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#1 Loomis

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:33 PM

Saw QUANTUM OF SOLACE today. With a few reservations, I loved it. So, then, sans further ado, I present my Jimtastic "review". Beware SPOILERS, as well as the sort of feeble attempts at unnecessary so-called comic relief that the Bond series seems thankfully to have left behind for now.

A is for a purple-faced Alan Partridge shouting "STOP GETTING BOND WRONG!!!!!!!!", forgetting, of course, that it's actually impossible to get Bond wrong (or at least curiously difficult to do so). I mean, you can't even get him wrong if you put him in outer space (mind you, I say this as a lover of MOONRAKER, a film I understand some Bond fans Refuse to Accept™, although I feel sorry for such people) or have him played by a blond little squirt whose face suggests an experiment to mate Vladimir Putin with Sid James. Indeed, the more you go in directions that - on paper, at least - seem to guarantee an outcome of "getting Bond wrong", the more likely you are to get him stunningly right. Counterintuitively enough.

See, Bond is nothing if not a broad church, and I honestly don't believe it possible for a Bond fan to be a "traditionalist". I mean, think about it. How many franchises have chopped and changed styles as much as Bond (both literary and cinematic), virtually always coming out stronger for it?

I always find it bizarre when Bond fans appear resistant to change, for change is the one thing that has always saved the series' bacon. Indeed, I think a Bond fan who's resistant to change is almost a contradiction in terms. Eon has always been smart enough to know when to shake up The Formula™, and it's in change that you'll find the lifeblood of Bond, the very reason for its extraordinary longevity and success.

And if there's one thing even a little green man from Mars probably knows about QUANTUM OF SOLACE, it's that it's

Bold. And different.

Now, C is for Craig Daniels. I feel it's almost unnecessary to mention Cregg, for at this point in the long and glorious history of 007 our Dan really ought to go without saying. His only serious rival is the Connery of the first three films. Gratuitous and unpleasant though it may be to boost the current incumbent by slagging his predecessors, the others (save for Sean) are basically just :(ing wankers by comparison. Craig owns James Bond. You may think Eon and Ian Fleming Publications own James Bond, but they don't - he's owned by the Cragmeister. End of.

As everybody's favourite blinger with a slick trigger finger for Her Majesty ("That's because you know what I can do with my slick trigger finger, Ma'am"), Craig is absolutely flawless. Flawless!

Don't tell me that the PTS of QoS doesn't show 007 at his absolute badass bestest. I thought GOLDENEYE had a terrific start, that GOLDFINGER had the daddy of all PTSes, that CASINO ROYALE relaunched our boy with a bang, that THE SPY WHO LOVED ME started well, that TWINE and DAD had decent pre-credits sequences. Well, you know what?

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS BORN!!!!!!!!

This car chase. Its balls-to-the-wallness. Its brevity. Its utter coolmother[censored]erness. Its wonderful opening shot and its, erm, intercutting and that. It's---- Dude, how I'm even still here to tell the tale....

The Editing of the action scenes in the early part of this flick is so SWEEEEEEEEEEEET that editors Matt Chessé and Richard Pearson should instead have been credited as Juxtapositioners of Juicy Stuff That's So Sweet It's Like Sugar (told ya my stabs at humour would be poor, didn't I?). The Palio pursuit makes Bourne (yes, I've mentioned him - sue me) look like Grandpa Simpson. It makes John McClane look like John McCain (oh, shut up, Loom, you're not funny).

And I'll tell you what I love about the Palio stuff, sadistic though it makes me sound: I love it that
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. It's something I've wanted to see in Bond since, well, ever. (Geeks may be reminded of an episode in NEVER DREAM OF DYING.) Makes it more gritty, like. Seriously, though, it's a touch that carries a real charge.

The makers of QUANTUM OF SOLACE made a smart choice in hiring Herr Doktor Forster, for the bald boffin's visual flair is a thing to behold. He's a stylish little blighter, I'll give him that. And in collaboration with colleagues like production designer Dennis Gassner and a director of photography who for the moment shall remain nameless 'coz his surname doesn't begin with an H, he's given us a Bond yarn with such an abundance of beautiful images that it's up there not only with the likes of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and CASINO ROYALE but also with the works of Wong Kar Wai and his cinematographical cohort Chris Doyle. But it ain't all fashion mag spread stuff, oh no - I never reckoned, for instance, that we'd ever in a Bond flick see such a realistically grotty London skyline as the one that's visible through the windows of a villain's flat. I didn't quite know what to make of it, like much in this movie. But I liked it a lot.

I is, of course, for Ian Fleming, without whom, etc. Moving on swiftly (to quote Terry Christian):

Jason Bourne. Which starts with a J. As does James Bond. Did you see what I did there? Now, look, let's not pretend that Jason Bourne has not been an influence - such a dodging of the facts insults the intelligence. That Bond has always absorbed outside influences (whether themselves Birthed By Bond™ or not) is no disgrace to Bond, and is also a huge reason for the continued success and relevance of 007. The day that the Bond series takes its finger off the pulse is the day that it dies. And as a Bourne fan as well as Bond fan I'm delighted by the Bourne influence on the Craig era. Eon picked the right role model. As usual.

As with the last two Bourne outings, THE BOND SUPREM----, sorry, QUANTUM OF SOLACE doesn't feature much Kiss Kiss (although it does boast some genuinely erotic, erm, little touches [fnarr]), concentrating instead on Bang Bang. Which is something that it does bloody well.

Although I still maintain that the dogfight/freefall is a fundamentally Brosnanesque affair that doesn't belong in what is otherwise generally an appropriately gritty and Craigian motion picture. Along with the Haiti boat chase (which I found both extraneous and underwhelming), it's something I wish had been excised. Which leads me to what is quite possibly my number one gripe about QUANTUM:

I think it's too Long. Yep, you read that right. I know that it's The Shortest Bond Film Ever™, and the way that people have harped on about its running time it's as though Eon has given us a Mack Sennett short, but I actually found it overlong. I think it could have lost ooh, twenty minutes, say - most of those minutes action-filled. It just gets repetitive after a while, and the action (which is initially blinding) does get less impressive as the film goes on.

