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The Worst Film in the Series


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#1 Bill

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:33 PM

CONTAINS SPOILERS

I have been a Bond fan since I was 11 years old, when I saw Moonraker on the big screen. Since then I have seen each film opening day or in advance of the actual opening (except FYEO which I saw the Tuesday after it opened, with my dad, on vacation). I have walked out of the theatre after seeing every one, with the feeling that I had just seen at the very least a good film, and in some instances, a truly great film. I saw QOS on Friday, and I hate to say, I walked out shaking my head, and had just seen a mediocre film.

I say mediocre, as I would not want to use words like terrible or horrid. While I understand the point of view of some on these forums in using terminology like that, I still hold the James Bond films up as the best movies ever, and that should never be one that is truly awful. QOS has just barely enough going for it to give credence to it still being a Bond film, and save it from a completely negative review.

First, the good points. Daniel Craig does another excellent job. He is a damn good actor, and he is fine in portraying the angst that Bond goes through. Having said that, he does little to portray the suaveness and sophistication that his predecessors showed, and which he first brought to light, slightly, once he donned the tux in Casino Royale. Here, there is no equivalent scene.

The rest of the cast is also very good. Judi Dench is excellent as M, showing some real emotion, and the rest of the MI6 crew is very good. It is nice to see Bill Tanner make an appearance, and Rory Kinnear is fine in the role. Olga Kurylenko is a beautiful and capable Bond girl, who reminded me a lot of Domino in Thunderball. She did a nice job of evoking the horror that she went through in her childhood. A good performance. Gemma Arterton is very cute as Miss Fields. The villains are very sleazy with Mathieu Almaric particularly effective. Jeffrey Wright is as good here as he was in Casino Royale, and while David Hedison is my favorite Leiter, Wright plays the role well. However, the same complaint applies to him as it does to Bond—no sophistication at all—in that he appeared to be kind of a bum the way he was dressed, smoking the cigar, etc. Not that Leiter was ever smooth like Bond, but more of an every man. Here he was just a slob—again, probably the script more then the performance. The nature of his relationship with Bond is a major problem, however, and I will discuss that further below.

David Arnold provides another great score. Next time, though—more Bond theme. The gunbarrel did have probably his most traditional arrangement, however, and that was perfect. Speaking of the gunbarrel, I was very happy to see it back. If its presence is meant to state that Bond is indeed now what he has always been prior to CR, and that he now deserves it, then its placement at the end makes sense. Next time, though, it should be at the beginning. I thought Craig’s stance was fine, but he is a little too fast. The choice of a suit as opposed to a tux is also okay, especially that the first time Bond was in a tux in the gunbarrel was in TSWLM. Also, the gunbarrel should be the traditional one—with the rifling back the way it was. The animated blood wash should also be the more iconic version rather then what we saw here. Still, its presence alone makes the gunbarrel a highlight.

Other positives are nods to previous films. The R. Sterling on the ID, the Goldfinger tribute. And perhaps most importantly, the return of the PPK.

Having said all of that, here are the negatives:

1. The action scenes. Much has been said about them being too fast, so I do not know what else to add, but that is absolutely correct. They are way too fast to the point of the audience not knowing what the hell is going on. For example, the revelation of Mitchell as the traitor. Can anyone really tell me that they were able to tell for sure that M had not been shot in that scene, because it looked that way to me, which led me to wonder why Bond did not stay to help her and for that matter, to secure White. Completely irresponsible on the part of Bond and on the part of the Foster. The foot chase afterward was cut too fast—I could not get a feeling for where Bond was in relation to Mitchell half the time.

2. The arthouse nonsense. Sorry to say, Bond is not the place to experiment with different ways to tell a story. It should be straightforward without extraneous information on screen. Thus, why the hell did we keep cutting to the horses in Siena if they had nothing to do with the story? Also, the shoot-em-up in the Opera, with the slow motion and no sound looked just ridiculous. Something similar may have worked in The Godfather, but not Bond.

