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[Safari Suit]

How about a underwater parkour sequence with Bond and sharks?

How about "Bond Vs. Jaws*".

*The Shark, not the other one

[jaguar007]

Make that frikkin' sharks with "lazer beams"

Bond's sharks never had laser beams. Bond films are realistic and real sharks dont have laser beams.

It was a line from Austin Powers

[dodge]

Here's an idea, let's have Craig be his own Bond. I don't want Craig to try and mimic anyone else, I want him to play the role his way, that means his own look as well.

You know what? Your absolutely right! Screw it. Maybe he should just stop wearing tuxedos and suits altogether too since that's what they did in the old movies. We don't want Craig to be known as that other handsome debonair James Bond right?

Craig shouldn't mimic anyone, and he should do his own thing, but classic style has always been part of James Bond and has been consistent with all of the previous actors.

Pardon me, but that's not what you said in you original post. You were mentioing to change Craig's looks so he'd be closer to Connery, considering all the prior Bond's resembled Connery in some way (the part in the hair was usually the same) this is not a bad argument. It's just that we don't need that anymore, I'm tired of the Bond actors being judged on how they look in comparison to the old Bond's. With Craig, it seemed the producers were saying: "We're not falling into an old trap of casting based on type, we're casting based on skill. Craig more than showed us he's a great actor, let's just let him do his thing.

And honestly? I really wouldnt be too broken up if Bond started dressing down a bit more (not losing his style, just losing his tuxes). He really should only wear them when the situation calls for it.

Bravo. And furthermore, to make sure we all got the point that they were sick and tired of bank shots off Connery's image: Craig wasn't sporting body hair. I salute the differences. In another film or two, if he chooses to sport a new hairstyle, okay. Men do that every now and then. But I too hope he begins dressing down except for a suit or a tux when required. Sean did his thing and that was great. But a half-century later, let's play a new groove and give Bond a smidgin of funky new soul.

[Stephen Spotswood]

How about we give Daniel Craig a chest toupee?

[Egyptian Bond]

i totally agree...although Craig did really show us enough expessions...especially when he was killing the guy in the sink..amazing..and cold as it should be..gave me a chill

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Perhaps Craig should just wear Connery

[Agent Carter]

Here's an idea, let's have Craig be his own Bond. I don't want Craig to try and mimic anyone else, I want him to play the role his way, that means his own look as well.

You know what? Your absolutely right! Screw it. Maybe he should just stop wearing tuxedos and suits altogether too since that's what they did in the old movies. We don't want Craig to be known as that other handsome debonair James Bond right?

Craig shouldn't mimic anyone, and he should do his own thing, but classic style has always been part of James Bond and has been consistent with all of the previous actors.

You weren't talking about suits. You wanted to Conneryize him. By putting gel in his hair? Who uses gel anymore? It's not the 80's or 90's. And he does have eyebrows. Their blond, it's what happens when you spend a lot of time in the sun, they lighten even more.

Craig can evolve his Bond, I have faith in his acting abilities.

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Here's an idea, let's have Craig be his own Bond. I don't want Craig to try and mimic anyone else, I want him to play the role his way, that means his own look as well.

You know what? Your absolutely right! Screw it. Maybe he should just stop wearing tuxedos and suits altogether too since that's what they did in the old movies. We don't want Craig to be known as that other handsome debonair James Bond right?

Craig shouldn't mimic anyone, and he should do his own thing, but classic style has always been part of James Bond and has been consistent with all of the previous actors.

You weren't talking about suits. You wanted to Conneryize him. By putting gel in his hair? Who uses gel anymore? It's not the 80's or 90's. And he does have eyebrows. Their blond, it's what happens when you spend a lot of time in the sun, they lighten even more.

Craig can evolve his Bond, I have faith in his acting abilities.

I was talking about having classic style and class, only using Sean Connery as an example. No, I don't want Craig to be a Connery clone, but Criag could put on a more handsome, classic look, while still being hip and contemporary.

Who uses gel any more? Me, for one. I don't know where the hell you've been the last ten years, but guys still use it. Go to any crowded place like a mall, or in any fancy place like a nice club or dance, and you'll see alot of guys still use hair product (including wax, gel, or moose etc.) to make themselves look good.

[Harmsway]

As far as look, I thought Bond in CASINO ROYALE was dead on. I want the same kind of thing - the same combination of suits and non-suit attire, and tuxedoes only when an occaision has a legitimate need for it. In fact, we got so much tux in CASINO ROYALE, let's not have a tux moment in BOND 22. And I want the same hair, though many don't seem to be a fan of the hairdo Craig was sporting in CASINO ROYALE.

