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[marktmurphy]

Then you're going to have a field day, because it seems that not one but two "world of Jason Bourne" spinoffs are in the pipeline. Bourne will (not) be back not only on the big screen but also on the small, for the creator of CSI is reportedly developing a show for CBS entitled TREADSTONE, which will presumably follow the exploits of Bourne's old black ops outfit.

Oh I don't like the sound of that.

[Loomis]

Bourne continuation novelist Eric Van Lustbader (author of THE BOURNE LEGACY and other books in the post-Ludlum series) has weighed in with comments defending Gilroy's upcoming Bourne-free film and reassuring fans that the character will return to cinema screens in the future, with or without Damon.

Bourne lives in a universe that the first three films barely touched. In my novels, that universe is fully fleshed out. Tony is working on doing the same thing for the film version of "Legacy." ... Tony has written the screenplays for all three Bourne films. I can confidently say that he and I know more about Jason Bourne than any other living human being.

As of today, Matt has stated that he doesn't want to come back to the franchise. No one could be sadder about that than I am. What I wrote in the previous post was a simple statement of fact. I love Matt and I love what he's done for Bourne. But reality has to be faced.

Whatever happens with The Bourne Legacy film, I have full faith that Jason Bourne will return in the fifth film. Tony has said so. And, by the way, the Bond analogy is correct. When Bourne returns he will have to be played by someone else, unless Matt changes his mind. I personally will shoot off fireworks if he does decide to come back, but if he doesn't the franchise must move on, just as the Bond franchise did after Connery bowed out. ... There are two issues here: first, the fourth film, The Bourne Legacy, as of today, will have Bourne in it, possibly through footage from the previous films, perhaps not. Either way, Tony Gilroy, Bourne's film "father," wants to open up Bourne's world to show us what it's like. Very difficult to do while giving Bourne a mission to pursue. Second: the fifth film will definitely star Jason Bourne.

http://nymag.com/dai...urne_movie.html

[Tarl_Cabot]

new hero = Pamela Landy, Nikki(?)

[Matt_13]

Well, we know Nikki Parsons was sort of a therapist for the agents. Maybe we'll see more of her Psych. background in this sequel? I think a psychological thriller could work just as well as any actioner so long as the writing is tight. I really just can't see where he's going with this. one thing is certain, however, and that's that the media is definitely paying attention. Well played Gilroy, your bluntness regarding the plot just earned you countless curiosity points.

[Aris007]

People in Hollywood need to understand that "Greed is not always good." For me this final instalment will destrpy what the three others built. Greengrass is not onboard which is certainly a drawback. I admitt that his camera choices were wrong, but that doesn't mean he's nor suitable for the director's chair. Likewise I can't think of where the story will go. I mean Bourne found about his past, things are over. I can'y think of a reasonable story that will stick to the others and will keep the standards that the three before this set.

[Loomis]

For me this final instalment will destrpy what the three others built.

Well, it's not supposed to be the final instalment. It's a sort of bridging film between THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM and BOURNE 5, in which Jason Bourne will reappear, whether played by Damon or someone else.

Greengrass is not onboard which is certainly a drawback. I admitt that his camera choices were wrong, but that doesn't mean he's nor suitable for the director's chair.

I'm a bit bored with Greengrass, particularly after the disappointment that was GREEN ZONE and finding out how much stronger Tony Gilroy's ULTIMATUM script was in comparison to the finished film. I think the Bourne saga needs a new director and new blood at this point. In any case, perhaps Greengrass can return for a future film in the series.

Likewise I can't think of where the story will go. I mean Bourne found about his past, things are over. I can'y think of a reasonable story that will stick to the others and will keep the standards that the three before this set.

But perhaps Gilroy can.

[Loomis]

James Franco is supposedly in the frame to star in this new one.

http://www.moviehole...lead-new-bourne

And here's some intriguing news on the story:

While he wouldn’t go into specifics, Gilroy said of the plot : “..you saw the other three films, you know everything that happened, and it’s not a dream sequence. What I can say is, you thought that was the whole world, but it was a small piece of what was going on. Ultimatum exploded at the end with people arrested. We deal with that as a reality, it has ramifications that echo out into the larger world. And of course, Jason Bourne is still alive and out there in the world. I don’t want to go beyond that, because the last thing I need is for every blogger to be second guessing.”

[Simon]

It does seem a novel way of continuing a series of films, a title and reference to the lead character being the extension of its involvement.

Am very curious to see how and where they take it.