3. The script. First, if you did not see Casino Royale you would have been lost. A lot is expected of the general audience to remember what they may have experienced, one time, for two and a half hours two years ago. Remember, I am talking about the general audience—not the people who post to these forums. My friend saw the film with his wife, and given that he knows me, a little appreciation for Bond has rubbed off on him. He saw CR—two years ago—and he called me to discuss QOS today. He remembered who Vesper was but not her name, and he confessed to me that he had no idea what they were talking about when she was mentioned. If the film spent a few minutes recapping CR, with perhaps even some flashbacks over the opening titles, then it would play much better for those with only a passing interest in Bond. Never before has an audience been required to have a working knowledge of the previous entry in the series. While there have been some carry overs from film to film—the MI6 crew, Sylvia Trench, Blofeld and his cat, SPECTRE, Felix, General Gogol—they never served to hinder an understanding of the story line of the film that was then being viewed.

The actual story here jumped around too much, with little, if any explanation of why it is going from point A to B to C, etc. There are some films where the audience is meant to think through the story without it all being told right there in front of you. Perhaps as Bond fans, it is refreshing to see that here. However, I defy anyone to show me one of the previous 21 films where an entire film’s plotline is as complicated as it is here. Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman would never have produced something this convulted. Granted, some of the earlier films contained things which did not make sense—Plenty O’Toole’s body in the pool, the real vs. fake Farbege egg in Octopussy (what did Orlov actually smash?) and the opium smuggling in The Living Daylights—but they did not compromise the overall stories of any of those films. Now some may also say—well this is more the way Fleming would have liked it. Sorry, that is not true. Each of Fleming’s Bond stories, and even those of his successors, were straightforward adventure and spy stories. No gray areas. John Gardner may have liked to have a double agent or two, but at the end of the day, you knew who the good guys and bad guys were. Devil May Care may be the exception, as the CIA involvement is murky, but it is only one, and my least favorite Bond adventure. (More on that with regard to QOS below).

Other elements did not make sense. How was Bond able to track Greene in the beginning? Unless I am wrong, it was due to the business card he gave to the thug at the gate, but it took me a while for that to dawn on me. Bond should not be that complicated—again from A to B to C. I remember an interview with one of the screenwriters of one of the earlier Bonds, who said that he put a gadget in one of the films that was used by Bond. However, the gadget was never explained by Q, and I believe that Cubby insisted he put in a scene where Q explains it before Bond uses it. He argued that it takes away the surprise, to which Cubby responded that the fun for the audience is not in the surprise but rather the anticipation of the gadget being used and the payoff once it happens. Here there was no pay off—no statement that there was a tracer on the card—and truthfully I am not even certain that is how Bond was able to track him.

We were obviously meant to think that the scar on Camille’s back was due to the fire when she was a child, but it is never explicitly stated. Indeed, when I first saw her back, I thought that it was peeling due to a sunburn, but focusing and refocusing on it led to the conclusion about the fire. Again, we should not have to think that hard. The reason is that the general is supposed to be evil enough to not only kill her father, mother and sister but to leave her physically scarred. Unless that is explained to the audience, the impact of the burn is completely missed on a good portion of the audience.

Speaking of Camille, what happened to the girl she saved from being raped? Did she burn up with the building? As for the building, why such a monstrosity in the middle of the desert, and why not populated by more then a few henchmen? As for the desert, it obviously cannot be that big as Bond and Camille were able to stroll leisurely--Camille barefoot no less--for what appeared to be a very short distance into a town.

As for Mathis, his CR ambiguity was cleared up, but then Bond goes to all the trouble of allying himself with him, only to unceremoniously drop his body into the dumpster. Why? Why not just place it on the side of the road. For those to say that that is the way Bond is--a cold hearted bastard—that is not the case. Look at Bond’s reaction to the death of Jill, Tilly, Aki, Tracy, Ferrara, Vijay, Tibbet, Saunders, Della, and Paris in the other films. Here there was a man who he obviously trusted and cared for--and that is how he responds? Sorry—that is not Bond.

Speaking of deaths, I appreciated the tribute to Goldfinger with Fields. But why was she killed? Goldfinger had Jill killed due to her betrayal at the card game, but why Fields? It made no sense, even if it was for tripping the henchman on the stairs, especially if Quantum is working with some British government officials, so why draw attention to themselves.

