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[Bondian]

During the interrogation scene. Greene's unintentional impression of 'Zippy' in 'Rainbow'.

Huh? Greene didn't have an interrogation scene. Don't you mean White?

To wit: WTF?

Ah, sorry. I must be colour blind.

[Judo chop]

Negative way: Bond shouting, "You and I have a mutual friend!"

For those who don't like this line, would it have been better had Bond said, "For Mathis!" or "This is for Mathis!"

Personally, I don't mind either of the film version although I would lean toward either of my quotes. Regardless, I think something needs to be said there so the audience can remember that the man Bond is shooting is the guy who betrayed Mathis--someone who has barely been on screen before and is not well seen behind the refractive windshield.

Well, I think it is the most awkward line in the film, but I wouldn't label it a WTF moment. It's pretty clear what's happening. I'm with you Double-Oh Agent that something needs to be said for the dual purpose of the audience's benefit, but also b/c it suits Bond and the scene. I believe Bond would WANT to say something. There's something satisfying about having your say before having your vengeance.

I think Bond's line is workable, but it fails a little b/c it's too wordy for such a quick scene. Had the sequence allowed Bond a little more time, it would have been fine. Given the rush of the moment, I think I like your final quote the best.

But your first quote is my least fave of the three. Sounds like Goldeneye.

[D. Bond]

How about the scene when Bond breaks the door handle off of the restroom.

That's a definite WTF moment!

[Bondian]

How about the scene when Bond breaks the door handle off of the restroom.

That's a definite WTF moment!

Someone already answered that question saying that it would be quite easily.

It's almost as weird as Greene being able to push Camille through half-a-ton of marble balustrade. Even if the marble was loose, it would still be near impossible to do this.

[D. Bond]

Someone already answered that question saying that it would be quite easily.

whoops sorry didn't see that

LMAO... what about Greene's final line...

"I answered your questions, I told you everything you wanted to know about KWANTEM"

Everyone in the cinema was like WTF.

That wasn't really a WTF (for me at least), I was probably the only one in the theater laughing. I found it humorous.

Another WTF was when it first switches to the scene on the plane and Elvis is stirring his tea. He asks something like "So, how far are we?" or something similar and no one seems to hear that he talked. I'm guessing that was intentional but I was like WTF?

Edited by D. Bond, 24 November 2008 - 08:55 PM.

[Judo chop]

How about the scene when Bond breaks the door handle off of the restroom.

That's a definite WTF moment!

Suspension of disbelief works for me there. He's really strong, and the handle's design offers some good leverage and is particularly weak. It's just a bathroom in an opera house, not the archives @ MI6. I bet I could rip the crappy doorknob off of my bedroom door in a few tries.

I see that it's a stretch, but it's still plausible. Doesn't qualify as a 'WTF', IMO.

Another WTF was when it first switches to the scene on the plane and Elvis is stirring his tea. He asks something like "So, how far are we?" or something similar and no one seems to hear that he talked. I'm guessing that was intentional but I was like WTF?

Please see my thread titled ELVIS: THE KING, D. Bond. Hopefully there you'll find the answers you seek.

[Bondian]

Someone already answered that question saying that it would be quite easily.

whoops sorry didn't see that

Not you fault, mate. There's questions and answers in so many threads.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Negative way: Bond shouting, "You and I have a mutual friend!"

For those who don't like this line, would it have been better had Bond said, "For Mathis!" or "This is for Mathis!"

Personally, I don't mind either of the film version although I would lean toward either of my quotes. Regardless, I think something needs to be said there so the audience can remember that the man Bond is shooting is the guy who betrayed Mathis--someone who has barely been on screen before and is not well seen behind the refractive windshield.

Well, I think it is the most awkward line in the film, but I wouldn't label it a WTF moment. It's pretty clear what's happening. I'm with you Double-Oh Agent that something needs to be said for the dual purpose of the audience's benefit, but also b/c it suits Bond and the scene. I believe Bond would WANT to say something. There's something satisfying about having your say before having your vengeance.

I think Bond's line is workable, but it fails a little b/c it's too wordy for such a quick scene. Had the sequence allowed Bond a little more time, it would have been fine. Given the rush of the moment, I think I like your final quote the best.

But your first quote is my least fave of the three. Sounds like Goldeneye.

I think Bond would want to say something as well, not just for himself but to let Carlos know why as well (his past deeds come back to haunt him). I refrained from mentioning it as a second reason because I thought some people that love the film might think that the new Bond wouldn't say anything, and I didn't want to lose the focus of my post.