[Cody]

Gilroy Casts Net For 'Bourne' Spinoff

The hot role for young actors right now is the lead in The Bourne Identity spinoff that will start production this fall with Tony Gilroy directing his script for Universal. Here are the names I've heard have met with Gilroy or are otherwise in the mix: Joel Edgerton, Josh Hartnett, Jake Gyllenhaal, Tobey Maguire, Paul Dano, Michael Pitt, Oscar Isaac, Garrett Hedlund, Michael Fassbender, Luke Evans, Alex Pettyfer, Taylor Kitsch, Benjamin Walker. Gilroy will pare the list quickly. Several of the actors might have availability issues.

[Cody]

Deadline reports that Jeremy Renner has been offered the lead:

Renner, who has been nominated for Oscars the past two years for his work in The Hurt Locker and The Town, is expected to sign on quickly to play a new character in the spinoff film that begins production in September. Like the Jason Bourne character played by Matt Damon in the first three The Bourne Identity thrillers, Renner will play an operative from a covert government program that is even more dangerous than the Treadstone brainwashing program that hatched Bourne.

Renner was one of the names rumored as the studio went through two cycles of tests over eight weeks to find the right guy. That decision was made today. Even though Renner plays an operative in the upcoming Mission: Impossible-Ghost Protocol, the studio felt clearly that he was in a position similar to where Damon was when his career took off with Bourne.

[Matt_13]

Here we go. Looks so-so to me. What do you guys think?

[The Dove]

I'm certainly curious as to how this will go.. Liked Jeremy Renner in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol so I think he definitely has the acting chops to pull off a Bourne-like character.. I suspect that if Bourne Legacy flops, Universal will be bowing to every demand that Matt Damon and Paul Greengrass make to have them return for a 5th Bourne film..

[killkenny kid]

No more dumb shaky cam and kinetic editing. Oh joy, joy. I may go see this one.

[Chief of SIS]

Nice segue in the beginning of the trailer. However, the trailer makes it feel almost like a cheap straight to DVD sequel that relies heavy on material from the established franchise that came before it. I'll be watching. As always, too early to judge.

[tdalton]

I really liked what I saw from that trailer. Hopefully we're getting a film that doesn't rely on all that shaky cam nonsense that Greengrass employed for his two films. I thoroughly enjoyed THE BOURNE IDENTITY, but couldn't stand either ULTIMATUM or SUPREMACY, and I would have skipped another Damon/Greengrass entry in the series, but I'm interested in seeing this one.

[SecretAgentFan]

I also would like the shaky cam disappear - but since it is associated so much with BOURNE I´m wondering if Gilroy is allowed to approach it differently.

I do think, however, that casting Albert Finney in SKYFALL is pretty strange, considering that he will feature in this new BOURNE film again.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Well, as long as he's not the new Ted Wass...

Anyway, I'm fine with this. I wouldn't be surprised if Damon does play Bourne again at some point, though.

Nah; Bourne'll pop up at the end of the film played by Roger Moore.

Or they will just use old outtakes of Matt Damon and include them in the film.

I think Damon is practically guaranteed to play Bourne again at some point (most probably in a late-in-the-day comeback a la Connery in NSNA, Ford in CRYSTAL SKULL, Willis in DIE HARD 4.0, Stallone in ROCKY BALBOA, etc.), if only because it'd be by far his biggest payday ever (unless in the meantime he gets involved in a new franchise that becomes even more successful than Bourne). We may have to wait twenty years (or more) for it, but his return to the role of Jason Bourne is virtually certain to happen.

I don't know about that. The Bourne movies were certainly popular, but not as popular or iconic as Bond, Indy Jones, Rocky etc. I just don't see people giving a crap about Matt Damon as Bourne 20 years from now.

Live Free or Die Hard was hardly on box office fire compared to the earlier films.

Totally agree!!

Particularly having in mind that Bourne, outside the States- beyond some action movies fans-, wasn't really popular.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Well I definitely think the Bourne films are action classics in their own rights, and are largely responsible for the new direction of Bond.

I disagree!!

I can admit that QOS was influenced by Bourne, but not CR (the idea for the reboot existed since 1986, and the down to earth approach is inspired and based on the novel of the same name) .

[Matt_13]

I still think the combo of Bourne and Batman Begins gave the producers a nudge, just like the gritty actioners of the eighties did the same for when Dalton came on board.

Also, agree entirely with what Chief of SIS said. Exact same feelings here, man.

[Aris007]

Well the trailer doesn't say much. That's good!

To me it looks promising. I might pay it a visit once it's released.

[SecretAgentFan]

I still think the combo of Bourne and Batman Begins gave the producers a nudge, just like the gritty actioners of the eighties did the same for when Dalton came on board.

