scenes got pushed too far towards the monochromatic. The entrance to the casino in Macau is one such scene. The colors are more subdued and pleasing on my laptop.

The worst was the approach to Hashima Island. It was so overexposed that the island, which I know is real, looked like CGI. It was the weirdest thing. I know what Deakins was going for there, but it just didn't look right on the big screen. I'll be interested to pick up the Blu-ray, and see how it compares.

That said, Scotland was shot really nicely. And I like the lighting trick with Bond's eyes as he approaches the apartment in Istanbul.

Only part of the island was real. The set wasn't that big and alot of it was created with CGI.

[thecasinoroyale]

I couldn't tell any CGI on the island - even approaching it from Severine's P.O.V looked real - very haunting and eerie. A great construction / design and location.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I couldn't tell any CGI on the island

Weren't the

Spoiler

Helicopter's Bond called in from the radio CGI, at least the did look CGI generated to me

[thecasinoroyale]

Oh, yes, I thought those were Ace, I meant the actual island set itself, and the buildings etc. Sorry, should me more specific!

I loved the musical cue at that part though...very classic era Bond!

[S K Y F A L L]

Its strange cause one of my favorite shoots of the film is just of Bond when he gets of the elevator with Patrice and you can see all the way down the skyscraper, just looked great IMO.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Just realized this was never put into the spoiler section. Since the film is out for the majority of us, any chance the moderators may move this topic to the spoiler discussion?

If so, thank you very much.

[201050]

I meant the actual island set itself, and the buildings etc.

That's because it's a real place.

Hashima

[201050]

I wonder if the color balance is too tricky for the average projectionist (average being an admittedly low bar). It felt like a lot of scenes got pushed too far towards the monochromatic.

When I saw it opening night, it was a digital projection theater and I have to say the colors were noticeably monochromatic. Not to the point of ruining the film, but I did notice. On the second day, I saw it in IMAX and the color definitely had more weight. I'm chalking it up to facility or projectionist.

[thecasinoroyale]

I need to be clearer I think!

Thanks for the link 201050 - I know it's a real place, I meant the comment from The Silhouette saying the set wasn't that big and lots of it was CGI, I meant I couldn't tell what was CGI and what was actual set - it all looked like they were actually there.

It's a great location, I love the approach to it - very eerie!

[Vauxhall]

I couldn't really tell which bits were plates taken from the real Hashima, which were CGI buildings and which were real sets. I suppose this is a good thing. The establishing shot was a bit off, but that was dropped into yacht shots taken in Turkey.

As a slight off-topic point, can anyone recall if the signs in the abandoned city were Chinese or Japanese?

[stromberg]

Just realized this was never put into the spoiler section. Since the film is out for the majority of us, any chance the moderators may move this topic to the spoiler discussion?

If so, thank you very much.

Oh. good suggestion. Done.

I couldn't really tell which bits were plates taken from the real Hashima, which were CGI buildings and which were real sets. I suppose this is a good thing. The establishing shot was a bit off, but that was dropped into yacht shots taken in Turkey.

As a slight off-topic point, can anyone recall if the signs in the abandoned city were Chinese or Japanese?

Maybe the establishing shot, if any. Still not convinced they where there, all of the shots from outside could have been done with miniatures.
The square with the fallen statue, that's been built on the Pinwood backlot (AFAIK).

[Vauxhall]

Maybe the establishing shot, if any. Still not convinced they where there, all of the shots from outside could have been done with miniatures.
The square with the fallen statue, that's been built on the Pinwood backlot (AFAIK).

Correct, the statue square was on the backlot.

I noticed that the credits thank "The Mayor of Nagasaki City for the use of Gunkanjima" (Hashima), but that may perhaps be referring to a location scouting trip for earlier in the production phase, rather than any secondary unit shots of the real place.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Thank You Stromberg. Vauxhall, I believe Japanese.

[Vauxhall]

Vauxhall, I believe Japanese.

Thanks. That's what I suspected. It seems they genuinely intend Silva's island to be Hashima then, albeit with a different backstory.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Which was strange, the backstory they chose. I figured Silva saw Hashima Island and went "Mine!"

[Vauxhall]

Which was strange, the backstory they chose. I figured Silva saw Hashima Island and went "Mine!"

Indeed! I suppose the story about the chemical plant and the fake leak added a little bit to Silva's history of using computers to manipulate the truth and always get his way, but they could have made either thing work. No complaints from me though. Using the island at all was a nice idea.

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Saw it on (real) IMAX. Holy crap, the movie looked a thousand times better. Didn't get a damned headache watching it this time. Colors were far more natural and pleasing. And the dynamic range was much stronger. The island scenes didn't look like an atomic bomb was going off. And the Scotland scenes were no longer underexposed. How is it that something shot on digital looks better on film? The (real) IMAX version is projected on film, correct?

Did they screw up the compression job when sending the digital files to the projectors of regular movie theaters? Someone help me figure this out.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I honestly had no problems with colors at all.

[thecasinoroyale]

I dind't have any colour issues with the regular print at my cinema too - except when my eyes bled after the cut from Scotland night to London day, that was a great moment to be blinded!

[sharpshooter]

Among other things, I just find this shot absolutely beautiful.

 

[x007AceOfSpades]

Agree sharpshooter, it's a great shot!

[Vauxhall]

Very nice shot. Particularly as he's working with a green/blue screen backdrop there.

[x007AceOfSpades]

A shot from the Shanghai scene(s) I love.

 

[Robinson]

I wonder if the color balance is too tricky for the average projectionist (average being an admittedly low bar). It felt like a lot of scenes got pushed too far towards the monochromatic.

When I saw it opening night, it was a digital projection theater and I have to say the colors were noticeably monochromatic. Not to the point of ruining the film, but I did notice. On the second day, I saw it in IMAX and the color definitely had more weight. I'm chalking it up to facility or projectionist.

The two times I saw it in the theaters, I thought the colors were almost desaturated and thought maybe EON decided to tone things down. I wondered if the on-set pics posted here were enhanced via photoshop and gave a false impression of what the film would ultimately look like.

Can't wait to check it out in all it's Blu-ray glory.