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[DamnCoffee]

Just wondering what everyone would think of the PTS to Bond 23 having nothing to do with the main story. It was a nice touch having a mini adventure for the PTS such as Goldfinger or For Your Eyes Only, Instead of having the PTS related to the actual story of the movie, such as The World is not Enough or Die Another Day.

I myself would like a mini adventure, complete with a brilliant stunt at the end to top it all off.

[Agent 76]

One like The Spy Who Loved Me, with a breathtaking stunt or one a la Goldfinger with a little story included.

[sharpshooter]

I'd like it connected to the story. Though I wouldn’t mind if it were not. Goldfinger’s PTS is pure gold (pardon the pun), and it's unconnected to the rest of the film. Though it would be impossible to match that of course.

[Professor Dent]

A brilliant stunt would be great. I think the odds are that it will have some connection to the movie versus being just a mini adventure which would be my preference.

[FlemingBond]

so many people always say the pts has nothing to do with the main plot(well mainly critics say that) but for the most part they do.
As far as the Goldfinger comparison, i wish the next movie could be like Goldfinger. Not comedic. It wasn't comedic. The lightness came from the music(and i think it's time for a new composer as well).
So yes, i think it would be nice for a short little adventure. Something fun, like either Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Where the audience is cheering at the end. You can do a fun Bond movie without it being cheesy.

[Skudor]

I'd quite fancy a unrelated PTS - with a brilliant stunt at the end as a bonus.

I have a feeling it will be related to the rest of the film though, that seems to be the trend.

[eddychaput]

so many people always say the pts has nothing to do with the main plot(well mainly critics say that) but for the most part they do.
As far as the Goldfinger comparison, i wish the next movie could be like Goldfinger. Not comedic. It wasn't comedic. The lightness came from the music(and i think it's time for a new composer as well).
So yes, i think it would be nice for a short little adventure. Something fun, like either Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Where the audience is cheering at the end. You can do a fun Bond movie without it being cheesy.

Well said. Although I 'get' what the filmmakers were going for in CR and QOS, I think we deserve a Goldfinger-esque adventure now.

[The Richmond Spy]

I think there's a perfect balance here...I don't want TWINE, but I also don't want FYEO. I want something tied to the plot, but not too much...

I think OMHSS, TSWLM, and CR do this well.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I actually caught an old Ripley's Believe It or Not recently where a bungee jumper performed a very interesting stunt: He designed the cord with a pull so that, right as he reached the ground, he could disconnect from the bungee and land safely.

It wouldn't be like GoldenEye, but I can imagine it being a small part of the PTS: Bond is in a helicopter in the dead of night, on some covert espionage mission. The chopper can't land, so Craig-Bond is hooked up to the bungee cord, jumps, and disconnects as he reaches the ground. He pauses for a moment to catch his breath and look around coldly, then, as his compatriots fly away in the helicopter, he sprints off to do whatever business his government requires.

It wouldn't take any extraordinary gadgetry, and I could easily see Craig aquitting himself in a stunt like this.

[DamnCoffee]

The chopper can't land, so Craig-Bond is hooked up to the bungee cord, jumps, and disconnects as he reaches the ground.

Didn't something similar happen like that in Resident Evil: Apocalypse?

[Mr. Blofeld]

The chopper can't land, so Craig-Bond is hooked up to the bungee cord, jumps, and disconnects as he reaches the ground.

Didn't something similar happen like that in Resident Evil: Apocalypse?

Erm... I didn't see Resident Evil: Apocalypse.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I actually caught an old Ripley's Believe It or Not recently where a bungee jumper performed a very interesting stunt: He designed the cord with a pull so that, right as he reached the ground, he could disconnect from the bungee and land safely.

It wouldn't be like GoldenEye, but I can imagine it being a small part of the PTS: Bond is in a helicopter in the dead of night, on some covert espionage mission. The chopper can't land, so Craig-Bond is hooked up to the bungee cord, jumps, and disconnects as he reaches the ground. He pauses for a moment to catch his breath and look around coldly, then, as his compatriots fly away in the helicopter, he sprints off to do whatever business his government requires.

It wouldn't take any extraordinary gadgetry, and I could easily see Craig aquitting himself in a stunt like this.

Why would he do this instead of repelling down a rope normally(which is safer, easier and probably just as quick)?

Also, I think anything involving a bungee would feel like a rehash of GoldenEye.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I actually caught an old Ripley's Believe It or Not recently where a bungee jumper performed a very interesting stunt: He designed the cord with a pull so that, right as he reached the ground, he could disconnect from the bungee and land safely.

It wouldn't be like GoldenEye, but I can imagine it being a small part of the PTS: Bond is in a helicopter in the dead of night, on some covert espionage mission. The chopper can't land, so Craig-Bond is hooked up to the bungee cord, jumps, and disconnects as he reaches the ground. He pauses for a moment to catch his breath and look around coldly, then, as his compatriots fly away in the helicopter, he sprints off to do whatever business his government requires.

