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#31 Trident

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 05:40 PM

re Your "misses the point somewhat" statement, I'm guessing you're referring to what James wrote.



The point that I was making in this answer had to do with a lot of the mis-information that some folks are pitching about Rolex somehow being so much a different brand image today than it was when Mr. Fleming wrote his Bond stories.


Oh, absolutely and I quite agree. Sorry if that wasn't clear.



Remember: Bond has taken on the cover of someone who Goldfinger can rightly consider motivated to work for him out of greed, out for the money. This is also the story in which 007 is issued the Aston Martin DB III to add further credibility to his higher-class image. So the watch may have been issued to him as part of that. It's also possible that it's simply something Bond said, to enhance his bravado. Would Oddjob, as Mr. Fleming wrote him, have known the wiser?

If this is a matter of interpretation, or reconsiling seemingly contradictory information, my basis for making the call was that Ian Fleming had throught about what he'd written in response to his reader and meant what he wrote.


A very good point that doubtlessly supports the 'watch to fit the cover' idea. A very cheap model on a man driving an Aston Martin, playing golf for high stakes and staying at the Floridiana Hotel would surely seem out of place. So the cover-outfit would be a very likely explanation.

All the more so perhaps as it would lend itself naturally also to OHMSS's Rolex by extension. Chapter 8 of OHMSS for the first time delves more deeply into the matter of pre-op 'clearance':

'...You've fixed your laundry tags and so on?'

'Yes,' said Bond dully. 'I've fixed all that. And I've got two new suits with cuffs and double vents at the back and four buttons down the front. Also a gold watch and chain with the Bray seal. Quite the little baronet.'


The Rolex mentioned later prominently in this context would fit in as a part of the cover. The gold watch and fob (?) don't turn up again IIRC, but the Rolex would blend naturally into the picture of the baronet. Main drawback of this explanation: Bond muses that the SIS would have to pay for a Rolex replacement. Not a consideration Bond would give an article from Q branch. To the contrary, Bond's new model comes from their stock. So it would seem the one specimen finding the end of it's work life against the head of the guard was indeed Bond's own model, his private posession.

My explanation: it was a watch Bond treated himself with over the years, but didn't necessarily wear on an everyday basis in the field. In the case of the Corona assignment [the Piz Gloria infiltration] Bond felt it was fitting to his cover and decided to take it along for the ride. In a similar manner his Bentley's were equipped with an unregistered Colt .45, a 'private' gun, judging by M's reaction in the aftermath of the Drax affair.


Thanks for letting me weigh-in a bit further regarding my JamesList interview. I also couldn't pass up the opportunity to have them promote the upcoming National Watch & Clock Museum "Bond Watches, James Bond Watches" exhibit!


Thanks for giving some most interesting information here! Good luck with the exhibit! B)

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:41 AM

Sark -

That's my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

As an example, this is my everyday watch:

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Swiss automatic movement, sapphire crystal, looks gorgeous in every setting -- and I actually scuba dive with it. Cost: $300.

Compare that to this:
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Swiss automatic movement, sapphire crystal, looks gorgeous in every setting -- sound familiar? Cost: $4,000 MINIMUM.

What is the difference? One says Invicta, the other says Rolex. I defy anybody to show me a difference in performance. Automatic watches aren't very accurate to begin with.

And -- AND - I've never met anybody who actually uses their Rolex diving. Why would you, if one dropped scuba tank destroys three grand by mistake?

One person I met wore a $4,000 Omega Seamaster, looked at my wrist, and thought it was a Rolex. I had the last laugh.

Now, some people will say "it's an investment." The problem is, investments belong in a bank or in a safe, not around your wrist.

Can some people genuinely enjoy owning a Rolex? Sure. But my guess is that 99% buy them for the wrong reasons.



I have to admit, that Rolex inspired Invicta is a great price for that watch, all it needs now is a good bond Nato strap heheheh, .... my personal opinion is Rolex is way overpriced for what it is, and it is a boring way to spend money, you can defintley get far classier good watches for the same price or less. I have never wanted to own a Rolex, it really is an "old mans" watch.