Which brings me to another element which truly disturbed me. In twenty one films, and all of the books (except Devil May Care) the CIA and US intelligence agencies have always been a staunch ally of MI6, and Britain of the Americans. Bond always worked for the good guys. There was no gray—it was always black and white. British and American interests always went hand in hand. Now, sometimes there was slight grumbling, such as Falco and M snapping at each other in Die Another Day and Bond trying to get the Magic 44 from the Japanese in defiance of the CIA in the You Only Live Twice novel, but at the end of the day, as Jinx told Bond, “We’re on the same side!” Here that is not clear, to say the least.

M’s meeting with the Minister did make it clear that the British and American government were working together with regard to Bolivia. M was also pulling Bond in on orders of her own government. This is also the first time in the series that M as a character was at odds with the goals of the British government.

Now those goals, were to say the least, questionable. While it may happen in real life, the books and films never portrayed the British and/or Americans propping up dictators for economic interests. Now from a Machiavellian viewpoint, to preserve national security by assuring oil for home, I can understand it. However, it has no place in a Bond film—way too political and it detracts from Bond’s value as a hero if he is working for a government which is so ruthless as to prop up a government which would oppress its people. And the very same government which issues the capture or kill order for him—but which M seemingly revokes a few minutes after she mentions it to Bond—makes one wonder why Bond would be so devoted to his duty. We should never be wondering that.

The whole idea of the CIA putting a hit on Bond is one of the biggest betrayals of the essentials of Bond in the series. Especially as Felix Leiter has been established as Bond’s best friend. However, I think that Felix’s comments to his fellow CIA officer that he told Bond what they had discussed makes it appear as if the CIA was lying to Greene all along, and that they had no intention to kill Bond, and instead let him go on to destroy Greene's operation. If that is the case, and M’s comments to Bond that she had straightened things out with the Americans, leads me to believe that it is, then there is no betrayal. However, it is never made clear—which is the problem with just about the whole script.

4. MK12. The worst title sequence. Ever. While nice to see the girls back they were wasted with all of the CGI messing with their bodies. And the title cards for the locations—why? This is not the TV show Fringe where it is kind of cool to see the locations listed in unconventional ways. Bond should not be that way.

5. The song. No better over the titles then it was when I first heard it. A mishmash of different elements. The voices sound too similar, and if the idea was for a male/female duet, why was it not a romantic ballad? The lyrics are incomprehensible, and it has too much of a rap feel to it. Rap is not Bond. Ever. The worst song in the series. By a wide margin.

I know there are many on the forums who liked the film. I am glad for you. However, I seriously hope that Eon takes a long look as this movie again and brings back Bond the way he should be. I am on record as being against the reboot when it was first announced. However, I will also admit that Casino Royale is one of the best Bond films, and with that, I was reluctantly accepting of it. The next film should wrap up the loose ends of this one. It can do so, using the good will from CR with the reintroduction of the gunbarrel in the beginning, a much better song, the return of Moneypenny and Q. Basic things. No need for invisible cars or hollowed out volcanoes—just the essential elements of Bond, coupled with a straightforward script and no ambiguity as to who Bond serves and with whom he allies. Then hopefully Bond will truly be back.

Bill

Edited by Bill, 17 November 2008 - 04:35 AM.


#2 DrNoNo

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:06 PM

You know...I could not agree with you more. Really, after reading this, there is nothing more to say. Wonderfully written. Everything you said is 100% dead on.

And so many people feel this way.

Of course, there are the ones who will love every Bond movie ever and put it against Citizen Kane and such...

But when you are honest with yourself, everything you said is completely and totally correct.

#3 TheREAL008

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:16 PM

Well done Bill.