Interestingly, the first BOURNE film (not really the first, but the first of the new trilogy) was released in 2002. Around that time or even earlier EON got the rights to "Casino Royale". They always wanted to do it. And after DAD (2002) they could have done another Brosnan Bond - but instead they chose to wait and think. The second BOURNE was released in 2004. Around that time EON decided to do "Casino Royale" with a new Bond actor. CR was released in 2006 - and did not look like BOURNE SUPREMACY at all. However, it made tons of money and was received extremely well. The third BOURNE was released in 2007. During that time QOS was already conceived. So, if QOS was inspired by the stunts and editing of BOURNE, it must have been the second BOURNE that was looked at. Which curiously did not inspire CR.

Could it be that the style of QOS was mostly an idea of Marc Forster?

[The Shark]

CR was released in 2006 - and did not look like BOURNE SUPREMACY at all.

I don't know about that. The chroma blue look of the Miami scenes along with the music reminds me of SUPREMACY.

[SecretAgentFan]

Okay. But no Shaky Cam or did I miss it?

[The Shark]

There is handheld camera used (i.e. the shot of Bond pushing throw the crowd under the spray) but not extensively.

[Matt_13]

The influence of the Bourne pictures on Bond was not in the visual style. In that regard they are completely different animals (except QoS, which had Dan Bradley working the second unit). What I meant was that before the Bourne films, the James Bond series had become a repetitive exercise in gadgets and poor puns. What Bourne did differently was largely dropping the gadgets from the spy genre, putting higher emphasis on raw physicality and athleticism, and using dark humor rather than in your face gags. Bond adopted all of these traits for Casino Royale. They always wanted to do the book, that's fine, but the way they went about adapting the story was definitely more in the vein of The Bourne Identity/Supremacy than what had been seen before in previous Bond films. Bourne took a lot of cues from Bond, but I'd argue that in recent years, Bond has taken more cues from Bourne, and it shows. Skyfall appears to be developing it's own identity, making use of the terror state the world has adopted while injecting a fresh take on the classic formula. Casino Royale did this well, but to an extent, it had Bourne to thank for the new found edge. Just my two cents.

[Skudor]

Yep. It's all pretty incestuous. Jason Bourne is a big nod to James Bond, who in turn took some inspiration from the former.

The difference is that in 20 years time they'll be continuing the James Bond series, but remaking the the Bourne triology.

[Matt_13]

Correct.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

There is handheld camera used (i.e. the shot of Bond pushing throw the crowd under the spray) but not extensively.

Bourne movies didn't invent the use of hanheld camera, what they patented (particularly since Bourne Supremacy) was the extreme use of that technic, even for scenes that didn' have that much action; so you can't say that CR was influenced by Bourne flicks just because they used in some action scenes handheld camera.

Regarding the "chroma blue look" of the Miami airport scenes... I find blue a very proper and almost an obvious choise for a night scene with extensive action, besides Phil Meheux used a different colour for every major action scene, it's not like he have chosen blue for almost all the scenes (even for the ones that happens at the daylight- which seems to be the case of Greengrass's Bourne-).

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 09 February 2012 - 06:33 PM.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

The influence of the Bourne pictures on Bond was not in the visual style. In that regard they are completely different animals (except QoS, which had Dan Bradley working the second unit). What I meant was that before the Bourne films, the James Bond series had become a repetitive exercise in gadgets and poor puns. What Bourne did differently was largely dropping the gadgets from the spy genre, putting higher emphasis on raw physicality and athleticism, and using dark humor rather than in your face gags. Bond adopted all of these traits for Casino Royale. They always wanted to do the book, that's fine, but the way they went about adapting the story was definitely more in the vein of The Bourne Identity/Supremacy than what had been seen before in previous Bond films. Bourne took a lot of cues from Bond, but I'd argue that in recent years, Bond has taken more cues from Bourne, and it shows. Skyfall appears to be developing it's own identity, making use of the terror state the world has adopted while injecting a fresh take on the classic formula. Casino Royale did this well, but to an extent, it had Bourne to thank for the new found edge. Just my two cents.

"Dropping the gadgets from the spy genre, putting higher emphasis on raw physicality and athleticism" it's an approach that have happened many times before in the history of Bond after an excess of fantasy within the line of the EON series (i.e. FYEO after MR or OHMSS after YOLT). And where's the "dark humor", or the humor at all, in the Bourne movies (specially, in the Greengrass ones)??

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 09 February 2012 - 06:55 PM.

[The Shark]

the James Bond series had become a repetitive exercise in gadgets and poor puns.

Arguably so, though at least they had sex, humour (bad or not), and colour. Staples of the franchise that the Craig kicked out door.

Regarding the "chroma blue look" of the Miami airport scenes... I find blue a very proper and almost an obvious choise for a night scene with extensive action ...

Perhaps, but I just found the metallic sheen of it ugly to look at that. Another example of digital grading botching CR's cinematography.