Still, there's always Mathis, a sort of father figure to our hero around whom some of QUANTUM's finest moments seem to converge, like flies around a golden turd. When he's onscreen, even Bond has some stiff competition in the coolness stakes, and his presence is responsible not only for some of the flick's most emotionally affecting bits (where you can almost sense Fleming smiling down on the filmmakers, albeit that this ain't exactly Fleming's vision of Mathis, but old Ian is, I trust, smiling down indulgently) but also for one of its funniest bits. At least, I think it's a funny bit - it may have been unintentional, and I may have read way too much into it, but I almost spat my popcorn Simon Pegg-style onto the back of the person in front of me when Bond goes up to the door of Mathis' villa and---- you'll love this, I promise, Bond knocks on the door
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I nearly died. It was beautiful. If I've misinterpreted this bit, I just don't even want to know.

Where are we up to? Oh, N. Well, having - I sincerely hope *surveys room with cold Craigian stare* - laid the bogey that this film has No humour, it's time, I think, to move on to the crushing inevitability that is the unloved season of the deeply fannish question of whether QUANTUM OF SOLACE measures up to such classics of Bondage as ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.

"Too early to say, squire," is my reply, "although it's safe to say that it's one of the ten best Bond pictures ever. Probably. I don't think it's as perfect as CASINO ROYALE, by any stretch, for it does have its flaws. But when it's good, it's very, very good, and, frankly, that's all that I care about right now."

What would those flaws be, then? Well, the Plot, as others have noted, is Pants. But even Fellmmmming was responsible for more than a few plot holes, gaps in logic and assorted howlers, so I ain't that bothered. As QUANTUM's supporters (hi, ACE and Zorin, if you've made it this far) have stated, this is something of A Lean, Mean Novella of A Bond Film™ (although, as I say, I'd argue that it's actually rather too long, overburdened with unnecessary action). As I pontificated on another thread t'other day:

Fleming's much-maligned THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is like a dub version of a Bond novel, with the occasional snippets of trad Bond that drop in and out of the mix being swamped by an emphasis on echo and reverb that floods the book with atmosphere. Critics have sneered at TMWTGG as a slight piece of work, a novella lacking substance, but it's all about the bass and riddim, making it arguably the most vibrant of Bond books, Fleming as a dancehall selector conjuring a sensual shadowplay of silhouettes through the sweat and ganja smoke. It's a novel to be felt, not read, and is, in its way, one of the greatest treasures of the Bond universe - certainly one of the most surprising.

I feel kinda the same way about QUANTUM. Y'know.

But, yeah, I have my QUANTUM OF QUIBBLES. The climax, featuring an assault by Bond and Camille (the latter here filling Jinx's shoes somewhat tiresomely as a Buttkicking Babe™) on a desert hotel so chic and minimalist that it doesn't appear to have any guests, or staff, or.... anything: this climax is MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE IIish, groaning with ripe dialogue that, as in other scenes, really ought to have been looked at again by the filmmakers. Too often do characters come out with lines like "But what will the CIA do when they find out they've been burned?", lines that just seem hammy and cliché-ridden and, well, wrong. Which is a pity, since there's so much about QUANTUM that's absolutely dead-on

Right.

The Stuff at the opera house, for instance. Amazing. I thought it was going to be like the part in FACE/OFF where "Over the Rainbow" plays incongruously over a shootout, but it's, erm, not. It is really cool, though, and a real treat for the eyes.

TOSCA aside, there ain't much musical awesomeness in QUANTUM. Arnold's okay but little more ("No Interest in Dominic Greene", which you'll find on the soundtrack CD, has a wonderfully YOLTish Barry flavour, though), and I can't quite decide where I stand on "Another Way to Die". It's awful, it truly, truly is, but at the same time it's got a screamingly camp quality and similarity to Lulu's "The Man With the Golden Gun" that I can but enjoy.

Until I saw it, I didn't know what to think about the opening credits animation. Obviously. But, actually, I still don't. I admire it, perhaps more than I actually like it, possibly because, like many other things about QUANTUM, it's so obviously a case of GETTING BOND WRONG!!!!!!!! that's it just deliciously right. It seems much more appropriate to a '70s sci-fi flick from MGM like LOGAN'S RUN or WESTWORLD. But, hey, that's cool. And, besides, the PTS is so flat-out incredible that the animation could have been replaced by clips from LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE and still I'd have been geeking out.

It's a Very vibrant film in places, QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and it's this vibrancy, this visual verve, that carries it through its lumpy bits and confusing (okay, call me thick if you like, I don't care, sticks and stones....) passages, along with Craig's magnificent performance. He's ably supported by Giancarlo G, Olga K (kah, these foreigners with their difficult surnames!), Mat A and even (and this surprised me, given the stick she's gotten) Gemma Arterton. The guy who plays Medrano, Joaquim Phoenix or whoever - this cat is creepy. Brrrrrrrr. Vicious little so-and-so.

Dench ain't too shabby, either, although, c'mon, I did eventually start feeling that she's so ridiculously omnipresent, seemingly anticipating 007's every Bournian lightning-speed switch of location, that she must be a telepathic teleporter. And, I'm sorry, but look, the final scene. In a shabby apartment. In Moscow. If it isn't Bourne then I, my friends, am Daniel Craig. Given Forster's penchant for a striking font, Would. It. Have. Killed. Him. to set this final encounter in, say, Shanghai or Seoul or Tokyo (giving him a few lovely Chinese ideograms to play with), or, I dunno, Bombay or somewhere else where A. Bond's never been (or not been recently), B. (and more to the point) Bourne's not just visited yesterday, and C. they write in eyecatching scripts?

At the very least, you wouldn't get Wankers on the internet complaining: "but it's copied from the final scene of The Bourne Supremacy, Eon have lost the art of makign Bond films they're just ripping of Jason BoiurneandFlemmmmmmmming would be rolling his grave!".