#4 Donovan Mayne-Nicholls

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:35 PM

There's nothing wrong with loving movies warts-an'-all but what it struck me is the superciality that stems from QOS supporters. Reading through both the good and the bad reviews, I realise most of these staunch supporters had convinced themselves of how good the film was even before seeing it. That way fandom is incredibly easy, especially if only recently started. I get the feeling what we're dealing with is no longer fans but "religious fanatics" who are uncapable of taking any criticism and certainly haven't got the brains to detect/admit flaws. I, too, used to feel that Eon produced films above other blockbusters, that their standards were higher, more sophisticated but QOS has been like a bucket of cold water. It's really shown me how unsophisticated the average Bond fan is. Isn't Bond supposed to be about sophistication?
I haven't heard anybody talking about QOS since it opened here. When CR came out, people who didn't know you were a fan talked about it, would watch it again and even women liked it as much as men. Back in the days after LTK, Good ole Cubby felt Bond needed a change or would eventually become a summer movie cliché. One every two years, just for the fans. I fear that, unless Eon see beyond the numbers and commit to an exceptional film for 23, this will be remembered as "the beginning of the end".

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:45 PM

How was Bond able to track Greene in the beginning? Unless I am wrong, it was due to the business card he gave to the thug at the gate, but it took me a while for that to dawn on me. Here there was no pay off—no statement that there was a tracer on the card—and truthfully I am not even certain that is how Bond was able to track him.


There wasn't a tracer on the card, Bond was following them by Elvis's phone. When Elvis calls the number on the card, it rings Bond's phone. Bond then pushes a button and the screen on his phone says "TRACKING SOURCE", "TARGET CONFIRMED".

As for the building, why such a monstrosity in the middle of the desert, and why not populated by more then a few henchmen?


When Medrano and the others are sitting on the balcony and ordering drinks, they mention having "secured the hotel" for their meeting.

However, I think that Felix’s comments to his fellow CIA officer that he told Bond what they had discussed makes it appear as if the CIA was lying to Greene all along, and that they had no intention to kill Bond, and instead let him go on to destroy Greene's operation.


Felix made the decision to help Bond on his own, his superior was all for Greene and Medrano pulling off their coup. In the end, the superior loses his job and Felix gets promoted.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:54 PM

Thanks for the clarification on the tracer, Cody--as I said, it was going too fast so I missed that !

As for Felix, while I am glad that he is helping Bond--I still find it curious that he told the superior what he wanted him to, leading to the conclusion that the CIA wanted Bond to blow up the HQ. Still I could be wrong!

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:58 PM

Good stuff, Bill. I liked QUANTUM OF SOLACE, but I also like your review. Let a thousand flowers bloom, as the fella said.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:58 PM

I can totally understand where your coming from,its not a great or classic 007 outing,however after a 3rd viewing I conclude its down to the script,obviously compromised by the strike.So this is why I forgive.However the titles,song & director I just do not think are upto the mark.However a good effort but only a 4/10.Another promlem QOS has is that it follows on after Casino Royale which is,in my opinion,one of the top 5 Bond movies.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:24 AM

I agree with most of the things you have said! There is not much to say since you covered it so well and exactly how I was feeling about the film. Arnold's score didn't do much for me as a whole and for me is forgettable. I too was never to fond of the reboot thing, but we have it and that's how it is. But yes, for God sake, bring back those basic things. As for QOS, you're right, Craig's acting was very good, but as for everything else, you hit all the points and feelings I had about this film dead on!!! I normally go see a Bond film 2 to 3 times when it comes out, but after one time, I've had my fill of QOS. It's sad because I'm not even excited about adding QOS to my Bond DVD collection. Thanks for posting your honesty!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:42 AM

Reading these reviews it's clear that you guys wanted a certain kind of film and you didn't get it. So you didn't enjoy it. Quite a few people, including myself, liked the plot and didn't find it confusing at all. I appreciated a plot that wasn't throwaway and demanded one's attention. And one that was set in the murky real world of politics. As for what Fleming would or wouldn't have done, well, we don't know do we? He lived in a different era, but his Bond novels, like this film, would have reflected current times IMO.

You didn't enjoy the film. But others did. You guys are acting like it's fact it's a weak film. It isn't. Just like it's not a fact it's a strong film. It's had a mixed reception, which for me, immediately makes me suspect it's a rather special Bond film (IMO it's one of the very best, if not THE best).

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 01:02 AM

I appreciated a plot ... set in the murky real world of politics.


