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#1 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:34 AM

How could this happen?

Last night I finally saw "Quantum of Solace". I had read all the mixed/bad reviews, especially from some board members here. I was aware of the main points of criticism. And I tried to stay positive. Yet, a growing fear was installed by these reviews. The fear of being indeed disappointed. The fear of having been blinded with uncontrollable fan-love. The fear of having to admit Stamper is right.

These seem to me the main points of criticism that were raised in the last weeks:

- The action is edited badly, too fast to see what´s going on.

- The plot is incomprehensible.

- It is only action, there are hardly any scenes for character development.

- The Bond girls are weak.

- The score by David Arnold does not feature the James Bond theme and is only a cacaphony of sounds with no theme and too much drum computers.

- The title song is the worst song of them all.

- The film has no style.

- The film has no or at least not enough humor.

- The villain is underused.

- The whole film wants to be a Bourne film and comes off as a faceless action-hero-film.

- Daniel Craig gives a one-note "Rambo-esque" performance.

- The film is too short.

- The title has no meaning.



Okay. I probably have a reputation around here as a shameless apologetic for all things Bond. But not in this review.

I will not defend "Quantum of Solace" as a fan who wants to disregard anything that could shatter his positive opinion on the object of his obsession.

Because I don´t have to.

"Quantum of Solace" is a masterpiece. A better film than "Casino Royale". Also a better Bond film than the excellent "Casino Royale". It is one of the few action thrillers with a soul. It is definitely the most modern Bond film since "Dr.No" changed the way action thrillers were shot, edited and directed. "Quantum of Solace" is the best second Craig-Bond one could hope for.

Oh, c´mon, you fan-wanker: At least explain all the hyperbole!

I will.

Let´s look at the criticism again.

- The action is edited badly, too fast to see what´s going on.

The action is edited very fast. And I do understand that people expected a slower tempo. But to say that you can´t see what´s going on is simply not true. At no time there are jarring cuts that just try to disorient you (as Michael Bay did in films like "Armageddon"). All the action is presented in a way that you know exactly where the characters are, what they are doing, what they are reacting to. Yes, it´s all happening very fast. But that´s a logical and very emotional approach to this. The film does not present action as something you can enjoy leaning back. In this film action is something that happens without a warning. It is violent. It has devestating consequences. And it is over before you know it so you have to move extremely quick in order to stay alive in it.

Will future Bond films scale back and allow the more "here comes another enjoyable setpiece"-feel of the earlier Bonds instead of QOS´ "in your face-draw you into the moment"-feel? Maybe. Don´t I enjoy the earlier Bond´s action sequences? I do. But for this film, Forster´s approach was logical and absolutely right.


- The plot is incomprehensible.


Excuse me? What is not to understand here? As any Bond film QOS has a very simple and clear plot. I´m totally baffeled by all those people here who complain about not understanding the plot. Really, if you don´t understand this plot then... I fear for the future of storytelling.

The only imaginable reason why someone could complain about the beginning of the plot would be this: He/she did not see "Casino Royale". If you don´t know who the guy in Bond´s trunk is and what has happened between Bond and Vesper and Mathis, then...

... no. Even then you will understand that the guy in the trunk is called Mr.White and that he works for a secret organization. You will understand that Bond loved Vesper and feels betrayed by her. And that he thought Mathis tried to kill him but actually was innocent.


- It is only action, there are hardly any scenes for character development.


Not true. Yes, there is a lot action. But there are dozens of scenes with quiet character moments (I won´t list all of them because fellow board members like Zorin, ACE and Mharkin have already done that so brilliantly). In fact, these quiet moments had an even greater impact on me because of the contrast of the hard action coming before and after. Interestingly, QOS goes the opposite way of most action thrillers. Instead of upping the action sequences and getting more frenetic to the end, QOS slows the tempo bit by bit, without losing its steam. It goes deeper into character until at the end it has presented a fully rounded portrayal of Bond.


- The Bond girls are weak.


There is one main Bond girl here: Olga´s CAMILLE. Her motivation is kind of familiar (FYEO) but works very well. She has not the commanding presence of Eva Green´s VESPER. But that could and should never have been the case. Vesper´s shadow has to lie on this film. If Camille had been more striking than it would have diminished the whole emotional impact.