X

Yeah, I really enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE, by and large. Since Zorin doesn't reckon films ought to be given ratings out of 10, I'm delighted to give it a very respectable 8. But I ain't gonna say out of what. :)

And, oh, yeah,

BOND IS BACK! :)

#2 Harmsway

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:40 PM

Glad you liked it, Loomster. I can't wait to see it for myself.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:43 PM

At least, I think it's a funny bit - it may have been unintentional, and I may have read way too much into it, but I almost spat my popcorn Simon Pegg-style onto the back of the person in front of me when Bond goes up to the door of Mathis' villa and---- you'll love this, I promise, Bond knocks on the door

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I nearly died. It was beautiful. If I've misinterpreted this bit, I just don't even want to know


Hell, I missed that! I'll pay a deadly attention next time. That's awesome!

Very nice review, Loomis, glad you liked it! :(

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:48 PM

At least, I think it's a funny bit - it may have been unintentional, and I may have read way too much into it, but I almost spat my popcorn Simon Pegg-style onto the back of the person in front of me when Bond goes up to the door of Mathis' villa and---- you'll love this, I promise, Bond knocks on the door

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I nearly died. It was beautiful. If I've misinterpreted this bit, I just don't even want to know


Hell, I missed that! I'll pay a deadly attention next time. That's awesome!

Very nice review, Loomis, glad you liked it! :(


And there was me wondering why he was avoiding the huge and obvious doorknocker! Damn - I'll have to look out for this next time...

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:48 PM

Nice. Although I shudder to think how long this took.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:51 PM

A Robert Sterling effort Loomis. I'm glad you liked and apparently got the film. I thought you might.

I will allow you to give it what you want out of ten. Just this once. Just don't make a habit of it....

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 07:56 PM

I'm glad you liked and apparently got the film. I thought you might.


hA...how could he not after you drummed the thesis into everyone's head over the past eight or nine days!!!

PS

You're not half bad at doing Funny, Loomie. :(

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:11 PM

I'll tell you another bit I loved. This is from Fleming's CASINO ROYALE:

(Bond's) last action was to slip his right hand under the pillow until it rested under the butt of the .38 Colt Police Positive with the sawn barrel. Then he slept, and with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished, his features relapsed into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal and cold.

I thought of that description during the scene where Bond is fighting a man upside down on ropes and scaffolding after the fall from the bell tower. There's this wonderful shot where the expression on Craig's face recalls Michael Myers, that moment in HALLOWEEN (Carpenter version) when he pins a guy to a wall and then sorta pauses and cocks his head and examines him with a spooky curiosity you can sense through the mask. Truly, this is not a Bond to be :(ed with!

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:13 PM

Alright Loomis, here's some questions:

-Why do you think the final scene (you called it the BOND SUPREMACY moment) falters? So many others on here think it's one of the best bits of the film.

-What do you make of Amalric's Dominic Greene?

-Do you object to the airplane sequence purely on your principle of "Bond shouldn't fly," or is it more ridiculous than that?

-Where do you see BOND 23 going in terms of tone (and narrative direction)?

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:14 PM

Saw QUANTUM OF SOLACE today. With a few reservations, I loved it. So, then, sans further ado, I present my Jimtastic "review". Beware SPOILERS, as well as the sort of feeble attempts at unnecessary so-called comic relief that the Bond series seems thankfully to have left behind for now.

A is for a purple-faced Alan Partridge screaming "STOP GETTING BOND WRONG!!!!!!!!", forgetting, of course, that it's actually impossible to get Bond wrong (or at least curiously difficult to do so). I mean, you can't even get him wrong if you put him in outer space (mind you, I say this as a lover of MOONRAKER, a film I understand some Bond fans Refuse to Accept™, although I feel sorry for such people) or have him played by a blond little squirt whose face suggests an experiment to mate Vladimir Putin with Sid James. Indeed, the more you go in directions that - on paper, at least - seem to guarantee an outcome of "getting Bond wrong", the more likely you are to get him stunningly right. Counterintuitively enough.

See, Bond is nothing if not a broad church, and I honestly don't believe it possible for a Bond fan to be a "traditionalist". I mean, think about it. How many franchises have chopped and changed styles as much as Bond (both literary and cinematic), virtually always coming out stronger for it?

I always find it bizarre when Bond fans appear resistant to change, for change is the one thing that has always saved the series' bacon. Indeed, I think a Bond fan who's resistant to change is almost a contradiction in terms. Eon has always been smart enough to know when to shake up The Formula™, and it's in change that you'll find the lifeblood of Bond, the very reason for its extraordinary longevity and success.

And if there's one thing even a little green man from Mars probably knows about QUANTUM OF SOLACE, it's that it's

Bold. And different.

Now, C is for Craig Daniels. I feel it's almost unnecessary to mention Cregg, for at this point in the long and glorious history of 007 our Dan really ought to go without saying. His only serious rival is the Connery of the first three films. Gratuitous and unpleasant though it may be to boost the current incumbent by slagging his predecessors, the others (save for Sean) are basically just :(ing wankers by comparison. Craig owns James Bond. You may think Eon and Ian Fleming Publications own James Bond, but they don't - he's owned by the Cragmeister. End of.

As everybody's favourite blinger with a slick trigger finger for Her Majesty ("That's because you know what I can do with my slick trigger finger, Ma'am"), Craig is absolutely flawless. Flawless!

Don't tell me that the PTS of QoS doesn't show 007 at his absolute badass bestest. I thought GOLDENEYE had a terrific start, that GOLDFINGER had the daddy of all PTSes, that CASINO ROYALE relaunched our boy with a bang, that THE SPY WHO LOVED ME started well, that TWINE and DAD had decent pre-credits sequences. Well, you know what?

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS BORN!!!!!!!!

This car chase. Its balls-to-the-wallness. Its brevity. Its utter coolmother[censored]erness. Its wonderful opening shot and its, erm, intercutting and that. It's---- Dude, how I'm even still here to tell the tale....