I would like Bond to go back to Rolex purely on the connection with the novels and the early bond films. The Omega Seamaster is a B)e looking watch, and i have always thought so since Goldeneye, the Planet Ocean is not much better and seems to me as Omegas attempt at a Submariner. I would prefer bond to wear an Omega Speedmaster hehehhehehehe


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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:33 PM

October 25th 09 but updated.

http://blog.jameslis...hery-continues/

The fantastic Mr Ehrlich over at Jake’s Rolex blog (a must for any Rolex nutter) recently unveiled the next step in Daniel Craig’s masterplan to annoy the hell out of Omega. Treachery is a bit too harsh of a term, but the alliteration appealed to me. So what’s the story?

As most of you already know, Omega has been a heavy sponsor of the Bond film franchise, beginning with GoldenEye in 1995. The partnership has had its up and downs. For Omega, it’s probably their most successful marketing effort ever since equipping Buzz Aldrin with a Speedy. Quite frankly, the modern day blue Seamaster is one of the most common timepieces on people’s wrists these days, atleast in the upper echelon of watches (anything you can’t buy at a gas station). I’m not blaming them, who wouldn’t want to be James Bond? If only the bracelet wasn’t so hideous… The Planet Ocean is way nicer, in my opinion.

For watch nerds (especially if you’re also a movie buff like me), the collaboration is not as exciting. Not because there’s something inherently wrong with Omega (I love Omega), but because anyone with the slightest interest in the Bond series will know that there’s only one true Bond watch, and that’s a Rolex (let’s not bring Seiko into this, shall we?). Even in the very first Bond book in 1953, Ian Flemming specifically mentioned that Bond wore a Rolex. Moreover, in the old Bond movies (even when they were as camp as they were), there was never a moment so horrible (this is the cineast in me talking) such as the dialogue exchange between Bond and Vesper Lynd on the train in 2006’s Casino Royale (you know which one).

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Alright, enough movie talk. With the Bond franchise revigorated with the aforementioned movie (and subsequently ruined again by botching the script and having a real estate agent as the villain in 2008’s Quantum of Solace. OK, I swear, no more movie talk), I kind of wish they could go back to Rolex. And evidently, I am not alone. A while back, Daniel Craig was spotted wearing a vintage SS Submariner ref 6538, very close to the watch worn by Sean Connery in Thunderball. Probably not a coincidence, and probably an annoyance to Omega (even if Mr. Craig isn’t seemingly contractually bound to wear Omega exclusively).

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The watch community took notice and discovered that Craig just might be even more of a Rolex nut than we thought. After a while, Craig had been seen publically wearing (in chronological order) a two-tone DJ on a jubilee bracelet, a SS DJ on an oyster bracelet, a 50th anniversary Milgauss, a vintage panda Daytona and a vintage SS GMT Master. This just solidifies my belief in Craig as the best Bond. Sean Connery purists, get bent.

Now, the discovery of Craig’s latest acquisition is something else. A photograph of him, sporting a pretty rockin’ stache, speaking to Sean “Puff Daddy, Puffy, P Diddy, Diddy” John of all people while wearing a pretty mysterious Sub that took some time to be identified. Jake Ehrlich, after some impressive detective work, managed to find out that it’s certainly might be something special. It’s rumoured to be a customized LV, made by Project X Designs dubbed the PXD SS1. A very cool mod that brings my thoughts to old vintage Rolexes (such as the ref 6538 from the first Bond flick), what with the crown guards having been shaved off. Daniel Craig reportedly wears it since he does not wish to damage his 6538 (understandable, considering what those go for, if you can find one. Rumor has it it was given to him by Barbara Broccoli).
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The watch above: It’s rumoured to be a customized LV, made by Project X Designs dubbed the PXD SS1

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 04:22 PM

October 25th 09 but updated.

http://blog.jameslis...hery-continues/



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Sorry to hear that. Although it's not my most favourite topic it's a shame this discussion went out of control over at your site.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:27 PM

Agreed, too bad things went off the handle there.