It's quite clear that Craig doesn't need a full-blown suit to look classy (see here if you think otherwise). The key isn't to put him in suits, but stylish apparel. Bond needs to be a man of style, and because this isn't 1962 anymore, it should be contemporary style.

[Mr_Clark]

Here's a good idea, why don't we just stick to the Fleming basics? Hmmm....

[Harmsway]

Here's a good idea, why don't we just stick to the Fleming basics? Hmmm....

Because it isn't 1953 anymore.

Regardless, Fleming's Bond was far more casual than Bond has ever been in the films (well, prior to CASINO ROYALE, at any rate).

[Agent Carter]

Here's an idea, let's have Craig be his own Bond. I don't want Craig to try and mimic anyone else, I want him to play the role his way, that means his own look as well.

You know what? Your absolutely right! Screw it. Maybe he should just stop wearing tuxedos and suits altogether too since that's what they did in the old movies. We don't want Craig to be known as that other handsome debonair James Bond right?

Craig shouldn't mimic anyone, and he should do his own thing, but classic style has always been part of James Bond and has been consistent with all of the previous actors.

You weren't talking about suits. You wanted to Conneryize him. By putting gel in his hair? Who uses gel anymore? It's not the 80's or 90's. And he does have eyebrows. Their blond, it's what happens when you spend a lot of time in the sun, they lighten even more.

Craig can evolve his Bond, I have faith in his acting abilities.

I was talking about having classic style and class, only using Sean Connery as an example. No, I don't want Craig to be a Connery clone, but Criag could put on a more handsome, classic look, while still being hip and contemporary.

Who uses gel any more? Me, for one. I don't know where the hell you've been the last ten years, but guys still use it. Go to any crowded place like a mall, or in any fancy place like a nice club or dance, and you'll see alot of guys still use hair product (including wax, gel, or moose etc.) to make themselves look good.

wax, gel or moose?

Are you living in a town that is surrounded by corn or wheat?

at least you didn't say v05 or hairspray.

Most guys (over the age of 25) who care about the way their hair looks aren't gooping their hair up with out of date product. Likethe ones you mentioned.

I just can't see Bond thrusting his hand into a big jar of dippity doo.

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Here's an idea, let's have Craig be his own Bond. I don't want Craig to try and mimic anyone else, I want him to play the role his way, that means his own look as well.

You know what? Your absolutely right! Screw it. Maybe he should just stop wearing tuxedos and suits altogether too since that's what they did in the old movies. We don't want Craig to be known as that other handsome debonair James Bond right?

Craig shouldn't mimic anyone, and he should do his own thing, but classic style has always been part of James Bond and has been consistent with all of the previous actors.

You weren't talking about suits. You wanted to Conneryize him. By putting gel in his hair? Who uses gel anymore? It's not the 80's or 90's. And he does have eyebrows. Their blond, it's what happens when you spend a lot of time in the sun, they lighten even more.

Craig can evolve his Bond, I have faith in his acting abilities.

I was talking about having classic style and class, only using Sean Connery as an example. No, I don't want Craig to be a Connery clone, but Criag could put on a more handsome, classic look, while still being hip and contemporary.

Who uses gel any more? Me, for one. I don't know where the hell you've been the last ten years, but guys still use it. Go to any crowded place like a mall, or in any fancy place like a nice club or dance, and you'll see alot of guys still use hair product (including wax, gel, or moose etc.) to make themselves look good.

wax, gel or moose?

Are you living in a town that is surrounded by corn or wheat?

at least you didn't say v05 or hairspray.

Most guys (over the age of 25) who care about the way their hair looks aren't gooping their hair up with out of date product. Likethe ones you mentioned.

I live in Dallas. Pretty big town of you ask me. And since when is that stuff out of date? Are you bald and so ashamed of your resmblance to either Lex Luthor or Blofeld, that you can't stand to see a man with some stylish hair?


Some people just don't have very good hair textures: either it's too thick, or they can never get it the way they want. A little bit of product helps out alot in those situations.

I just can't see Bond thrusting his hand into a big jar of dippity doo.

That didn't stop him from obviously using a variation of some kind of hair fixing product from 1962 to 2002.
You think Roger Moore and Pierce's hair magically shaped up like that when they woke up in the morning? And even though Sean used a toupee, it looked gelled. Tim didn't seem to care much for it expect for in LTK, but he still occasionally used it.

[B5Erik]

I don't want them to mimic the past, but I do want them to make sure it's the same friggin character!