It wouldn't take any extraordinary gadgetry, and I could easily see Craig aquitting himself in a stunt like this.

Why would he do this instead of repelling down a rope normally(which is safer, easier and probably just as quick)?

Also, I think anything involving a bungee would feel like a rehash of GoldenEye.

But it wouldn't; it's not like the dam jump, in that he won't be executing any unneccessarily acrobatic aerial maneuvers just to put a frackin' laser gun to a vent plate...

Also, rope rappelling has been done before: This would be new and understated, but still awesome!

[Quantumofsolace007]

not a bad idea but maybe an opening ski chase would be awesome.

[AgentBentley]

A related event in the PTS but in a totally different country and environment.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

But it wouldn't; it's not like the dam jump, in that he won't be executing any unneccessarily acrobatic aerial maneuvers just to put a frackin' laser gun to a vent plate...

The GoldenEye bungee makes more practical sense than what you are proposing.

Also, rope rappelling has been done before: This would be new and understated, but still awesome!

Of course it's been done. I was talking from a practicality point of view: what advantage would jumping out of a chopper with a rope tied to his feet present over repelling down normally?

[Captain Tightpants]

How about something that happens in media res? For example, I had this killer idea for a re-write of THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN where the titular character is an identity created by Bond, but not revealed until the ending. We see the Man with the Golden Gun performing an assassination in the very beginning in the PTS, and then the film proper begins a week beforehand, showing the events that lead up to the assassination, which is actually a deliberate miss by Bond to cause panic and get his target away from the assassin he is chasing down.

Or how about an "historic PTS" a la Clive Cussler? Cussler's books usually begin with a prologue that happenes years before the main storyline, but are very relevant to the main plot. For example, we could see the intial formation of Quantum and another spy getting very close to their inner circle before they kill him; what the spy learns becomes relevant years later as Bond starts to trackdown Quantum members.

[Mr. Blofeld]

But it wouldn't; it's not like the dam jump, in that he won't be executing any unneccessarily acrobatic aerial maneuvers just to put a frackin' laser gun to a vent plate...

The GoldenEye bungee makes more practical sense than what you are proposing.

Not really; in fact, they didn't even need the stunt. They could've just shown Bond penetrating the facility.

Also, rope rappelling has been done before: This would be new and understated, but still awesome!

Of course it's been done. I was talking from a practicality point of view: what advantage would jumping out of a chopper with a rope tied to his feet present over repelling down normally?

Not to his feet, to his waist; it secures him and lets him down at the same time.

Also, Tightpants, I like your idea of the historical PTS: One concept for that would be to use the flashback portion of the Octopussy short story, except to have Dexter Smythe be a renegade agent of Quantum who hides the gold, then shoots Hannes Oberhauser. It could even tie in with the rest of the plot, yet seem unconnected at first.

[plankattack]

Related. The minute the films return to putting stuff onscreen because "they should be there" rather than what the story demands, then I think the films run the risk of lapsing into formula. Same can be said for Q, MP, or anything else that anyone of us "believe" should be in a Bond-film. I do want something that is short and punchy. Both the PTS of CR and QoS were shorter, hearkening back to the older films - FRWL through to DAF; all those PTSs were short, punchier (in most cases literally as well as figuratively) and whetted the appetite for what was to come.

While I enjoyed the TWINE boatchase, I felt DAD was too long, too repetitive, and too much like an amalgamation of the two films that preceeded it. I don't want a whole film before the credits, and since the TSWLM ski-jump, the PTS has got longer and longer, each time attempting to top the previous, regardless of the story to follow.

Keep it short, and let's get on with the show.

[trs007]

I'd like a return to days of old and have a stand-alone PTS. Plus, gives the chance for the filmmakers to show Bond having more of a mission history rather than just assuming CR and QoS since his "00".

[mister-white]

I've had a few ideas on 23's PTS:

On one hand, I've missed the classic Bond elements that have been missing in the past couple of films (although I do prefer the threats being more realistic as they are) and no way better to bring those back by starting off the film with the classic gunbarrel (would you believe it'll be the first Bond in at least 11 years to do so!) then have just a fun little no- nonsense adventure to start off (and please, keep it a couple of minutes- no running on for 20 minutes then stopping for the titles). Then go to a very classic style opening titles from Dan Kleinman (please, for the love of god, bring him back, MK12 was crap).

And on the other hand, something that would definitely be new, and probably unpopular with the fan community, but why not do what Jeff Abrams did on Mission: Impossible and slice an important clip from the film's finale into the start to get the puzzle started.

Or just do what I think was Forster's plan for QoS, and use a similar style gunbarrel, where it morphs into the films logo, but at the start, so that'll be you title, then have all the main cast and crew credits at the end, with a big long graphic design that continues through the normal credit roll. Then the entire film will be one long PTS.