I was going to say, this topic here is one of the most interesting in a long time -- watch enthusiasts and watch experts sharing their views intelligently. Good people on here.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:32 PM

Agreed, too bad things went off the handle there.

I was going to say, this topic here is one of the most interesting in a long time -- watch enthusiasts and watch experts sharing their views intelligently. Good people on here.



Agree.
I wonder how much Craig's timepiece collection is worth? B)
Can anyone make a near enough guess? I know it's hard to say with custom pieces but give a go!

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:54 PM

Between $20,000 and $50,000 perhaps?

That would allow for several stratosphere-priced custom pieces, and a nice collection of expensive stock pieces as well.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:58 PM

Between $20,000 and $50,000 perhaps?

That would allow for several stratosphere-priced custom pieces, and a nice collection of expensive stock pieces as well.



Now you see I thought the same range although I'm inclined to look at the higher end of that.
Damn must be nice to have that dosh. :tdown:
I'm sure though he gets "discounts" or whatever for wearing them?
Plus the one given to him by Miss "Bam Bam" Babs. B)

Q: Time pieces like that, obviously considered as art (in my mind), increase well in price?

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Doing his "duty" and carrying an Omega bag. How rampantly gregarious of him. :tdown:

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:00 AM

Dans -

Okay, that's just crazy. I downloaded that exact picture literally a few hours before you posted it, and noted the Omega bag. Great minds, or somesuch.

Apparently Craig donated his film-worn Omega to a charity auction, so perhaps he decided to replace it with another in March.

As for timepieces increasing in value, it's hard to say. I would normally say "Don't buy accessories as an investment." There no guarantee that anything increases in value -- case in point, the housing market.

Of course, Craig is under different circumstances. After all, he pays the same price for watches as we do, lower probably. Yet, just by owning it, his collection can be sold later at a premium as "James Bond's actual watch."

Normal rules don't apply to Bond. B)

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:48 PM

Dans -

Okay, that's just crazy. I downloaded that exact picture literally a few hours before you posted it, and noted the Omega bag. Great minds, or somesuch.

Apparently Craig donated his film-worn Omega to a charity auction, so perhaps he decided to replace it with another in March.

As for timepieces increasing in value, it's hard to say. I would normally say "Don't buy accessories as an investment." There no guarantee that anything increases in value -- case in point, the housing market.

Of course, Craig is under different circumstances. After all, he pays the same price for watches as we do, lower probably. Yet, just by owning it, his collection can be sold later at a premium as "James Bond's actual watch."

Normal rules don't apply to Bond. :tdown:


Bins:

I wouldn't say that too loudly around here, any comparison to me is liable for you to walk outside and see four flat tires on your car. :)

This is interesting, Craig offers his watch to a fan:

http://www.timessqua...o-huge-fan.html

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Tom Murro and his wife Kelly were greeted by Daniel Craig after his Broadway play 'A Steady Rain' recently, outside the stage doors. Tom complimented him on his acting and his Rolex GMT and told him that he was an avid watch collector and that the GMT was his favorite and one he didn't have yet. They took some pictures together and Tom continued to compliment his watch, then the star started to take the watch off and said "he could spare one and its yours if you want it." Tom thought he was kidding, "I couldn't believe that he said what he said", then Tom replied in shock, "I would love to Mr. Craig but no thank you." He looked a bit puzzled and went on to sign autographs for all the fans, he seemed to really like signing autographs and spent allot of time doing it, then Daniel waved to the crowd, got into his SUV Limo, and was driven away. Tom then realized that was his one shot and he just froze. His wife was so mad and couldn't believe what he did. Tom just felt weird taking it from him right there off his wrist. The happy couple thought that was more than generous of him to offer even if he is a wealthy actor. Even better, Daniel took their camera and took a shot of all three of them. Great shot Daniel !"