[marktmurphy]

Negative way: Bond shouting, "You and I have a mutual friend!"

For those who don't like this line, would it have been better had Bond said, "For Mathis!" or "This is for Mathis!"

Personally, I don't mind either of the film version although I would lean toward either of my quotes. Regardless, I think something needs to be said there so the audience can remember that the man Bond is shooting is the guy who betrayed Mathis--someone who has barely been on screen before and is not well seen behind the refractive windshield.

Well exactly- see "Compliments of Sharkey" for how to do this line properly!

[Dread]

For me it was definitely M's cold cream / drawing a bath sequence. Are we really expected to accept Judi Dench as our new Bond girl like Barbara Broccoli has stated? I'm as opened minded as the next guy but this is taking political correctness to the nth degree. Broccoli, Wilson (and even Craig with his infamous desire to give Bond a gay scene) are destroying the franchise by neutering it.

Factually erroneous on all counts, I'm afraid. The statement attributed to Barbara Broccoli was never made, and Craig, in recent interviews, has twice given the lie to this silly statement about the gay love scene.

Given the tempo of the action scenes and the intensity of the emotions on display, both akin to those established by Ian Fleming, it's astonishing that anyone could say that EON is neutering James Bond.

Turning Bond into a politically correct, non-womanizing, lovesick worm is about as far from Fleming as EON can take the character. I'm still stunned that we saw more of Judi Dench than any of the attractive women that are a staple of the Bond cannon. If EON keeps this up, I guarantee you the franchise won't survive and doesn't deserve to.

[Germanlady]

For me, the biggest WTF moment is the dogfight/freefall. Suddenly, in the midst of a suitably gritty, Craigian flick, the Brosnan era is back, only with Moore-era FX.

This is where the Craig era jumps the shark and nukes the fridge. Come back, glacier surfing in DIE ANOTHER DAY, all is forgiven.

Complaining about this is as if you would have a go at the poisioning scene in CR and as far as I recall it, NOBODY ever did. I see no reason to do it here. Both were great exciting scenes and worked very well. ( I liked the plane chase and the freefall best) As already mentioned - this is Bond...

[Elvenstar]

The line about florists was one of the best in the film! "When someone says 'We have people everywhere, you expect it to be hyperbole. Florists say it all the time!" just goes to show how complacent MI6 had gotten.

Funny. Hrere it was translated smth like "Reporters say it all the time".

- Corrine saying thank you to Bond.. that was really WTF

The whole crowd was laughing (so was I). It ruined the tension of the scene for me (something like 'little finger' bit in CR)

And the biggest WTF moments- the resolution to the boat and plane chases. I had no idea what was happening. Sitting in the cinema shaking your head is not a good sign.

Agree with the boat chase but plane chase was all right.

[dee-bee-five]

Turning Bond into a politically correct, non-womanizing, lovesick worm is about as far from Fleming as EON can take the character.

If they had, I'd agree with you. But they haven't. Quite the reverse.

[byline]

- When M smashes the ashtray and rambles on about Florists.

I thought that line was hysterical! Doesn't she say something like, "When people say they're everywhere, you're not supposed to take them literally. Florists say that!"

Oh, what about...

"YOU AND I HAD A MUTUAL FRIEND!" *BANG!!!!!!!*

What is so WTF about that?

Well, for a start it isn't especially clever, and it isn't even clear (to this dufus, at least) to whom Bond is referring.

To me, it was quite clear: Mathis. He wanted the Carlos to know, right before he died, that this was payback for what Carlos had done to Mathis. I thought it was absolutely perfect, but to each his/her own.

The only line that I thought didn't ring quite true was the stationery line, but I've heard far, far worse in Bond films, so I can let this one go.

- Gregg Beams laugh in the plane sequence, when talking to Greene.

This one. The whole Gregg Beam persona is a bit strange. Had me WTF whenever he was on screen. Or is it just because he looks like Ned Flanders?

Every scene he was in had a serious "Huh?" element to it, but I thought that was the point; he looks like this benign dufus, but underneath the goofy exterior he is quite a dangerous snake.

- Corrine saying thank you to Bond.. that was really WTF

One of my favorite moments in the film; so much is said with so few words. In the space of a few seconds, we see (and so does Bond) Corinne going through everything Vesper went through in the entirety of "Casino Royale"; brilliant!

Edited by byline, 26 November 2008 - 05:38 PM.