The Editing of the action scenes in the early part of this flick is so SWEEEEEEEEEEEET that editors Matt Chessé and Richard Pearson should instead have been credited as Juxtapositioners of Juicy Stuff That's So Sweet It's Like Sugar (told ya my stabs at humour would be poor, didn't I?). The Palio pursuit makes Bourne (yes, I've mentioned him - sue me) look like Grandpa Simpson. It makes John McClane look like John McCain (oh, shut up, Loom, you're not funny).

And I'll tell you what I love about the Palio stuff, sadistic though it makes me sound: I love it that

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. It's something I've wanted to see in Bond since, well, ever. (Geeks may be reminded of an episode in NEVER DREAM OF DYING.) Makes it more gritty, like. Seriously, though, it's a touch that carries a real charge.

The makers of QUANTUM OF SOLACE made a smart choice in hiring Herr Doktor Forster, for the bald boffin's visual flair is a thing to behold. He's a stylish little blighter, I'll give him that. And in collaboration with colleagues like production designer Dennis Gassner and a director of photography who for the moment shall remain nameless 'coz his surname doesn't begin with an H, he's given us a Bond yarn with such an abundance of beautiful images that it's up there not only with the likes of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and CASINO ROYALE but also with the works of Wong Kar Wai and his cinematographical cohort Chris Doyle. But it ain't all fashion mag spread stuff, oh no - I never reckoned, for instance, that we'd ever in a Bond flick see such a realistically grotty London skyline as the one that's visible through the windows of a villain's flat. I didn't quite know what to make of it, like much in this movie. But I liked it a lot.

I is, of course, for Ian Fleming, without whom, etc. Moving on swiftly (to quote Terry Christian):

Jason Bourne. Which starts with a J. As does James Bond. Did you see what I did there? Now, look, let's not pretend that Jason Bourne has not been an influence - such a dodging of the facts insults the intelligence. That Bond has always absorbed outside influences (whether themselves Birthed By Bond™ or not) is no disgrace to Bond, and is also a huge reason for the continued success and relevance of 007. The day that the Bond series takes its finger off the pulse is the day that it dies. And as a Bourne fan as well as Bond fan I'm delighted by the Bourne influence on the Craig era. Eon picked the right role model. As usual.

As with the last two Bourne outings, THE BOND SUPREM----, sorry, QUANTUM OF SOLACE doesn't feature much Kiss Kiss (although it does boast some genuinely erotic, erm, little touches [fnarr]), concentrating instead on Bang Bang. Which is something that it does bloody well.

Although I still maintain that the dogfight/freefall is a fundamentally Brosnanesque affair that doesn't belong in what is otherwise generally an appropriately gritty and Craigian motion picture. Along with the Haiti boat chase (which I found both extraneous and underwhelming), it's something I wish had been excised. Which leads me to what is quite possibly my number one gripe about QUANTUM:

I think it's too Long. Yep, you read that right. I know that it's The Shortest Bond Film Ever™, and the way that people have harped on about its running time it's as though Eon has given us a Mack Sennett short, but I actually found it overlong. I think it could have lost ooh, twenty minutes, say - most of those minutes action-filled. It just gets repetitive after a while, and the action (which is initially blinding) does get less impressive as the film goes on.

Still, there's always Mathis, a sort of father figure to our hero around whom some of QUANTUM's finest moments seem to converge, like flies around a golden turd. When he's onscreen, even Bond has some stiff competition in the coolness stakes, and his presence is responsible not only for some of the flick's most emotionally affecting bits (where you can almost sense Fleming smiling down on the filmmakers, albeit that this ain't exactly Fleming's vision of Mathis, but old Ian is, I trust, smiling down indulgently) but also for one of its funniest bits. At least, I think it's a funny bit - it may have been unintentional, and I may have read way too much into it, but I almost spat my popcorn Simon Pegg-style onto the back of the person in front of me when Bond goes up to the door of Mathis' villa and---- you'll love this, I promise, Bond knocks on the door
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I nearly died. It was beautiful. If I've misinterpreted this bit, I just don't even want to know.

Where are we up to? Oh, N. Well, having - I sincerely hope *surveys room with cold Craigian stare* - laid the bogey that this film has No humour, it's time, I think, to move on to the crushing inevitability that is the unloved season of the deeply fannish question of whether QUANTUM OF SOLACE measures up to such classics of Bondage as ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.

"Too early to say, squire," is my reply, "although it's safe to say that it's one of the ten best Bond pictures ever. Probably. I don't think it's as perfect as CASINO ROYALE, by any stretch, for it does have its flaws. But when it's good, it's very, very good, and, frankly, that's all that I care about right now."

What would those flaws be, then? Well, the Plot, as others have noted, is Pants. But even Fellmmmming was responsible for more than a few plot holes, gaps in logic and assorted howlers, so I ain't that bothered. As QUANTUM's supporters (hi, ACE and Zorin, if you've made it this far) have stated, this is something of A Lean, Mean Novella of A Bond Film™ (although, as I say, I'd argue that it's actually rather too long, overburdened with unnecessary action). As I pontificated on another thread t'other day:

Fleming's much-maligned THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN is like a dub version of a Bond novel, with the occasional snippets of trad Bond that drop in and out of the mix being swamped by an emphasis on echo and reverb that floods the book with atmosphere. Critics have sneered at TMWTGG as a slight piece of work, a novella lacking substance, but it's all about the bass and riddim, making it arguably the most vibrant of Bond books, Fleming as a dancehall selector conjuring a sensual shadowplay of silhouettes through the sweat and ganja smoke. It's a novel to be felt, not read, and is, in its way, one of the greatest treasures of the Bond universe - certainly one of the most surprising.

I feel kinda the same way about QUANTUM. Y'know.