Now call me cynical but if that happened then this Mr Murro would have a watch to show off wouldn't he but he doesn't so it's all his take. Granted Craig offered his watch to Jonathon Ross but to a willy nilly fan in the crowd?
Craig's a nice bloke but honestly, now the whole crowd of them are going to ask him for it now.
Can't see Craig doing that and setting a precedent with a mass of fans (as nice as he is.)
Unless Craig is asked about it and he confirms.
Although a lesson learned if true though. If ever I see Craig I will compliment him on his watch. B) :) and Mr Murro probably will learn to take a gift from now on as I'm sure his wife will never let him forget. :tdown:

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:22 PM

Hmm, I don't think I would have accepted DC's watch either.

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:23 PM

Hmm, I don't think I would have accepted DC's watch either.


Really? Why not?

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:28 PM

I like to work for and buy my own things. Don't get me wrong, it's a great gesture on DC's part. Just not something I would have done unless, of course, I was down on my luck.

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:41 PM

I like to work for and buy my own things. Don't get me wrong, it's a great gesture on DC's part. Just not something I would have done unless, of course, I was down on my luck.



Fair enough.

Apparently he didn't offer the watch according to some people who saw a video of him meeting this guy.

Whatever right?

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 09:49 PM

I like to work for and buy my own things. Don't get me wrong, it's a great gesture on DC's part. Just not something I would have done unless, of course, I was down on my luck.



Fair enough.

Apparently he didn't offer the watch according to some people who saw a video of him meeting this guy.

Whatever right?


Absotively, posolutely. I could not have said it better myself.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 07:18 PM

http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/

I remember thinking Bernhard must be as crazy about Rolex design as I was, but in a different way.!!!

Jameslist.com recently wrote a story about the recent story I wrote about how I discovered a 7th Rolex on Daniel Craig, who plays James Bond, Jameslist named Daniel Craig Tale Of Treachery Continues. Jameslist.com began the story "The fantastic Mr. Ehrlich over at Jake's Rolex Blog (a must for any Rolex nutter) recently unveiled the next step in Daniel Craig's masterplan to annoy the hell out of Omega."

I had heard, RolexAholic, Rolex Junkie, Rolex Fanatic, RISistus, but I must admit I had never heard "Rolex nutter." Several days later, Love Blomquist from Jameslist.com emailed me to tell me about a follow-up article Jameslist.com published.

Love Blomquest, who is a writer from Jameslist.com and lives in Stockholm Sweden proceeded to tell me he was a "long-time fan" of Jake's Rolex Watch Blog and he thought The Daniel Craig who plays James Bond who prefers wearing Rolex in his personal life article was a "great article" then he asked me when the podcasts are coming back?

The reason I brought up the Jameslist.com story is because Berhnhard (Bullibeer) and I are indeed Rolex nutter's!!!! Also, there will be many, many great podcasts coming up on Jake's Rolex Watch Blog for everybody that is interested. I only mention this because so many people ask me.

So back to Bernhard's new Rolex Blog named 100PERCENT-ROLEX [THE BLOG FOR ROLEX PASSIONADO's]. "Rolex Passionado's" is also a new term for me ;-)

Bernhard has an amazing Rolex collection and his blog is great which you can check it out by clicking here. Bernhard and I have become pals over the years and please join me in wishing him nothing but the best with his new blog!!! It is really amazing how in many ways the online Rolex community is really like an extended family. First you casually observe members of the community from your catbird seat, all of a sudden you end up meeting them at a GTG or in a forum and you become pals!!!

By the way, Berhard has a thing for retro athletic shoes also. I remember when I first saw the photo below thinking "What a trippy dude!?!" I mean "trippy" in a good way–by the way!!! Just for the record, Bernhard mentioned in an email to me that this weekend he is going to be at a "Milsub Meeting!!! SO Monday/Tuesday will be more Milsub items on the blog..."

Roger Moore As James Bond
From The Spy Who Loved Me?

Coke Rolex GMT Master

I am really embarrassed to admit this, but I don't know which Roger Moore James Bond movie these shots are from? I think they are from The Spy Who Loved Me? The thing that makes them unusual is that Roger Moore as James Bond is not wearing a Submariner, but a Coke Rolex GMT Master!!!

