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[Simon]

Fellas, this is only a title.

If you sat back and started to analyse the Fleming titles, even they would begin to sound horrendous. It is only because they have for so long been a part of the psyche that they are deemed art.

Imagine if Goldfinger came out now - what fun we could have had dissecting that one. And Moonraker isn't much better - Spacehoe anyone

[zencat]

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
It may suit a novel but perhaps NOT for a film ?. Can you imagime this:
"EON productions present Pierce Brosnan as James Bond 007 in
THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO

Hummm... I don't know, I kind of like the way this looks. (Sure beats Beyond the Ice)

[zencat]

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
2. It may be symbolic, referring to a horrendous scar on the villain's body ?

Ohhhh...see, now that's the kind of thing I like.

[Blofeld's Cat]

zencat (25 Oct, 2001 08:57 p.m.):

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
2. It may be symbolic, referring to a horrendous scar on the villain's body ?

Ohhhh...see, now that's the kind of thing I like.

....Or like a very prominent birthmark similar to Gorbechov's.

[Blue Eyes]

Zencat has kindly submitted a fanart piece. Here's the preview:



You can find it in the fanart gallery here. It's our new featured fanart!

I haven't posted the full thing here, but Zencat if you want to you can. It's your choice!

[Blofeld's Cat]

Congrats zencat, an excellent cover art.

I just thought of something.

Count Lippe (sp?) was 'the man with the red tattoo' in Thunderball, so maybe Benson is covering the tong/triad/yakuza angle.

[freemo]

That cover kicks the NDOD one square in the nuts, exellent effort Zencat

[zencat]

Thanks all!

Has anyone else noticed that CB.N is the ONLY Bond website to break this news? Maybe they're all waiting for an official announcement from Eon.

[Boldman]

I hate it.

[The Admiral]

Great piece Zencat. It works with the US cover art. Anyone fancy ago at a UK version?

[RossMan]

Nice work on the cover Zencat.

How likely is it for the book to really be named this however? Glidrose has dropped I think all of Benson's suggested titles for the past books. I would not be surprised to see it end up as a chapter title.

[Mister Asterix]

RossMan (26 Oct, 2001 11:07 p.m.):
Nice work on the cover Zencat.

How likely is it for the book to really be named this however? Glidrose has dropped I think all of Benson's suggested titles for the past books. I would not be surprised to see it end up as a chapter title.

I don't believe Benson has ever let a title slip before Glidrose approved it. Though, maybe Dave is just that good a journalist to get the title before Glidrose.

[zencat]

RossMan (26 Oct, 2001 11:07 p.m.):
How likely is it for the book to really be named this however? Glidrose has dropped I think all of Benson's suggested titles for the past books. I would not be surprised to see it end up as a chapter title.

I think it's safe to assume this is the official title. RB would not let the title out if it wasn't approved by Glidrose. However, don't forget that when HTTK first showed up on Amazon it was under the title A BETTER WAY TO DIE.

[Blue Eyes]

What do you hate Boldman? The fact that we break the news or the title? I hope it's not CB.Net that you hate!! Please explain. Are there any Benson titles that you like?

I have one more Benson artwork to advertise



It's by CBn Staff Member 'Trevelyan' you can view ot here.

[Blue Eyes]

Mister Asterix (26 Oct, 2001 11:16 p.m.):
Though, maybe Dave is just that good a journalist to get the title before Glidrose.

I can tell you that Raymond sent it out to a number of people they're all listed in the to: section of the e-mail!

[MDSmith]

Great cover artwork BE, I just hope it doesn't look like a text book this time. I think I could have done some Venn diagrams in it!

[Jacques Nexus]

zencat (26 Oct, 2001 06:41 p.m.):
Thanks all!

Very good work zencat !. I still don't like the title YET, but your cover art is helping to bring me around a bit. The problem for me is that VERBALLY it sounds bland & lame. Even a GOLDEN GUN sounds more dangerous than...God Almighty !...a RED TATTOO ?. Notice how Fleming described the GUN as GOLDEN & Glidrose chose another colour to describe the TATTOO ?. This similarity makes the new title even more unoriginal. I have a controversial theory why Glidrose trot out these "MAN" tiltles from time to time...I'll post it when I'm brave enough to do it. Visually, I'll wait till the official cover art is released till I pass final judgement.