If he's not going to be James Bond, 007, then just kill the series and call him Jimmy Bourne.

James Bond is classier than most spies that we've seen onscreen. James Bond is smooth, and somewhat debonair. (Connery's Bond was learned debonair to be able to fit in certain circumstances, Moore's Bond was born to it, Dalton was somewhere in between, Brosnan was closer to Moore than Connery in that department, and Craig is less debonair than Connery - he's got a lot of learning to do!)

Just like Dalton did his own thing, I think Craig should be allowed to as well - just make damned sure that he hits all the important marks that are key to who the character has been for over 50 years! They didn't hit a lot of them in CR, but that was intentional (Becoming Bond and all), but they can't do that again in Bond 22.

Not unless they do change him to James Bourne - Jason's British cousin.

(And don't get me wrong - I love the Bourne movies. It's just a different series, and I'd like to see the Bond films remain Bond films. There should be a difference.)

Edited by B5Erik, 07 February 2007 - 04:07 AM.

[Harmsway]

They didn't hit a lot of them in CR, but that was intentional (Becoming Bond and all), but they can't do that again in Bond 22.

They hit all of the essential Bond notes in CASINO ROYALE. They need nothing more.

[JimmyBond]

They didn't hit a lot of them in CR, but that was intentional (Becoming Bond and all), but they can't do that again in Bond 22.

They hit all of the essential Bond notes in CASINO ROYALE. They need nothing more.

Hear hear! I want to see more of this "New" Bond in the future films, not a repeat of the past.

[B5Erik]

I want JAMES FRIGGIN BOND in a James Bond movie, NOT Jason Bourne.

We got James Bourne in CR, but he's not supposed to be the James Bond we've seen for 45 years, and read about for 54 years - he's supposed to be BECOMING that James Bond.

If he doesn't, then the series is dead.

Even in LTK Dalton still hit the marks that make James Bond James Bond.

In CR we got an incredibly angry, bitter James Bond with none of the debonair sophistication that makes the character who he is.

If you really don't want James Bond to act like James Bond then stick to Jason Bourne. Those movies are great!

Don't mess with what makes James Bond great - and different. They messed with it, Craig messed with it - but it fit the premise of the movie. One time, and one time only will that work without the series becoming James Bourne.

Edited by B5Erik, 07 February 2007 - 04:48 AM.

[Loomis]

Wow. I think you're hugely overstating the Bourne influence on Craig's Bond, as well as, frankly, totally ignoring his many Bondian qualities (and as a huge Dalton fan, I'm surprised that you seem blind to Dalton's obvious influence on Craig's performance).

I watched some of THE BOURNE SUPREMACY (yes, it is indeed a great film - there we definitely do agree) last night and could see no influence whatsoever on Craig's 007 from Damon's character, and since this was the first time I'd seen Bourne since CASINO ROYALE I was certainly looking.

They're both young, they're both blond. That's about it.

In SUPREMACY, Bourne has (and this is not a diss, BTW) no humour, no class, no Bondian qualities whatsoever. He barely strings a sentence together during the entire film, which he spends most of mooning around with a grumpy look. There are even plenty of scenes in which he's just sitting there catatonically, Andy Pipkin-like. And this is the guy you say has moulded the current James Bond? Sorry, but looking at Craig in CR I see absolutely no evidence of that.

[Harmsway]

We got James Bourne in CR, but he's not supposed to be the James Bond we've seen for 45 years, and read about for 54 years - he's supposed to be BECOMING that James Bond.

There was nothing Bournelike about Craig's Bond in CASINO ROYALE, aside from the fact that Bond is actually a physical threat this time around. Even then, Craig's Bond is hardly as much of a master of fighting as Bourne is.

And he's somewhat becoming James Bond in terms of his emotional hardening (Campbell made as much clear that Bond's "becoming" Bond was not an exterior thing, but more about taking his arrogance down a peg and making him harder). Otherwise, he's meant to be James Bond in all respects as far as the rest of the film goes. By the end of CASINO ROYALE arrives, he IS the James Bond we know and love. Don't expect any more evolution.

In CR we got an incredibly angry, bitter James Bond with none of the debonair sophistication that makes the character who he is.

Fleming's Bond was very bitter. So was Dalton's.

But in fact, in CASINO ROYALE, Bond is amused and jovial for most of the time. I can't remember the last time Bond seemed to be enjoying himself so much. And not since the Connery days has Bond been quite so witty.

One time, and one time only will that work without the series becoming James Bourne.

I'm glad you're not in charge of the franchise. CASINO ROYALE wasn't just meant to be a step away from formula so things could return. It was an entire restructuring of the franchise for the future.