But, yeah, I have my QUANTUM OF QUIBBLES. The climax, featuring an assault by Bond and Camille (the latter here filling Jinx's shoes somewhat tiresomely as a Buttkicking Babe™) on a desert hotel so chic and minimalist that it doesn't appear to have any guests, or staff, or.... anything: this climax is MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE IIish, groaning with ripe dialogue that, as in other scenes, really ought to have been looked at again by the filmmakers. Too often do characters come out with lines like "But what will the CIA do when they find out they've been burned?", lines that just seem hammy and cliché-ridden and, well, wrong. Which is a pity, since there's so much about QUANTUM that's absolutely dead-on

Right.

The Stuff at the opera house, for instance. Amazing. I thought it was going to be like the part in FACE/OFF where "Over the Rainbow" plays incongruously over a shootout, but it's, erm, not. It is really cool, though, and a real treat for the eyes.

TOSCA aside, there ain't much musical awesomeness in QUANTUM. Arnold's okay but little more ("No Interest in Dominic Greene", which you'll find on the soundtrack CD, has a wonderfully YOLTish Barry flavour, though), and I can't quite decide where I stand on "Another Way to Die". It's awful, it truly, truly is, but at the same time it's got a screamingly camp quality and similarity to Lulu's "The Man With the Golden Gun" that I can but enjoy.

Until I saw it, I didn't know what to think about the opening credits animation. Obviously. But, actually, I still don't. I admire it, perhaps more than I actually like it, possibly because, like many other things about QUANTUM, it's so obviously a case of GETTING BOND WRONG!!!!!!!! that's it just deliciously right. It seems much more appropriate to a '70s sci-fi flick from MGM like LOGAN'S RUN or WESTWORLD. But, hey, that's cool. And, besides, the PTS is so flat-out incredible that the animation could have been replaced by clips from LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE and still I'd have been geeking out.

It's a Very vibrant film in places, QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and it's this vibrancy, this visual verve, that carries it through its lumpy bits and confusing (okay, call me thick if you like, I don't care, sticks and stones....) passages, along with Craig's magnificent performance. He's ably supported by Giancarlo G, Olga K (kah, these foreigners with their difficult surnames!), Mat A and even (and this surprised me, given the stick she's gotten) Gemma Arterton. The guy who plays Medrano, Joaquim Phoenix or whoever - this cat is creepy. Brrrrrrrr. Vicious little so-and-so.

Dench ain't too shabby, either, although, c'mon, I did eventually start feeling that she's so ridiculously omnipresent, seemingly anticipating 007's every Bournian lightning-speed switch of location, that she must be a telepathic teleporter. And, I'm sorry, but look, the final scene. In a shabby apartment. In Moscow. If it isn't Bourne then I, my friends, am Daniel Craig. Given Forster's penchant for a striking font, Would. It. Have. Killed. Him. to set this final encounter in, say, Shanghai or Seoul or Tokyo (giving him a few lovely Chinese ideograms to play with), or, I dunno, Bombay or somewhere else where A. Bond's never been (or not been recently), B. (and more to the point) Bourne's not just visited yesterday, and C. they write in eyecatching scripts?

At the very least, you wouldn't get Wankers on the internet complaining: "but it's copied from the final scene of The Bourne Supremacy, Eon have lost the art of makign Bond films they're just ripping of Jason BoiurneandFlemmmmmmmming would be rolling his grave!".

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Yeah, I really enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE, by and large. Since Zorin doesn't reckon films ought to be given ratings of 10, I'm delighted to give it a very respectable 8. But I ain't gonna say out of what. :)

And, oh, yeah,

BOND IS BACK! :)


I'll tell you another bit I loved. This is from Fleming's CASINO ROYALE:

(Bond's) last action was to slip his right hand under the pillow until it rested under the butt of the .38 Colt Police Positive with the sawn barrel. Then he slept, and with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished, his features relapsed into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal and cold.

I thought of that description during the scene where Bond is fighting a man upside down on ropes and scaffolding after the fall from the bell tower. There's this wonderful shot where the expression on Craig's face recalls Michael Myers, that moment in HALLOWEEN (Carpenter version) when he pins a guy to a wall and then sorta pauses and cocks his head and examines him with a spooky curiosity you can sense through the mask. Truly, this is not a Bond to be :)ed with!



Ah jes, ah jes, ah jes caint right thaink y'all enought fo dis 'ere review, Loomis.
Hit funny, hit horiginal en hit right on the moneh (erm, in places).
Word ;) :D :)
So glad and relieved you enjoyed the movie (assuming you actually saw it :) ). So far, all the sensible people have.
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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:18 PM

Fantastic review and I agree with almost every word of it.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:32 PM

Why do you think the final scene (you called it the BOND SUPREMACY moment) falters? So many others on here think it's one of the best bits of the film.


Okay.

I found it confusing. There's not just Yusef (as I'm sure you know, you old spoiler junkie :) ), there's another character, too, and I couldn't join the dots as to who that character was, how Bond knew so much about that character, and all the whys and wherefores. Perhaps the fault is mine, though. Thinking it over, I can sorta piece it together, but it struck me as a bit like how Bond's ability in CR to get M's computer passwords and break into her flat is explained not at all and thus comes across a bit of a cheat and laziness on the filmmakers' part.

And I also found it a cop-out that Bond's meeting with Yusef takes place almost entirely offscreen. We don't find out what they say to each other. I guess some will argue that that Bond encounters Yusef and thereby gets some of his, uh, quantum of solace is all we need to know - that the fact of Bond's "closure" is vastly more important than what he says to and learns from Yusef. And I guess that's valid. I mean, I do like it when filmmakers trust their viewers enough to leave certain things to their imagination. Does Bond beat Yusef up or does he not even harm him in any way? You decide. But, still, it did also feel like something of a cop-out on one level.

And then there's M's miraculous presence at the scene, which by this point in the film has become utterly laughable. The Amazing Teleporting M! And it isn't helped by the dialogue (M actually says something like "I want you to come back", a line that's uttered in everything from COMMANDO to, well, you name it). I just felt it to be a flat, fudged ending. Could have been great, with a less Bournian location, some suspense and some great dramatic writing. As it stands, it ain't. My goodness, the gunbarrel was a welcome blast of ":( yeah!" excitement after that.