If anybody knows, please email me. I will check with Dell Deaton over at his James Bond Watches Blog. When I figure it out, I will add the pics to the James Bond Section on Jake's Rolex Watch Blog named The Complete History Of James Bond Watches, Including ALL Watches Worn in ALL James Bond Movies.

One of the reasons this is kind of profound, is because to the best of my knowledge it has never been documented that a James Bond Character wore a Rolex GMT Master in a James Bond movie, since Bond's typically wore a Rolex Submariner.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 09:40 PM

I happen to like Jake's Blog too. Good information there. As for the photograph you show of Roger Moore, it's hard to tell from this screen that it's a GMT Master. It looks more like a Submariner, but I'll take your word for it. I don't remember that scene being in TSWLM either, but it's possible. I do know that Moore was in a TV series called The Persuaders in the 1970's that featured, among other things, an Aston Martin DBS. Perhaps the photograph you've shown is from that series. Nevertheless, if Moore did wear a GMT Master in TSWLM or any of his Bond entries I think it would be a cool addition, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 01:16 PM

http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/


Roger Moore As James Bond
From The Spy Who Loved Me?

Coke Rolex GMT Master

I am really embarrassed to admit this, but I don't know which Roger Moore James Bond movie these shots are from? I think they are from The Spy Who Loved Me? The thing that makes them unusual is that Roger Moore as James Bond is not wearing a Submariner, but a Coke Rolex GMT Master!!!

If anybody knows, please email me. I will check with Dell Deaton over at his James Bond Watches Blog. When I figure it out, I will add the pics to the James Bond Section on Jake's Rolex Watch Blog named The Complete History Of James Bond Watches, Including ALL Watches Worn in ALL James Bond Movies.

One of the reasons this is kind of profound, is because to the best of my knowledge it has never been documented that a James Bond Character wore a Rolex GMT Master in a James Bond movie, since Bond's typically wore a Rolex Submariner.

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I'm pretty sure this pic is from a 1976 Italian film Moore starred in with Stacey Keach. Not sure if it's ever been put on the US/GB market. Title was 'Gli esecutori', German title would have been something like 'Payback in San Francisco'.

Sorry, no rolex for Roger's Bond it would seem.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 01:41 PM

http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/


Roger Moore As James Bond
From The Spy Who Loved Me?

Coke Rolex GMT Master

I am really embarrassed to admit this, but I don't know which Roger Moore James Bond movie these shots are from? I think they are from The Spy Who Loved Me? The thing that makes them unusual is that Roger Moore as James Bond is not wearing a Submariner, but a Coke Rolex GMT Master!!!

If anybody knows, please email me. I will check with Dell Deaton over at his James Bond Watches Blog. When I figure it out, I will add the pics to the James Bond Section on Jake's Rolex Watch Blog named The Complete History Of James Bond Watches, Including ALL Watches Worn in ALL James Bond Movies.

One of the reasons this is kind of profound, is because to the best of my knowledge it has never been documented that a James Bond Character wore a Rolex GMT Master in a James Bond movie, since Bond's typically wore a Rolex Submariner.

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I'm pretty sure this pic is from a 1976 Italian film Moore starred in with Stacey Keach. Not sure if it's ever been put on the US/GB market. Title was 'Gli esecutori', German title would have been something like 'Payback in San Francisco'.

Sorry, no rolex for Roger's Bond it would seem.


Good call and I'm betting you meant no Rolex for Moore after TMWTGG. Am I right?

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 05:00 PM

Good call and I'm betting you meant no Rolex for Moore after TMWTGG. Am I right?



Oooops!


Yes. B)

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 02:01 AM

Good call and I'm betting you meant no Rolex for Moore after TMWTGG. Am I right?



Oooops!


Yes. B)



No problem. No one is perfect, least of all me. I've had many of what they call "senior moments". Men of a certain age I suppose.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:15 PM

http://rolexblog.blo...an-connery.html

Another great article.