Having said that, Camille is a strong character with her own mind. It is wonderful how the relationship between Bond and Camille does not turn sexual but is grounded on their loss of trust. They both are indeed "damaged goods". And the scene in the burning Eco Hotel, when everything seems lost - is one of the most frightening and tender scenes in any Bond film yet. The decision Camille wants from Bond and the way he is readying himself to do it is heart-breaking. ONE OF THE BEST SCENES EVER (so much that I had to write this in these BIG LETTERS.)

Agent Fields is more of a throwback to former Bond girls in that she very easily gets seduced by Bond. If there had been time within the narrative then it would have been nice to see to see more of her. But the scenes she is in work very well.

Considering the beauty of these both actresses - it is always in the eye of the beholder. I found both of them very attractive.


- The score by David Arnold does not feature the James Bond theme and is only a cacaphony of sounds with no theme and too much drum computers.


As I already wrote in my post on the score after listening to it only on CD I have to repeat my statement here now: The score works beautifully and is layered with many new and fresh themes. The drum computers are just one element which is used with great precision.

AND (again to underline this the big letters) THE JAMES BOND THEME APPEARS AGAIN AND AGAIN. It does not in the big brassy, look-at-me style of the former films but it is incorporated again and again in a very intelligent way, sometimes fusing with the YOU KNOW MY NAME melody. I enjoy this score immensely, within the film and apart from the film.


- The title song is the worst song of them all.


I would not rate the song as one of the best Bond songs. But it has a strange quality of disorienting and sticking with you. Also, I do believe that its chaos is chosen and did not happen by accident. It fits within the context of Bond´s state of mind. A beautiful harmony would have felt out of place. In that way, AWTD is perfect for this Bond film and the character at that moment.


- The film has no style.


Obviously, this is ridiculous. Everything has a certain style. You can´t argue whether this is a good or a bad style because that depends on taste. But "Quantum of Solace" definitely has a distinct style. And by that I don´t mean merely the breathtaking cinematography or the urgency of the editing or the gorgeous but never unrealistic set-design. For me, the style of this film could mainly be described by "going deep into the mind James Bond". In that way, it is similar to "You only live twice" which always seemed designed IMO as Bond´s fever dream in which everything corresponded to his state of mind. In contrast to "You only live twice", however, "Quantum of Solace" is no fantasy but deeply and painfully rooted in reality.


- The film has no or at least not enough humor.


Again, not true. Check out the already existing thread to this. The film has all the humor it can have (for its subject matter) and its humor is wonderfully subtle instead of having a tacked-on "I want to be a crowd-pleaser"-feel.


- The villain is underused.


WHAT? Greene is used perfectly and showcased again and again. And Almaric never overplays him but cuts a very menacing figure. Not because he would be physically imposing (he is actually pretty short) but because he really enjoys putting fear into people.

His henchman thankfully is no imposing Stamper but actually a rather stupid follower. In that respect, again a return to realism instead of going for the traditional cliché unrealistic "Jaws"-like brute.


- The whole film wants to be a Bourne film.


I do think that EON was shocked by the success of the "Bourne" franchise. And using "Bourne"´s stunt expert definitely was a way to update the stunt work, to bring it on the excellent level of "Bourne".

And yes, the stunt scenes do feel like "Bourne". But as I already pointed out in another thread, this is just Bond coming full circle. Bond has influenced Bourne. And now Bourne influences Bond. But Bond incorporates this action-style into his own frame of reference. At no time "Quantum of Solace" tries to be a "Bourne" film. It remains totally Bondian. And if you don´t believe it, watch a "Bourne" film again and then really compare it to "Quantum" instead of falling for the easy catchphrase bashing.

By the way, people always loved the "Bourne" action style. Why is that suddenly something to complain about when it is used in a Bond film? Orson Welles pioneered "depth of focus" in "Citizen Kane". Do all other films who employed "depth of focus" only ape a certain style instead of coming up with an own style?

This is absurd. The "Bourne" action style is only a tool. Just as the "Matrix" camera move is only a tool. It´s just a way of cinema evolving.

And concerning the editing: Once again, Greengrass was not the first one to have fast cuts. Michael Bay wasn´t the first one either. As far as I know Oliver Stone was the first one to bring the fast cutting into the mainstream. And again, this is only a tool.