As shown in Bill's review, that does seem to be one of the big dividing points. Some don't want that in Bond, they want clear cut villainy and pure escapism. Others, like myself, are all for dealing with real world corruption and ambiguity.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 01:39 AM

There's nothing wrong with loving movies warts-an'-all but what it struck me is the superciality that stems from QOS supporters. Reading through both the good and the bad reviews, I realise most of these staunch supporters had convinced themselves of how good the film was even before seeing it. That way fandom is incredibly easy, especially if only recently started. I get the feeling what we're dealing with is no longer fans but "religious fanatics" who are uncapable of taking any criticism and certainly haven't got the brains to detect/admit flaws. I, too, used to feel that Eon produced films above other blockbusters, that their standards were higher, more sophisticated but QOS has been like a bucket of cold water. It's really shown me how unsophisticated the average Bond fan is. Isn't Bond supposed to be about sophistication?
I haven't heard anybody talking about QOS since it opened here. When CR came out, people who didn't know you were a fan talked about it, would watch it again and even women liked it as much as men. Back in the days after LTK, Good ole Cubby felt Bond needed a change or would eventually become a summer movie cliché. One every two years, just for the fans. I fear that, unless Eon see beyond the numbers and commit to an exceptional film for 23, this will be remembered as "the beginning of the end".


Right on! Man, where has this thread been all my life? Spot on old chap! Seems that at the very least QOS is bringing the Bond brotherhood back.

Until...


Reading these reviews it's clear that you guys wanted a certain kind of film and you didn't get it. So you didn't enjoy it. Quite a few people, including myself, liked the plot and didn't find it confusing at all. I appreciated a plot that wasn't throwaway and demanded one's attention. And one that was set in the murky real world of politics. As for what Fleming would or wouldn't have done, well, we don't know do we? He lived in a different era, but his Bond novels, like this film, would have reflected current times IMO.

You didn't enjoy the film. But others did. You guys are acting like it's fact it's a weak film. It isn't. Just like it's not a fact it's a strong film. It's had a mixed reception, which for me, immediately makes me suspect it's a rather special Bond film (IMO it's one of the very best, if not THE best).


What's for damn sure is that Fleming wouldn't have wanted anything to do with this drivel! QOS could very well be the beginning of the end. After seeing QOS, maybe it's time.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 01:46 AM

What's for damn sure is that Fleming wouldn't have wanted anything to do with this drivel! QOS could very well be the beginning of the end. After seeing QOS, maybe it's time.



You know, I am the last person to label anyone else a drama queen.... But you're a goddamn drama queen, dude. Talk about Chicken Little syndrome.


Would you like some cheese with that ham? Or should I say ham with that cheese?

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 01:57 AM

I don't really understand how the writers' strike affected Bond. Purvis and Wade must be among the highest paid writers. If it was factory staff, or hotel staff, you can see the strike causes disruption. But who would know if Purvis and Wade were writing on their laptops at 11pm or not? Did they refuse to carry on writing? If they did, how was it of any benefit to them or anyone else? Did they simply not turn their laptops on? Did they switch their brains off too? Surely they still had the same amount of work to do for the same vast amount of money. Now, if I was being paid a million dollars to dig a hole and had one week to do it, I do not see how not working for two days is going to help anyone else. All it means is I have two days less time to dig the same hole.

Anyway, I think this review by Bill is exactly what the Bond producers NEED to hear! This review should be printed and stamped "TOP SECRET" and copies sent to EVERYONE at EON.

Edited by Bond Bug, 17 November 2008 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:04 AM

Ditto Bill.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:12 AM

Bond should not be that complicated


Why not?

One can only throw out cretin fodder so many times.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:12 AM

I cannot fathom anyone preferring TWINE or AVTAK to QOS. I don't mean that to be hateful at all, and I respect everyone's opinions, but it's as much beyond my comprehension as the mind of Christopher Walken.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:24 AM

What's for damn sure is that Fleming wouldn't have wanted anything to do with this drivel!


You knew him personally, did you?

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:31 AM

I cannot fathom anyone preferring TWINE or AVTAK to QOS. I don't mean that to be hateful at all, and I respect everyone's opinions, but it's as much beyond my comprehension as the mind of Christopher Walken.