[Loomis]

In CR we got an incredibly angry, bitter James Bond with none of the debonair sophistication that makes the character who he is.

Forgive me, but that's pretty rich coming from a Dalton fan.

[B5Erik]

I'm sorry if you disagree, but to me Daniel Craig's Bond is a punk with a chip on his shoulder.

Dalton was NEVER like that. He was world weary and had EARNED his weariness and subordination. Craig's Bond hasn't.

You can disagree with me, but you'd be wrong...

How do I want to put this?

I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid that the people in Craigstown are passing out.

He's good, but I'm just not buying him as Bond. Not yet.

[Loomis]

I presume you'd rank Craig above Brosnan, Erik.

Wouldn't you?

Seriously, man, they've just made the most old school, hardcore Flemingian film since your beloved (and mine) LICENCE TO KILL, starring an actor who's so influenced by Dalton it's as though he's possessed. They've done everything they could possibly have done to please guys like you short of getting Dalton himself back, and given the man's age would you really want that?

Get with the program(me)! The third Dalton film is actually playing in cinemas right now!

[B5Erik]

Like I said, I'm just not sold on Craig as Bond - yet.

I'm totally sold on CR. Great, great movie.

But it took TWO performances as Bond for me to buy into Dalton (hey, I had just come off Moore's long run, and I hadn't even bought into Connery yet in 1987), so don't be surprised that I'm not buying Craig as Bond at this point.

And I rank him just below Brosnan at this point - but that could easily change with another good performance with just a little more of the classic James Bond sophistication - a balanced performance. The kind of balance Dalton brought to the role.

[Loomis]

I'm totally sold on CR. Great, great movie.

Well, that's the main thing.

[JimmyBond]

And I rank him just below Brosnan at this point -

Would you be sold on Craig if he had dark hair? Just curious.

I really think Craig has outclassed Brosnan at almost every turn, the two performances don't even compare, but then, they arent supposed to. This was a turning point in the series, just like the change from Moore to Dalton was drastic, so was the change from Brosnan to Craig.

For better or for worse, this is Bond, and this is how he'll be for as long as Craig is playing him.

[Blonde Bond]

Make that frikkin' sharks with "lazer beams"

Bond's sharks never had laser beams. Bond films are realistic and real sharks dont have laser beams.

It was a line from Austin Powers

Actually they were sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached to their heads. Sharks dont come up with laser beams.

And,yeah, we need couple of those. Sharks make a great bond movie. Sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached to their frikkin' heads should really raise the bar.

[Santa]

In CR we got an incredibly angry, bitter James Bond with none of the debonair sophistication that makes the character who he is.

Really? Did you see the same Casino Royale that I did?

[00Twelve]

^^Agreed. He seemed quite sure of himself to me. And he seemed to enjoy the finer things, but still acted like a normal human being, not a sommelier. I actually worry at how much they might "Bond-up" Craig's character. I'm sure he won't be as vulnerable emotionally, but I don't see any other change needed. Any more light humor or T&A jokes and he's out of balance. Let the character continue as a human being...not an expert at everything, and not a super-rich playboy.

[Jericho_One]

^^Agreed. He seemed quite sure of himself to me. And he seemed to enjoy the finer things, but still acted like a normal human being, not a sommelier. I actually worry at how much they might "Bond-up" Craig's character. I'm sure he won't be as vulnerable emotionally, but I don't see any other change needed. Any more light humor or T&A jokes and he's out of balance. Let the character continue as a human being...not an expert at everything, and not a super-rich playboy.

Yep. I'm with you on that one. I'd like to see less emotional vulnerability - The rest is just fine. It gives JB much more depth as a character.

[Dr.Mirakle32]

And I rank him just below Brosnan at this point -

Would you be sold on Craig if he had dark hair? Just curious.

For me, it would help alot. It would also help if he had a little bit of body hair or eyebrows, but that doesen't detract from his performance too much. It just makes him different from classic/Fleming Bond, when that is who he is trying so hard to be.

Because of his light brown hair, Rog didn't look a whole lot like Fleming's Bond either, but he had his own thing going on, and had the other features about right, and I loved him (he is my alltime favorite Bond). But, I think Craig's look is still such a more drastic change from the original Fleming character, or the previous actors, that the classic look of the character is gone.

Why not go ahead and cast Denzel as Bond while you are at it?
He is a good actor, who cares if he is black, and looks nothing like the character?
It would be like an unconventional looking, red-headed actor as Superman. He may be a good actor, but he wouldn't look like Supes to me.