What do you make of Amalric's Dominic Greene?


Excellent. Not underused at all (unlike what I'd been led to believe by some). Some questionable dialogue, mind (particularly when we first encounter him in Haiti), but a cool character and a fine performance.

Do you object to the airplane sequence purely on your principle of "Bond shouldn't fly," or is it more ridiculous than that?


No, I've decided I don't actually mind Bond flying. That much. I'm not making some kind of stand on principle, really - it's more than that. I just found the sequence underwhelming. Run-of-the-mill. I might as well have been watching MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III. I thought it actually slowed the film down rather than - as you might expect - keeping it moving. Unnecessary.

Where do you see BOND 23 going in terms of tone (and narrative direction)?


I don't know. I guess if QUANTUM does really, really well at the box office and breaks records and so on, Eon will feel encouraged to continue in the same vein and BOND 23 will be the ULTIMATUM to QUANTUM's SUPREMACY, i.e. more of the same. Perhaps Forster will return, becoming the series' Greengrass. I know he's said he won't be back, but it does seem possible. It'll depend on how QUANTUM does and how it's received by the critics (most critics have yet to weigh in, as I understand it, especially Stateside).

Then again, BOND 23 may be much more of a "traditional" Bond flick, closer to CASINO ROYALE, with Moneypenny and Q returning. Or perhaps it'll spin off in some hitherto totally unexpected new direction. Who knows?

What does seem the case, though, is that the series is still "happening". It's firing on all cylinders. I don't think this'll be another LICENCE TO KILL.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:44 PM

So glad and relieved you enjoyed the movie (assuming you actually saw it :) ).


Well, of course, the quality of the pirate DVD left much to be desired. Kidding. I did see this at the cinema - I've even kept my ticket stub as proof! :( I really did see QUANTUM for the first time today.

Although this "review" I actually wrote last week. :)

What would Fat T think of it?


I think he'll consider it A Mixed Bag™. He's pretty unforgiving of shoddy scripting, I think. He'll go wild for Craig and some of the visuals and action scenes but I fancy he'll also want to give his Inner Rye a bit of an airing.

Koolerooni, duderooni and we now need to meet over chopsticks and beer for discussion.


Most definitely. Hopefully I'll be around at some point next month. ;)

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:00 PM

Kwality.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:01 PM

Another thing I love about this film is the whole idea of Quantum, a SPECTRE consisting of evil Peter Mandelson types. And I'm glad that
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survives - I find him such a supercool character.

Although I wouldn't want him to be revealed as
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in BOND 23. I see him as pretty senior, to be sure, but not the number one guy.

That guy should be Sylvester Stallone as a man by the name of RISICO.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:03 PM

RISIC007

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 10:39 PM

Nice read Yoda™.I had to restrain myself from reading all of it pre-viewing cuz that would be a disaster. But the A-Z format works better when the movie sucked, no? :(

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:00 PM

I'm glad you enjoyed it- you make lots of good points in there, faults as well as pluses.
Didn't spot the door knock! I do remember thinking it was an odd rhythm like he'd got the normal door knock wrong, but I suspect you're probably right! Odder things have happened... I look forward to watching that bit again.

Also entirely agree with your take on Gemma Arterton. I really can't see what she does wrong in this.

'Novella' is a great way of putting it. For me it's a little too slight for a follow up to an epic like CR, but a novella is a nice way to look at it. I think it'll make more sense when it's on the shelf inbetween the DVDs of Casino Royale and Dead Men Don't Wear Q Badges or whatever the next one's called.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:12 PM

Don't tell me that the PTS of QoS doesn't show 007 at his absolute badass bestest. I thought GOLDENEYE had a terrific start, that GOLDFINGER had the daddy of all PTSes, that CASINO ROYALE relaunched our boy with a bang, that THE SPY WHO LOVED ME started well, that TWINE and DAD had decent pre-credits sequences. Well, you know what?

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS BORN!!!!!!!!

This car chase. Its balls-to-the-wallness. Its brevity. Its utter coolmother[censored]erness. Its wonderful opening shot and its, erm, intercutting and that. It's---- Dude, how I'm even still here to tell the tale....


I like the bit where one of the Alfas has a head-on crash; that's proper nasty (and maybe another example of innocents getting hurt), but I found the chase unengaging (we need a bit of scene setting- odd though it is to say it, but even James Bond needs introducing. This PTS just makes it seem like his everyday life consists of gunmen following him everywhere. Why should I care this is happening? Don't leave it to Martin Campbell to introduce your characters). The chase itself is okay but a bit Bourne-lite and it did irritate me a little that Bond chooses not to use his greatest weapon- no, not the gun; the Aston. That thing is enormously powerful and there are shots, such as when they've turned up the mountain road to avoid the traffic jam, when his foot should been to the floor and the Alfa in a cloud of dust. Might sound a bit of a car-saddo thing to say, but I think most people know that an Aston V12 is faster than a four door Alfa- in the same way they know Bond's DC3 is outclassed by the Marchetti turboprops later on.
And then Bond shows his amazing cleverness by... shooting them. And that's the end. The freeze frame is a momentary flicker of coolness before we're straight into some standard Bond titles, albeit with cool typography. Casino Royale had an intriguing and hard hitting opening- this was just some loud stuff happening in a not terribly clever or original way. Ther film was losing me at this point.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:15 PM

Why do you think the final scene (you called it the BOND SUPREMACY moment) falters? So many others on here think it's one of the best bits of the film.


Okay.

I found it confusing. There's not just Yusef (as I'm sure you know, you old spoiler junkie :) ), there's another character, too, and I couldn't join the dots as to who that character was, how Bond knew so much about that character, and all the whys and wherefores. Perhaps the fault is mine, though. Thinking it over, I can sorta piece it together, but it struck me as a bit like how Bond's ability in CR to get M's computer passwords and break into her flat is explained not at all and thus comes across a bit of a cheat and laziness on the filmmakers' part.