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Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:30 PM

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Barely a year ago he was one of Wall Street's most powerful and wealthy figures. Then he was arrested and his massive financial empire was exposed as a fraud.

It is five months since Bernard Madoff was convicted of masterminding the world's biggest investment scam.

He was sentenced to 150 years for the Ponzi scheme, estimated to have run to £30billion, which brought him and his wife Ruth, right, a billionaire lifestyle.

Yesterday, it was payback time as Madoff's belongings were auctioned off in a fire sale in New York.

Clothes, jewellery, trinkets and household objects seized from his Manhattan penthouse, Hamptons beach house and Palm Beach estate went under the hammer, raising more than £600,000 -- about twice what had been expected.

Some lots went for considerably more than their estimates, including a wooden duck decoy. Expected to fetch just £50, it actually sold for an incredible £2,850.

A blue satin baseball jacket from the New York Mets emblazoned with the name Madoff fetched £8,700 in another of the sale's most frenzied bidding battles. It had been expected to fetch just £430.

The goods sold off offered a fascinating insight into Madoff's world. The tycoon had a huge passion for watches, 46 of which were sold yesterday - and all but one of which are pictured here with their estimated price and what they actually fetched.

Rolex was a favoured brand, ironic given that Madoff was said to have lost the Swiss company £600,000.


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1945 Vintage Rolex OP Monoblocco. £39,000 (Est: £53,500). Verdict: 'The coveted 'Prisoner's Watch' was originally sold by Rolex direct to Allied prisoners in German PoW camps. Sublime'

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1955 Rolex 'shock resisting' vintage watch. £3,000 (Est: £450). Verdict: 'Wonderful Rolex with small seconds dial and fancy, unusual lugs, ideal for fans of TV's Mad Men who wish to dress the part'

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Gent's Rolex OP Explorer. £3,000 (Est: £1,200). Verdict: 'Launched in 1953 and named in honour of Sir Edmund Hillary, this is the definitive no-nonsense wristwatch for real men. Simple and highly desirable'

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1930 vintage Rolex with green hand-engraved top sides. £2,400 (Est: £450). Verdict: 'Nice, rectangular Rolex from the early Thirties. Ornate case - perfect for evening wear. Likely to be too fragile for daily use'

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Early 1960s Rolex OP Submariner. £6,300 (Est: £1,800). Verdict: 'Madoff bought something wholly functional here. It's classic and is in magnificent original condition'

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c1921 Rolex. £2,400 (Est: £540). Verdict: 'With silver case and lovely porcelain dial, small enough for the ladies of the day, yet large enough for modern women. Intensely fashionable now'

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1934 gent's Rolex with alligator strap. £2,850 (Est: £540). Verdict: 'A handsome, mid-Thirties rectangular dress Rolex. It has a broken crystal, but a good repairer will be able to sort it'

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1935 Rolex Oyster, with gold dial. Not sold (Est: £35,000). Verdict: 'One of the finest of Bernie's vintage Rolexes, so stunning that even the hardcore collectors might forgive the restoration'

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1966 Rolex OP, 18-carat gold. £4,800 (Est: £2,700). Verdict: 'Fine, dressy gold Rolex on a strap with classic white dial. This is as perfect an accessory for business or evening wear as a pair of Cleverley shoes'

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1946 vintage 'Bubble Back' Rolex with rose gold dial. £6,300 (Est: £3,300). Verdict: 'Probably the most gorgeous of all Art Deco period watches. Case has rounded, rather than flat, back. Understated class'

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1995 Rolex Explorer II with numbered bezel. £4,800 (Est: £2,200). Verdict: 'A butch masterpiece for the inveterate traveller, the Explorer II boasts a second hand with large arrow and a 24-hour dial'

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1936 vintage Rolex. £15,000 (Est: £15,900). Verdict: 'A handsome watch, its 1.4in case makes it truly wearable, as most watches of the era are too small. Again restored, but looks professional. Desirable