But I prefer the first of my ideas.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

I would love a PTS like GF. The success of this was IMO its mis-en-scene in addition to it being unconnected to the main plot. Didn't rely on a massive stunt either for its impact. Showing Bond being Bond in an unconnected story, well lit and with cinematic style injected into each frame, with Craig as Bond would be amazing.

[Martini]

I too love the idea of a historical PTS. Maybe they could go so far to show a crucial moment in the life of the head of Quantum, something that made him evil, like the brilliant beginning of X-Men.

[Captain Tightpants]

But is Quantum necessarily evil?

Personally, I like to think of them as something that started out as a philanthropic venture, but corrupted itself by its own devices. For example, Quantum could have been a group of powerful men who first came together to try and secure a future for planet earth in looking into something to support the world economy once oil runs out (DC has commented that he thinks Quantum is trying to become an economic powerhouse in their own right). However, the original members died out and the torch was passed from father to son, and the organisation started to lose the thread of its original intentions. Rather than being for the benefit of mankind, Quantum is now self-serving, looking to find a method for the post-oil economy, but with them in control of it.

I don't think anyone is born pure evil because actions in and of themselves are - for the most part - not evil (there are exceptions; you can probably name them ... rape, murder, torture, genocide, etc). Intentions, on the other hand, have the potential to be that way, because as the Bard once said, there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. Case in point: terrorism. What we see as being evil is actually an act of good to the people carrying out attacks. Because of that, I don't think it would be possible to show one event in the life of the head of Quantum that turned him down the "Path of Evil". It would be a gradual thing, and if this is indeed what Quantum is, I think it would be fascinating to explore it in-depth over the course of a film. But while one event twisting a person beyond the point of salvation might have stuck in the past - like Scaramanga snapping when he saw the trainer kill the elephant he had befriended - mordern audiences are a whole lot smarter. So I don't think they could really do such a thing justice in five minutes' of film.

[eddychaput]

I say we keep Quantum in the shadows for the movie and have a revelation near the end.

I'd like the PTS to take place underwater.

[Hitmonk]

The different tone of the PTS' for CR and QOS have both been excellent in my opinion, so something similarly short and snappy and unconventional would do very nicely.

Mind you, it's going to be hard to be this innovative for every film, without this becoming a gimick in itself.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I say we keep Quantum in the shadows for the movie and have a revelation near the end.

I'd like the PTS to take place underwater.

I just thought of a cool prtitl sequenc taking from part of the climax of live and let die (the novl) we see bond puting mines on boats some one comes up from behind a fight under water braks out bond kills the other guy cue titles .


short effective and cool.

[tim partridge]

So yes, i think it would be nice for a short little adventure. Something fun, like either Goldfinger, or Octopussy. Where the audience is cheering at the end. You can do a fun Bond movie without it being cheesy.

[Agent 76]

"Next he examined a faint trace of talcum powder on the inner rim of the porcelain handle of the clothes cupboard. It appeared immaculate. He went into the bathroom, lifted the cover of the lavatory cistern and verified the level of the water against a small scratch on the copper ball-cock.

Doing all this, inspecting these minute burglar alarms, did not make him feel foolish or self-conscious. He was a secret agent, and still alive thanks to his exact attention to the detail of his profession. Routine precautions were to him no more unreasonable than they would be to a deep-sea diver or a test pilot, or to any man earning danger-money.

Satisfied that his room had not been searched while he was at the casino. Bond undressed and took a cold shower. Then he lit his seventieth cigarette of the day and sat down at the writing-table with the thick wad of his stake money and winnings beside him and entered some figures in a small notebook. Over the two days' play, he was up exactly three million francs. In London he had been issued with ten million, and he had asked London for a further ten. With this on its way to the local branch of Credit Lyonnais, his working capital amounted to twenty-three million francs, or some twenty-three thousand pounds.

For a few moments Bond sat motionless, gazing out of the window across the dark sea, then he shoved the bundle of banknotes under the pillow of the ornate single bed, cleaned his teeth, turned out the lights and climbed with relief between the harsh French sheets. For ten minutes he lay on his left side reflecting on the events of the day. Then he turned over and focused his mind towards the tunnel of sleep.

His last action was to slip his right hand under the pillow until it rested under the butt of the .38 Colt Police Positive with the sawn barrel. Then he slept, and with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished, his features relapsed into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal, and cold..." quote from Casino Royale

Then James Bond wakes up in his office at MI6, where he suddenly realizes it was just a dream, a very intense dream. Bond lights a cigarette and goes by the window looking at a very rainy London. Minutes later he receives an urgent call from M's secretary, for him to report immediatly.

credits roll

[tdalton]

Perhaps the PTS could be one that appeared to be unrelated to the main plot of the film, but was later revealed (through some kind of a plot twist) that it was actually a major part of the plot.