- Daniel Craig gives a one-note "Rambo-esque" performance.


WHAT?????????????????????????????????
He is even more dimensional than in CR! He is tough and vulnerable, funny and menacing, full of hate and full of tenderness. There is nothing one-note about his performance at all. He is playing all the notes that there are in this film. With this second film he truly becomes the best Bond ever.


- The film is too short.


I never had that feeling. It tells its story with perfect timing. It does not feel too long as CR did.


- The title has no meaning.


How frustrating it is to see people make fun of the title. It contains two words that obviously are not that familiar anymore: Quantum. Solace. Both words have meanings. What is so difficult about these words?

Would people have preferred it if the title at been "a little bit of consolation"?

Bond needs to find solace after the events with Vesper. And he does find it.

That´s the meaning of the title. So easy. Why in the world are people there who cannot fathom that?

I love this title. Having seen the film, any other title would not have worked as well.

By the way, I do believe that EON wanted to name the film "Quantum of Solace" from the beginning. The organization was not called QUANTUM for nothing, was it?




So...

How could this happen? How could a situation arise in which people (even real Bond fans) could not see what this film achieves so brilliantly: an in-depth portrayal of the character of James Bond.

There is only two reasons that come to my mind:

- they cling to the earlier eras in which the films were mainly designed to be harmless entertainment

and

- they fall victim to journalists who need to reduce complexity to a few catchphrases, thereby becoming blind to the plenty of merits of this film.

I just hope that audiences worldwide will embrace this film. It is definitely one of the best films of the year. If not the decade.


"Oooh, so he ends with hyperbole again..."


No.
The film just is that good.

P.S. The gunbarrel has to come at the end. At the beginning it would have made no sense. But now Bond has come full circle. He never left the service but from now on he will be on her majesty´s secret service completely.

#2 Loomis

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:43 AM

This is one of the best reviews of QUANTUM OF SOLACE I've read - maybe even the best.

#3 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:45 AM

Thank you, Loomis. Sorry for running so long.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:49 AM

What an astute and superbly well-written analysis, SAF. Very well done sir!

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:06 AM

Nicely done, SAF. Bravo.

It seems to me that it's easier to like Quantum of Solace than to dislike it. People who like it just spell it out as it is, while those who dislike it seem to have an agenda and need to shoehorn their agenda into disliking it.

#6 R Thornhill

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:22 AM

well said

great new bond and great new president in the same week. It's been decades since we had such a constellation.

ROT

#7 Fozzco

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:32 AM

Hear,hear SAF agree entirely with your astute observations.
Bring on Bond 23!

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:49 AM

Perfect review, all the things I wanted to say but haven't got the skills to do so.

One of the reasons i like this film so much is because it's different to the Bond formula. Why people want the same things in Bond films is beyond me. QoS is a perfect follow up to CR. My only doubt with it is will it stand up as a stand alone film in years to come.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:53 AM

SAF, this is the best review I've seen regarding this film and everything you said, I 100% agree with and have said also. I just don't understand why people can't see that this is a James Bond film that grows and culminates with Bond becoming the tradiotnal agent 007 by the end of the film.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:56 AM

This is one of the best reviews of QUANTUM OF SOLACE I've read - maybe even the best.

It's certainly one of the most sensible.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:05 AM

Glad you liked it sir!

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:27 AM

A well, written comprehensive review.

Just want to add my agreement to SecretAgentFan's impression of the film :(

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:30 AM

Good work there SecretAgentFan,

It is disheartening and actually quite baffling why so many people who didn't like the film (which is completely their wont) are doing so on actually very selfish grounds.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:49 AM

Thank you all for your very kind remarks. I´m glad we all share the same passions for QOS.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:56 AM

It is one of the few action thrillers with a soul. It is definitely the most modern Bond film since "Dr.No" changed the way action thrillers were shot, edited and directed.

There's nothing original in QOS. Been-there-done-that is written all over the film.

But there are dozens of scenes with quiet character moments (I won´t list all of them because fellow board members like Zorin, ACE and Mharkin have already done that so brilliantly). In fact, these quiet moments had an even greater impact on me because of the contrast of the hard action coming before and after. Interestingly, QOS goes the opposite way of most action thrillers. Instead of upping the action sequences and getting more frenetic to the end, QOS slows the tempo bit by bit, without losing its steam. It goes deeper into character until at the end it has presented a fully rounded portrayal of Bond.