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1942 vintage Rolex 18-carat gold Antimagnetique. Professionally restored. £13,500 (Est: £15,250). Verdict: 'Beautiful gold Rolex, desirable despite being restored. This is a very elegant piece'

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Forties Rolex OP Datejust with Cartier black alligator strap. £3,600 (Est: £1,800). Verdict: 'A honey of a Rolex in steel with gold bezel. Has a Art Deco feel. Timeless - as handsome now as it was more than 60 years ago'

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1940 Rolex Oyster. Rose gold bezel, yellow gold crown, professionally restored. £19,500 (Est: £38,000). Verdict: 'Eye-wateringly rare; if it hadn't been restored, this would have caused riots among bidders'



Craig is in NY - wonder if he bought any?
Gulp. B)

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Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:56 PM

For 'tactical' activity I'd probably use a Nike Triax model. ... Nothing threatening or 'tactical' at all. Main advantage: models available with push-button lightning.

Push-button lightning? Wow!! That is tactical!!

(Sorry, Trident--not picking on your typing, especially since mine is generally pretty bad. But some typos are just too fun to pass up.) B)

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 06:12 AM

For 'tactical' activity I'd probably use a Nike Triax model. ... Nothing threatening or 'tactical' at all. Main advantage: models available with push-button lightning.

Push-button lightning? Wow!! That is tactical!!

(Sorry, Trident--not picking on your typing, especially since mine is generally pretty bad. But some typos are just too fun to pass up.) B)



LOOOL! Yes, that's quite tactical... :tdown:

I generally edit 2 - 3 times per post, depending on wordcount. But that one escaped me.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 11:05 AM

Recently I leafed through the FRWL comic by McLusky. One interesting thing I noticed: the scene in which Red Grant shoots Bond's watch is prominently depicted in panel 37. It's not definitely shown, but the watch shattered by Grant's bullet looks suspiciously like a Rolex with a diver's bezel. Based on the dates of serialisation, 03.02.1960 - 21.05.1960, I wonder if McLusky and/or Gammidge contacted Fleming about the make/brand of Bond's watch and if so, if Fleming already had decided to use a Rolex/diver's watch in the future?

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:56 AM

Recently I leafed through the FRWL comic by McLusky. One interesting thing I noticed: the scene in which Red Grant shoots Bond's watch is prominently depicted in panel 37. It's not definitely shown, but the watch shattered by Grant's bullet looks suspiciously like a Rolex with a diver's bezel. Based on the dates of serialisation, 03.02.1960 - 21.05.1960, I wonder if McLusky and/or Gammidge contacted Fleming about the make/brand of Bond's watch and if so, if Fleming already had decided to use a Rolex/diver's watch in the future?


Good question. Good reference.

There's no reference that I've seen to Ian Fleming as having been a driving factor in the selection of a Rolex Submariner for James Bond, eg, Sean Connery in Dr. No. The "Cubby Broccoli supplied it," "it was really Terence Young's watch" stories have been floating around for years. In the end, none are more than speculation (and John Cork has clearly weighed into the debate by saying that interpretation of his Ron Quelch references as closing the loop are unfounded.

To sorta set parameters for this inquiry, here's what we know. Ian Fleming wrote in the summer of 1958 that James Bond wouldn't even wear a Rolex as his personal wristwatch. At the other end, we know that Ian Fleming owned and wore the Rolex Explorer 1016 upon which he based his James Bond watch descriptions in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, when writing this at Goldeneye, first quarter 1962.

Additionally, when John McLusky serialized On Her Majesty's Secret Service after Mr. Fleming's death, he provided a detailed illustration of the James Bond Rolex at panel 144. It has no diver's bezel, and features the signature Rolex date magnifier.

Last summer, the National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors published a feature article in its NAWCC Bulletin where I was able to go into a lot more detail than I was in the February 2009 WatchTime regarding just this chicken-versus-the-egg question on Rolex model selection. In part, I believe that Ian Fleming actively rejected the Submariner, and lay out the case for that.

I'm literally working with the NAWCC right now to see about posting that article in its entirety to my website - in service to really good inquiries such as you've posed here.