[byline]

For me it was definitely M's cold cream / drawing a bath sequence. Are we really expected to accept Judi Dench as our new Bond girl like Barbara Broccoli has stated? I'm as opened minded as the next guy but this is taking political correctness to the nth degree. Broccoli, Wilson (and even Craig with his infamous desire to give Bond a gay scene) are destroying the franchise by neutering it.

Craig never said that. You're drawing on inaccurate information for that comment. If you're going to complain about the direction the series has taken, at least draw on facts, not something manufactured by a dubious faction of the media.

As for M, that was hardly a "Bond girl" moment. We're seeing M doing the things she would ordinarily do in her life, all while simultaneously ordering that Bond be stripped of his financial assets, limiting his movements. I thought it was a great moment showing the juxtaposition of what we would consider to be ordinary behavior with the extraordinary demands of MI6.

The one remaining WTF is the sudden boat flip. I don’t think the answer to that one can be found in this universe where the laws of physics are, as far as I am aware, constant.

Yeah, three viewings later, I'm still wrestling with that one.

Negative way: Bond shouting, "You and I have a mutual friend!"

For those who don't like this line, would it have been better had Bond said, "For Mathis!" or "This is for Mathis!"

LOL, please no!

[DavidSomerset]

Negative way: Bond shouting, "You and I have a mutual friend!"

For those who don't like this line, would it have been better had Bond said, "For Mathis!" or "This is for Mathis!"

LOL, please no!

I think Paul Haggis wanted to do a Scarface here with "Say hello to my little friend". That's what I felt when I saw it first time in the theater. And no, it was not WTF for me.

[RedKelly]

Well for me it was near the end in the finale scene with Camille when she says "Thank you." Bond's response is "It's been my pleasure." I just felt uneasy about it. I mean Bond can lighten up a bit it felt like something my father would say. Not the same situation though.

[byline]

Well for me it was near the end in the finale scene with Camille when she says "Thank you." Bond's response is "It's been my pleasure." I just felt uneasy about it. I mean Bond can lighten up a bit it felt like something my father would say. Not the same situation though.

I felt that Craig imbued that line with so much warmth that I got what he meant. She is thanking him . . . for everything. And he is saying that he's happy to have been able to do that for her. It's all verbal shorthand meant to convey a lot more than it does on the surface. Or, at least, that's the way I saw/heard it.

[Judo chop]

I thought it was a great moment showing the juxtaposition of what we would consider to be ordinary behavior with the extraordinary demands of MI6.

I'm wondering if we can ask the moderating team to send out a member-wide notice explaining what "juxtaposition" means, and why it can be considered a benefit to film. Because it seems like it's being sorely underappreciated by those who should value it the most. ie. the "Bond fans".

The one remaining WTF is the sudden boat flip. I don’t think the answer to that one can be found in this universe where the laws of physics are, as far as I am aware, constant.

Yeah, three viewings later, I'm still wrestling with that one.

Maybe all your wrestling with it is what caused it to flip?

[tdalton]

Well for me it was near the end in the finale scene with Camille when she says "Thank you." Bond's response is "It's been my pleasure." I just felt uneasy about it. I mean Bond can lighten up a bit it felt like something my father would say. Not the same situation though.

I felt that Craig imbued that line with so much warmth that I got what he meant. She is thanking him . . . for everything. And he is saying that he's happy to have been able to do that for her. It's all verbal shorthand meant to convey a lot more than it does on the surface. Or, at least, that's the way I saw/heard it.

That's how I took the scene as well. It was very well acted by Craig, and the "thank you" line by Corinne was a very appropriate line there, given all that Bond had just saved her from.

[byline]

I thought it was a great moment showing the juxtaposition of what we would consider to be ordinary behavior with the extraordinary demands of MI6.

I'm wondering if we can ask the moderating team to send out a member-wide notice explaining what "juxtaposition" means, and why it can be considered a benefit to film. Because it seems like it's being sorely underappreciated by those who should value it the most. ie. the "Bond fans".

Here, I'll help:

juxtaposition

1. an act or instance of placing close together or side by side, esp. for comparison or contrast.
2. the state of being close together or side by side.

The one remaining WTF is the sudden boat flip. I don’t think the answer to that one can be found in this universe where the laws of physics are, as far as I am aware, constant.

Yeah, three viewings later, I'm still wrestling with that one.

Maybe all your wrestling with it is what caused it to flip?

LOL! Touché.