And I also found it a cop-out that Bond's meeting with Yusef takes place almost entirely offscreen. We don't find out what they say to each other. I guess some will argue that that Bond encounters Yusef and thereby gets some of his, uh, quantum of solace is all we need to know - that the fact of Bond's "closure" is vastly more important than what he says to and learns from Yusef. And I guess that's valid. I mean, I do like it when filmmakers trust their viewers enough to leave certain things to their imagination. Does Bond beat Yusef up or does he not even harm him in any way? You decide. But, still, it did also feel like something of a cop-out on one level.

And then there's M's miraculous presence at the scene, which by this point in the film has become utterly laughable. The Amazing Teleporting M! And it isn't helped by the dialogue (M actually says something like "I want you to come back", a line that's uttered in everything from COMMANDO to, well, you name it). I just felt it to be a flat, fudged ending. Could have been great, with a less Bournian location, some suspense and some great dramatic writing. As it stands, it ain't. My goodness, the gunbarrel was a welcome blast of ":( yeah!" excitement after that.


Quite surprised by this, to be honest!

It's not really laziness to suggest that Bond and MI6 can gather intel. When M hands Bond a dossier, we don't need to see how each piece of information was found. It's set-up at the start that MI6 is on the case tracking Yusef down. I'm happy to believe they finally located the guy of an alias/stolen ID he was using, or whatever.

Spoiler


As to the meeting with Yusef, there's not much to be said. We already know what he did. The important factor is one thing: does Bond kill him? Is he about revenge or duty?

But hey, one man's economic storytelling is another man's cop-out, I can see that!

As to M's presence - my take is that she let him go in first. There will have been a team nearby, and she allowed Bond to go in ahead of them, as a consideration. (And, frankly, because one agent is less likely to get the girl killed in a crossfire.) It's a very 70s thriller kind of conclusion. I'm very keen on it.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:51 PM

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Interesting. You may well be right.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a hardhitting and haunting experience. It has its flaws (I really wish that the dogfight and, particularly, the freefall had been dropped - this stretch of the film really mars it and just plain isn't appropriate for Craig's 007), but in many ways it's very impressive and even sobering stuff.

Like THE DARK KNIGHT (although I hesitate to make the comparison because it's as obvious a comparison as, well, Bourne), it's a film that really rattles around in your head afterwards, refusing to be dislodged. It gets to one. I really love the likes of GOLDENEYE and DIE ANOTHER DAY (to cite the more recent outings), but they certainly don't affect me in this way. Not, of course, that they're supposed to. They are what they are, and this is what it is. That's what's so great about the Bond series - it has everything. Films for every mood and occasion.

Of course, there have been "moving" Bond films before, notably OHMSS and CR, which are both terrific and both probably more "perfect" as films than QoS (being virtually free of flaws). But QoS' imperfections somehow make it - forgive me, I'm gonna get really pretentious and Private Eye Pseuds' Cornerish now - more human and interesting an experience, just as CraigBond's obvious character and emotional defects make him more real and compelling than, say, jolly Roger (wonderful though the Mooremeister is in his own way, of course).

But what, I think, really sets QoS apart from all the others is that it truly makes Bond's world of espionage seem an utterly nasty business. Now, this ain't exactly new (Bourne touches on it, obviously, but not as powerfully as QoS does), but it's new for the Bond series. In virtually all of the other Bond films (as well as in, it must be said, virtually all of the Fleming novels and those of his successors), the British secret service and its allies are portrayed as being almost insufferably on the side of the angels. Bond only kills those who are - to quote Arnie in TRUE LIES - all bad, and everything's really a bit of a lark. No innocent bystanders ever get hurt in Bond's missions to recapture stolen nukes or eliminate North Korean space weapons. It is always assumed that the governments of Great Britain and her allies can do no wrong. In retrospect, it's very surprising that it's taken so long for cynicism to arrive in the Bond series.

It's made clear, of course, in CR that M would give Le Chiffre a safe haven in return for his valuable info, meaning that the British government is indeed prepared to sup with the devil, but QoS takes it much further. The world of QoS is really a very bleak, dirty world, and Bond is up to his eyeballs in it. So much for his quantum of solace. If Bond is prepared to chuck a friend's body in a dumpster, it carries chilling implications, regardless of how he may rationalise it. On the surface, QoS is about 007's redemption. Below it, it's the rather horrifying story of his getting sucked deeper and deeper into a world that we now know he'll never get out of. The only small consolation for the audience is that we're aware that he is, at least, one of the good guys. Relatively speaking, that is.

In Fleming's OHMSS, there's a line to the effect that Bond, while he may be reminiscing about his childhood as he waits on the beach, is "now a man with years of dirty and dangerous memories - a spy". And QoS makes the viewer really feel the dirt and the danger, and the pain. This is the story of how he got that way. Never has a celluloid Bond been less of an aspirational fantasy figure than Craig's. In CR and in this flick, the man goes through absolute :(ing hell. By comparison, Bourne's life is simply all fun and games (perhaps there ought to be a sort of CBn swear box docking cash every time someone mentions Bourne).

As I seem to recall Jim pointing out in his review, QoS is truly a film that dwells on the consequences of violence. In many ways, it's not an easy watch.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:59 PM

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Interesting. You may well be right.



Come on Loomer- she's even got the love knot on. It's not exactly subtext.

What I don't get is why Bond slips the Yusef thingy in his pocket at the beginning; is he going after him alone? There's no implication that he has as M is stood outside and he doesn't seem very surprised. Seems like it's just something they put in there because it looked good at the time, as with most of the film. And as Greene gets him no closer to Yusef (or is he supposed to have told Bond something in Ranger Rover number 3? Honestly- Bond manages to sit in at least three Ranger Rovers in this film) it feels like the whole Greene plot has been a bit of a distraction. The plots aren't woven together: you could remove Quantum from Greene and the story would lose nothing.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 12:03 AM

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Interesting. You may well be right.