Thanks for considering my thoughts on this.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 12:55 PM

Ah, thanks Dell! Most informative as always.

I suspect the panel in the FRWL comic may have originated something like this:

SPECULATION!!!

Gammidge and/or McLusky wondered how to put the scene on the page. Previous watch dials in the comics didn't show a brand even if it was identified in the novel (I refer here particularly to the Patek Philippe of Drax). Maybe one or the other really contacted Fleming and he in turn had already vaguely decided to up Bond's taste in watches. If the name 'Rolex' was mentioned, then McLusky may simply have gone a bit windowshopping or browsed some magazines. The divers watch in the comic then would be simply a mix of mere chance and misunderstanding, perhaps even aided by the idea of a watch used as knuckleduster, as Fleming stated previously.

Btw: In my (limited) experience I don't really think a watch used in the manner described by Fleming would be a useful weapon. Chances are you break some of the bones in your hand and fingers by the metal casing crashing into your knuckles. A real knuckleduster is a rigid piece of metal that takes the main force of the blow and transferes it to the palm of your hand, so that your knuckles are protected. The metal bracelet of a watch would doubtlessly not be sufficient protection and the force of the impact would be projected to the area the casing covers. Not a recommended tactic in my book.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 02:31 PM

This just shows that trying to prove which watch was intended by Fleming based on an illustration in a comic strip is weak at best.

In terms of what Fleming intended for Bond to wear in the novel, well one thing is certain he never called it an "Explorer". I think it was a Rolex Oyster Perpetual on an expanding metal bracelet. That does not discount that Fleming wore a 1016 Explorer, however. When I was a relative newb, I often made the mistake of believing that Fleming was Bond, but over the years I've come to realize that Fleming was just a good writer and used fact and fiction woven together to create a compelling character. Fleming liked the sounds of things as any good writer should. That's why you have Bond using a Berns Martin triple draw holster for an automatic when it was only available for a revolver or the "Red Grant" Girard Perregaux triple date moonphase that did not exist as written until recently. It was not uncommon for Fleming to change things around or concoct things because he liked the way they sounded.

As far as the early Bond movies are concerned, Fleming certainly did not reject the use by the producers of the Submariner because he was on the set of both DN and FRWL. If he had, you might have seen Connery wearing a 1016 Explorer. Thank goodness that never happened.

Edited by Donovan Grant, 09 January 2010 - 05:05 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2010 - 05:29 PM

This just shows that trying to prove which watch was intended by Fleming based on an illustration in a comic strip is weak at best.

In terms of what Fleming intended for Bond to wear in the novel, well one thing is certain he never called it an "Explorer". I think it was a Rolex Oyster Perpetual on an expanding metal bracelet. That does not discount that Fleming wore a 1016 Explorer, however. When I was a relative noob, I often made the mistake of believing that Fleming was Bond, but over the years I've come to realize that Fleming was just a good writer and used fact and fiction woven together to create a compelling character. Fleming liked the sounds of things as any good writer should. That's why you have Bond using a Berns Martin triple draw holster for an automatic when it was only available for a revolver or the "Red Grant" Girard Perregaux triple date moonphase that did not exist as written until recently. It was not uncommon for Fleming to change things around or concoct things because he liked the way they sounded.

As far as the early Bond movies are concerned, Fleming certainly did not reject the use by the producers of the Submariner because he was on the set of both DN and FRWL. If he had, you might have seen Connery wearing a 1016 Explorer. Thank goodness that never happened.


Actually I think the Explorer would be a more natural choice for Bond than the various Submariners. It's certainly less obtrusive and garish than the diver model and while it's still rugged and reliable it doesn't have an overly sporty or athletic feel about it. For a Rolex it's really most inconspicious. I daresay that would have appealed to Bond and I can see him wearing such a model. Of course, the actual make and model may never really have bothered Fleming as he may just have made the decision when he came to the scene in OHMSS and perhaps didn't much think about further consequences. He'd most likely have been startled to learn people discuss such matters for years and in volumes in the decades after his death.