It's either a character moment or it is an action moment. There is nothing in-between. It so obvious when they start to "explore" characters that it becomes alomst laughable. Of course, the main problem here is the lack of a comprehensive story that can give some motivation to all these characters and action.

There's no motivation for Bond and whenever they try to develop his character there is a lack of good dialouge. Camille's character was done much better in FYEO, Fields feels like a cameo. None of the girls leaves a lasting impression. The villains are extremely weak (worst since TLD). Greene is just another version of the Graves-style villain, General Medrano is an orgy in clichés. None of the other figures makes sense. 'M' is more stupid than usual. Felix looks "cool" while he's sleeping with bad people. Which he doesn't like.

WHAT?????????????????????????????????
He is even more dimensional than in CR! He is tough and vulnerable, funny and menacing, full of hate and full of tenderness. There is nothing one-note about his performance at all. He is playing all the notes that there are in this film. With this second film he truly becomes the best Bond ever.

Bond is extremely ruthless over and over again and often without a purpose. The filmmakers use Bond's violence as a gimmick to shock the audience. And they take this too far.

The film does not present action as something you can enjoy leaning back.

I know. We can at least agree on this.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:09 AM

How could this happen?

- It is only action, there are hardly any scenes for character development.


Not true. Yes, there is a lot action. But there are dozens of scenes with quiet character moments (I won´t list all of them because fellow board members like Zorin, ACE and Mharkin have already done that so brilliantly). In fact, these quiet moments had an even greater impact on me because of the contrast of the hard action coming before and after. Interestingly, QOS goes the opposite way of most action thrillers. Instead of upping the action sequences and getting more frenetic to the end, QOS slows the tempo bit by bit, without losing its steam. It goes deeper into character until at the end it has presented a fully rounded portrayal of Bond.


You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it is unfortunate you will not give examples of character development. It is easy to say things like it had good character development without giving examples - or to say go and find out what somebody else has written. I'm looking for something deeper than a Steven Seagal movie.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:09 AM

Thanks for that. Enjoyed that review, I am not completely sold on the film, but agree with you on a number of points, especially Craig's performance and the film style. :(

Edited by BoogieBond, 07 November 2008 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:18 AM

There's nothing original in QOS. Been-there-done-that is written all over the film.


That is too general a comment. Please be more precise.

It's either a character moment or it is an action moment. There is nothing in-between. It so obvious when they start to "explore" characters that it becomes alomst laughable. Of course, the main problem here is the lack of a comprehensive story that can give some motivation to all these characters and action.


You realize, of course, that we both use the terms "character moment" or "action moment" although these are very wobbly terms. What I meant was this: there are action sequences and then there are dialogue sequences. Both reveal character. And if it is obvious that they reveal character, well - that´s the purpose of a scene. Good that you noticed. I wouldn´t say that´s laughable.

Concerning the "lack of a comprehensive story" - please give an example. Where is that lack? I felt that all characters were clearly motivated. Which character, in your opinion, was not?

There's no motivation for Bond and whenever they try to develop his character there is a lack of good dialouge. Camille's character was done much better in FYEO, Fields feels like a cameo. None of the girls leaves a lasting impression. The villains are extremely weak (worst since TLD). Greene is just another version of the Graves-style villain, General Medrano is an orgy in clichés. None of the other figures makes sense. 'M' is more stupid than usual. Felix looks "cool" while he's sleeping with bad people. Which he doesn't like..


Okay, that´s strange: "There is no motivation for Bond"? Um, did you not see "Casino Royale"? Please explain.

"Lack of good dialogue?" I did not think so but maybe that is also a question of taste.

"Camille´s character was done much better in FYEO?" Also I did not think so. Melina was simpler drawn. Camille´s psyche had more of a complete arc, wanting revenge, giving herself up for it, having to really act out the revenge, fearing to pay the price for it, accepting her personal hell and understanding Bond.

"Greene is just another version of the Graves-style villain?" I would have agreed if you had said he were another version of the Bond villian. But Graves is a fantasy figure compared to the deeply-in-reality-rooted Greene.

"Medrano is an orgy in clichés". Yes, that´s right. Unfortunately, people in real life often behave like clichés. And a cliché is only a cliché because it has happened again and again in the same way.