Come on Loomer- she's even got the love knot on. It's not exactly subtext.


DOH!

Just going back to Bourne - sorry - I am aware (lest I be accused by anyone of thinking that QoS was inspired by only one other thing) that Forster's influences go way beyond the rival Greengrass spy franchise. I was reminded of the likes of CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER, THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES, THE QUIET AMERICAN and THE WILD BUNCH. The man clearly knows his cinema and clearly has good taste.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 12:39 AM

Of course, there have been "moving" Bond films before, notably OHMSS and CR, which are both terrific and both probably more "perfect" as films than QoS (being virtually free of flaws).

I dispute that OHMSS is virtually free of flaws. In my mind, it's still one of the best Bond entries, but has a number of pretty significant missteps that keep it from gracing the level of true perfection.

As I seem to recall Jim pointing out in his review, QoS is truly a film that dwells on the consequences of violence. In many ways, it's not an easy watch.

Incredible that we're saying this about a Bond film.

I can't wait to see what EON does next. Say what you will about Babs and MGW during the Brosnan era, but they really grew a pair. This new-and-improved risky franchise is a wonderful thing to have.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 01:41 PM

Of course, there have been "moving" Bond films before, notably OHMSS and CR, which are both terrific and both probably more "perfect" as films than QoS (being virtually free of flaws).

I dispute that OHMSS is virtually free of flaws. In my mind, it's still one of the best Bond entries, but has a number of pretty significant missteps that keep it from gracing the level of true perfection.


Perhaps, but I do think it's less flawed than QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

I can't wait to see what EON does next. Say what you will about Babs and MGW during the Brosnan era, but they really grew a pair. This new-and-improved risky franchise is a wonderful thing to have.


Indeed. Although among QUANTUM's flaws are a few silly Brosnanesque flourishes dotted about the film, e.g. at one point Bond takes the hugely improbable step of delivering an unfunny quip before shooting someone, with his victim in any case on the other side of a thick piece of glass and thus unable to even comprehend the quip unless he's a damn good lipreader.

It's not that QUANTUM is too radical, bold and risk-taking a film. If anything, it's not radical, bold and risk-taking enough. It's touches like the abovementioned that undercut the film's commendable seriousness and appear to reveal crises of confidence on the filmmaker's part re: their own abilities.

Don't get me wrong, though: overall, QUANTUM is still, to quote Uncle Benny in LETHAL WEAPON 4, bloody marvellous, and these flaws are pretty minor in the scheme of things. But they're still flaws.

Going back to the influences on this flick, another movie that QUANTUM reminds me of is Shinji Aoyama's remarkable EUREKA. Both make striking use of desolate, mournful landscapes as mirrors of their protagonists' mindscapes as they journey towards redemption and "closure". I wouldn't be at all surprised if Forster has seen this film and admires it:

http://en.wikipedia....eka_(2000_film)

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 01:47 PM

Splendid review, Loomis. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. I imagine I will be joining you in praising this film. It really does seem we have something special here with QoS.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 01:58 PM

Of course, there have been "moving" Bond films before, notably OHMSS and CR, which are both terrific and both probably more "perfect" as films than QoS (being virtually free of flaws).

I dispute that OHMSS is virtually free of flaws. In my mind, it's still one of the best Bond entries, but has a number of pretty significant missteps that keep it from gracing the level of true perfection.


Definitely- a largely charisma and talent-free star and a love plot, central to the movie, which is developed entirely through a montage (?!) are two pretty big flaws.

I can't wait to see what EON does next. Say what you will about Babs and MGW during the Brosnan era, but they really grew a pair. This new-and-improved risky franchise is a wonderful thing to have.


That's a symptom of the problem for me- QoS leaves me wondering what the next one will be like rather than basking in the memory of the film I've just watched. I'm more interested to see the next film than I am this one.

It's not that QUANTUM is too radical, bold and risk-taking a film. If anything, it's not radical, bold and risk-taking enough.



Hugely agree- it's a fun Bond film but it's not good enough to be CR's sequel.

It really does seem we have something special here with QoS.



Not really. Casino Royale was something special- this is just another Bond film with a few elements flubbed. Which is fine of course.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 01:59 PM

It really does seem we have something special here with QoS.


Rest assured, for all its flaws, we do. We really do.

And, Harms, you're gonna love this flick. It may even match THE DARK KNIGHT in your book. :(

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 02:18 PM

And, Harms, you're gonna love this flick.

That's what you said to me about CASINO ROYALE. :(

It may even match THE DARK KNIGHT in your book. :)

That's a tall order (especially since I think slightly higher of THE DARK KNIGHT than I do of CASINO ROYALE, and I don't imagine QUANTUM OF SOLACE taking out CASINO ROYALE for the #1 Bond flick position). But if it happens, I won't complain in the slightest.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 06:18 PM

Of course, there have been "moving" Bond films before, notably OHMSS and CR, which are both terrific and both probably more "perfect" as films than QoS (being virtually free of flaws).

I dispute that OHMSS is virtually free of flaws. In my mind, it's still one of the best Bond entries, but has a number of pretty significant missteps that keep it from gracing the level of true perfection.


Definitely- a largely charisma and talent-free star and a love plot, central to the movie, which is developed entirely through a montage (?!) are two pretty big flaws.


Can't agree, guys. For some reason, OHMSS was the Bond flick I most wanted to watch after seeing QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and so I duly slid it into my DVD player.

I'd forgotten quite how wonderful it is. I don't see any "pretty significant missteps", and Laz's performance only seems better and better as time passes.

One thing that surprised me was the CARRY ONish nature of some of the quips ("A slight stiffness coming on", indeed!), but, hey, it's not as though I'm a sophisticate when it comes to humour. I think pretty much everything about OHMSS still holds up remarkably well, and it boasts some beautiful images to rival even the mighty visual eye of Herr Doktor Forster (that lovely shot of the word "CASINO" reflected in the swimming pool gets me going every time).