Look how much dialogue Roger Moore had in AVTAK compared to Craig in QoS.

The non-action scenes were more than "filler."

The stuntman stood in for Roger Moore.

Craig was the stuntman and that's nearly all we saw of him.

In AVTAK, Bond had class, charm, charisma. All lacking in QoS.

In AVTAK, we understood who the bad guy was and what his motivation was.

Yes AVTAK had plenty of faults, but it also had a sense of fun and the audience was not given eyestrain because of machine-gun style editing.

And I haven't even mentioned the theme songs.

Give me Bond giving Patrick McNee a ticking off anyday over Bond dumping his friend in the garbage. Bond has no class in QoS. He is not Bond in anything other than name.

Edited by Bond Bug, 17 November 2008 - 02:34 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:40 AM

James Bond sucks.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:43 AM

James Bond sucks.


I heard he's gay.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:50 AM

Great review. I don't agree with any of it but it's well written.I think we saw different Bond movies.The one I saw was relentlessly entertaining and a huge breath of fresh air-and had style,class and a alot of grit as well.I can't wait to see it again.

he does little to portray the suaveness and sophistication that his predecessors showed, and which he first brought to light, slightly, once he donned the tux in Casino Royale. Here, there is no equivalent scene.

Insisting on a fine hotel comes to mind.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:53 AM

James Bond sucks.


I heard he's gay.


That's okay. People say that with my hair short I could pass for Ralph Macchio's more effeminate twin. I could stuff a rolled-up sock in my jeans and do a JUST ONE OF THE GUYS and submit myself to him.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:53 AM

The Worst Film in the Series

You must have missed the truly awful Die Another Day.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:16 AM

I cannot fathom anyone preferring TWINE or AVTAK to QOS. I don't mean that to be hateful at all, and I respect everyone's opinions, but it's as much beyond my comprehension as the mind of Christopher Walken.

Look how much dialogue Roger Moore had in AVTAK compared to Craig in QoS.


I'll take a pint of Newcastle over a case of Michelob any day.

The non-action scenes were more than "filler."

Yes, Bond & Chuck Lee walking down the pier was riveting.

The stuntman stood in for Roger Moore.

Yes, I could tell.

Craig was the stuntman and that's nearly all we saw of him.

The royal "we," I assume? You should stay for the second half next time.

In AVTAK, Bond had class, charm, charisma. All lacking in QoS.

Yes, Craig is a terrible Bond. Where have I been?

In AVTAK, we understood who the bad guy was and what his motivation was.

It helped that Goldfinger explained all that first.

Yes AVTAK had plenty of faults, but it also had a sense of fun and the audience was not given eyestrain because of machine-gun style editing.

Well, I got some serious earstrain from hearing "JAAAAAAAMES!!!!!?&$!!!" more times than one can count on one hand. But I think we can agree that plenty of folks had as much fun in QOS as the others didn't have.

And I haven't even mentioned the theme songs.

You've got me there, friend. But hey, AVTAK's got a whole lot of Bond films there.

Give me Bond giving Patrick McNee a ticking off anyday over Bond dumping his friend in the garbage. Bond has no class in QoS. He is not Bond in anything other than name.

You're right, he should have left Mathis to decompose in a lake. See, for me, Roger Moore is only Bond in name. I love him to death and would rather hang out with him than any other Bond actor, but I personally prefer Fleming's vision of Bond to Cubby's. And I'm glad to see him back.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:27 AM

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Good point, Tarl_Cabot--I had forgotten that.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:46 AM

See it again Bill...I promise you will enjoy it more the second time. And that Hotel ruled.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:53 AM

BUT HE DRANK MATHIS' CRAP WINE, THAT DULLARD COMMONER!!!11

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:57 AM

cheap booze is better than no booze. *sips a Coorslite™*

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:58 AM

See it again Bill...I promise you will enjoy it more the second time. And that Hotel ruled.


I agree with Tarl. In my particular case I enjoyed Quantum of Solace much more the second time I saw it. Of course the fact a cute blonde accompanied me had me in a much more agreeable mood :(

cheap booze is better than no booze. *sips a Coorslite™*


True words of wisdom.