[Jacques Nexus]

zencat (25 Oct, 2001 08:54 p.m.):

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
It may suit a novel but perhaps NOT for a film ?. Can you imagime this:
"EON productions present Pierce Brosnan as James Bond 007 in
THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO

Hummm... I don't know, I kind of like the way this looks. (Sure beats Beyond the Ice)

I don't know what's wrong with me right now, but even BEYOND THE ICE is starting to sound better to me (My God !...did I really say that ?). Anyhow...what the hell happened to that NDOD movie title, "TSUNAMI RISING" ?.

[Jacques Nexus]

blofelds_cat (26 Oct, 2001 02:30 a.m.):

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
2. It may be symbolic, referring to a horrendous scar on the villain's body ?

....Or like a very prominent birthmark similar to Gorbechov's.

Hey that's a great idea. With the Russian angle (the Kuril Islands), perhaps Gorbachev is IN the novel ?. Any chance THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO is Gorby and not Yoshida ?.

[The Admiral]

The Man With The Red Tattoo will be the title for Raymond Benson's next book.

[sainttemplar]

Jacques Nexus (30 Oct, 2001 01:36 p.m.):

blofelds_cat (26 Oct, 2001 02:30 a.m.):

Jacques Nexus (25 Oct, 2001 04:50 p.m.):
2. It may be symbolic, referring to a horrendous scar on the villain's body ?

....Or like a very prominent birthmark similar to Gorbechov's.

Hey that's a great idea. With the Russian angle (the Kuril Islands), perhaps Gorbachev is IN the novel ?. Any chance THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO is Gorby and not Yoshida ?.

If that were the case then the title would be rather misleading wouldn't it? A tattoo and a birthmark are totally different things.A birthmark is genetic and a tattoo is self inflicted body art/mutilation.Mind you its a poor title anyway.There is nothing Flemingesque about it.I'd guess this is one of Glidrose's.

[zencat]

sainttemplar (31 Oct, 2001 02:52 p.m.):
Mind you its a poor title anyway.There is nothing Flemingesque about it.I'd guess this is one of Glidrose's.

I don't think being "Flemingesque" should a requirement. The title should fit the book, that's all. I'm sure once the book is released RB will reveal the origins of the title and what other titles may have been considered...if any.

[Blue Eyes]

I'd like to think that there are other titles. Not because I don't like this one but because it's nice to hear the later and think of what could have been. It makes great trivia material.

[Blofeld's Cat]

zencat (31 Oct, 2001 06:08 p.m.):
I don't think being "Flemingesque" should a requirement. The title should fit the book, that's all.

Correct-amundo.

[Icephoenix]

I wonder if this was RB original title? Perhaps he came up with a much better title...which seems more likely.

[scaramanga]

Dave (30 Oct, 2001 01:51 p.m.):
The Man With The Red Tattoo will be the title for Raymond Benson's next book.

I'm not doubting you Dave, its just where did you hear this from? Raymond himself? Its just that no other sites have reported this, not even www.ianfleming.org

[mccartney007]

Trevelyan (01 Nov, 2001 09:04 a.m.):
I wonder if this was RB original title? Perhaps he came up with a much better title...which seems more likely.

This was one of Raymond's titles, but it wasn't his first choice. I'm a very, very big fan of the working title Raymond had, but unfortunately I can't disclose what it was. I will let you know when I'm allowes to tell you what it was.

[Blofeld's Cat]

mccartney007 (02 Nov, 2001 04:02 a.m.):
This was one of Raymond's titles, but it wasn't his first choice.....but unfortunately I can't disclose what it was. I will let you know when I'm allowes to tell you what it was.

Wow! Now you have us all intrigued.

How do you know this info, Macca?

[Mister Asterix]

mccartney007 (02 Nov, 2001 04:02 a.m.):
...unfortunately I can't disclose what it was...

Come you can tell us we promise we won't tell anyone else. ;D

[Blue Eyes]

Knowing mcartney007 I'd say he got it straight from Benson - he undoubtedly has his contact details. Benson is one of those nice enough to keep in touch with a variety of fans no matter what their status in the world. He's very approachable. He used to have an almost public e-mail address and he frequented forums and all.