"None of the other figures makes sense." Which figures do you mean and why?

"'M' is more stupid than usual." At which point doing what? And please consider all the films since you state "more than usual".

"Felix looks "cool" while he's sleeping with bad people. Which he doesn't like." Yes, Felix looks cool because that is his thing. Did he sleep with Greene? Did not notice that. But I would understand that he does not like it. Wouldn´t you?

Bond is extremely ruthless over and over again and often without a purpose. The filmmakers use Bond's violence as a gimmick to shock the audience. And they take this too far.


Yes, he is ruthless. But when is there no purpose? I don´t think the violence is used as a gimmick. I do think it is designed to shock the audience because violence should be shocking. Maybe for your taste this is taken too far and I respect this opinion.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:21 AM


The film does not present action as something you can enjoy leaning back.

I know. We can at least agree on this.


Yes. I was in the second to front row. My eyes were assaulted by the action and I had little idea what was going on.

#20 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:30 AM

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it is unfortunate you will not give examples of character development. It is easy to say things like it had good character development without giving examples - or to say go and find out what somebody else has written. I'm looking for something deeper than a Steven Seagal movie.


I am, too. That´s why I don´t like Seagal movies.

I actually did not give examples, as I pointed out, because you can find them in the excellent posts of the named board members.

But if you insist that I fill this thread until the mods call an ambulance, here you are:

- Bond learning that "the dead don´t care about vengeance" and keeping Yussef alive.
- Camille learning that her need for revenge lends her in a burning hell, a prison that only oneself has the ability to leave
- Bond apologising to Mathis for having doubted his trust and friendship
- Bond forming a new friendship with Mathis
- Bond trusting M
- M trusting Bond



The film does not present action as something you can enjoy leaning back.

I know. We can at least agree on this.


Yes. I was in the second to front row. My eyes were assaulted by the action and I had little idea what was going on.


Oh, I see. So you had a crappy seat too close to the screen. I had one too, once, when I saw "Million Dollar Baby". Not a film with hectic editing. But gosh, those huge faces did assault one, didn´t they?

What do we learn from this? Do not sit too close to a screen. Also don´t do it home with your television set.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:42 AM

But if you insist that I fill this thread until the mods call an ambulance, here you are:

- Bond learning that "the dead don´t care about vengeance" and keeping Yussef alive.
- Camille learning that her need for revenge lends her in a burning hell, a prison that only oneself has the ability to leave
- Bond apologising to Mathis for having doubted his trust and friendship
- Bond forming a new friendship with Mathis
- Bond trusting M
- M trusting Bond


Another one is Bond's realization that his actions may have consequences for innocents, as evidenced by the death of Fields after involvement with 007.

#22 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:43 AM

But if you insist that I fill this thread until the mods call an ambulance, here you are:

- Bond learning that "the dead don´t care about vengeance" and keeping Yussef alive.
- Camille learning that her need for revenge lends her in a burning hell, a prison that only oneself has the ability to leave
- Bond apologising to Mathis for having doubted his trust and friendship
- Bond forming a new friendship with Mathis
- Bond trusting M
- M trusting Bond


Another one is Bond's realization that his actions may have consequences for innocents, as evidenced by the death of Fields after involvement with 007.


YES! Great scene!

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:47 AM

Yes. I was in the second to front row. My eyes were assaulted by the action and I had little idea what was going on.


I would advise you to see it again. I was sitting approximately in the middle of a large cinema and found it fairly easy to follow, but as SecretAgentFan mentioned, it was sit forward and concentrate a little, not sit back.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:51 AM

But if you insist that I fill this thread until the mods call an ambulance, here you are:

- Bond learning that "the dead don´t care about vengeance" and keeping Yussef alive.
- Camille learning that her need for revenge lends her in a burning hell, a prison that only oneself has the ability to leave
- Bond apologising to Mathis for having doubted his trust and friendship
- Bond forming a new friendship with Mathis
- Bond trusting M
- M trusting Bond


Another one is Bond's realization that his actions may have consequences for innocents, as evidenced by the death of Fields after involvement with 007.

Spot on.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:57 AM

There's nothing original in QOS. Been-there-done-that is written all over the film.


That is too general a comment. Please be more precise.

We have seen similar action before. That style of editing is nothing new. There's no particular plot twist that feels fresh. None of characters are in any way memorable. Is that enough?

Concerning the "lack of a comprehensive story" - please give an example. Where is that lack?

The villains plot (the MacGuffin all bondfilms needs) is very poor and not well executed.

Okay, that´s strange: "There is no motivation for Bond"? Um, did you not see "Casino Royale"? Please explain.

Vesper committed suicide, so what's the big deal? There's no killer to chase. Is Bond chasing her boyfriend? Why bother? He was Kidnapped. The whole revenge story is blurred from the beginning.

"Medrano is an orgy in clichés". Yes, that´s right. Unfortunately, people in real life often behave like clichés. And a cliché is only a cliché because it has happened again and again in the same way.

How many dictators have you met in real life? I doubt they are that boring and predictable.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 12:00 PM

The whole revenge story is blurred from the beginning.

No, it was blurred by poor markting. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is probably going to go down as one of the most mis-marketed films in the franchise; someone pointed out that Bond is simply looking for answers first and foremost, it's everyone around him who thinks he's out for revenge. I gathered as much from the "I don't think the dead care about vengeance" line.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 12:16 PM

The whole revenge story is blurred from the beginning.

No, it was blurred by poor markting. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is probably going to go down as one of the most mis-marketed films in the franchise; someone pointed out that Bond is simply looking for answers first and foremost, it's everyone around him who thinks he's out for revenge. I gathered as much from the "I don't think the dead care about vengeance" line.


And the 'I'm motivated by my duty"line was another clue. To be fair,I never felt QoS was going to be simply a 'loose cannon on deck/personal vendetta' affair.

Edited by draxingtonstanley, 07 November 2008 - 12:18 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2008 - 12:45 PM

The whole revenge story is blurred from the beginning.

No, it was blurred by poor markting. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is probably going to go down as one of the most mis-marketed films in the franchise; someone pointed out that Bond is simply looking for answers first and foremost, it's everyone around him who thinks he's out for revenge. I gathered as much from the "I don't think the dead care about vengeance" line.


And the 'I'm motivated by my duty"line was another clue. To be fair,I never felt QoS was going to be simply a 'loose cannon on deck/personal vendetta' affair.

I can understand that people are confused, with or without the marketing. If he's looking for answers, why kill everyone before they get a chance to answer?

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 01:03 PM

All I can say is...bravo!

"Quantum of Solace" is a masterpiece. A better film than "Casino Royale". Also a better Bond film than the excellent "Casino Royale". It is one of the few action thrillers with a soul. It is definitely the most modern Bond film since "Dr.No" changed the way action thrillers were shot, edited and directed. "Quantum of Solace" is the best second Craig-Bond one could hope for.


That's just how I feel about the film. We've been given a totally new style of Bond film which most of us never expected and yet it has been criticised for falling short of being another Casino Royale.

It seems to me that it's easier to like Quantum of Solace than to dislike it. People who like it just spell it out as it is, while those who dislike it seem to have an agenda and need to shoehorn their agenda into disliking it.


Ain't that the truth. I've respect for the opinions of those who disliked this film yet enjoyed Casino Royale, but a lot of those criticising Quantum Of Solace seem to have been anti-Craig, anti-reboot, anti-credible Bond etc.

The whole revenge story is blurred from the beginning.

No, it was blurred by poor markting. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is probably going to go down as one of the most mis-marketed films in the franchise; someone pointed out that Bond is simply looking for answers first and foremost, it's everyone around him who thinks he's out for revenge. I gathered as much from the "I don't think the dead care about vengeance" line.


Absolutely. We were all led to believe this would a revenge tragedy, the bloodiest Bond yet etc. Although in fairness this did not come from EON and Craig but from press previews.

Bond having to save the life of the villain whilst the Hotel burns was a great and novel contrast to previous climaxes. The Bond of Quantum Of Solace is a lot more together than the crazed, blinkered and blood thirsty Bond of Licence To Kill.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 01:04 PM

My confusion is more to do with how someone could think this is a revenge movie pure and simple. Revenge is one of the strands running through the story but for Bond,investigating Quantum is the main motive as far as I could tell.
Bond doesn't kill everyone-right from the beginning we see that he's kept Mr White alive.