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[Jim]

Well, regardless - if he must appear in a dinner jacket (it's not really a Batman's need for a batsuit, is it? Is it?) they have to do the decent thing and give him a proper one - the thing in that publicity photograph is double-breasted and, accordingly, catastrophically vulgar.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Well personally I think the tux has been over done. People just don't wear dinner jackets in casinos these days. Anyone here who's been to plush european casinos will tell you, it's all just suits and smart casual with dress shoes.

Daniel Craig will look better in a nice dark suit with an open shirt collar.

The tux looks so old hat and it's been so over done it's like a pardoy of itself. This is good news

You have a point...maybe they should take a 'Tux film' off and do a YOLT and LALD(those films do not suffer for it)...Maybe the push for Bond 22 will be cooler if we see him finally in a tux in the trailers... BOND IS BACK! AND THIS TIME HE'S WEARING A TUXEDO! FANBOYS REJOICE!

[SteveKingCool]

The released photo of Craig is a hype to make people accept him because the majority think he is too uglish to be a Bond.
It's a very Photoshopped image.....even more than the photo I did here. They repainted his whole face to fix his age and eyebags and red skin and then stretched it to make his face longer because really he has a box face.

Judging from your Photoshop skills I've seen so far, I doubt that you're in a position to judge how much of the Craig promo shot is actually photoshopped.

I have this pic in highest available resolution (some 6000 pix wide), and I've yet to detect traces of heavy photoshopping (and I earn my living with that kind of stuff).

So do I. Do you think I put serious effort into the mock up? My clients are top fashion designers and car manufacturers, what are yours?

[Jim]

The released photo of Craig is a hype to make people accept him because the majority think he is too uglish to be a Bond.
It's a very Photoshopped image.....even more than the photo I did here. They repainted his whole face to fix his age and eyebags and red skin and then stretched it to make his face longer because really he has a box face.

Judging from your Photoshop skills I've seen so far, I doubt that you're in a position to judge how much of the Craig promo shot is actually photoshopped.

I have this pic in highest available resolution (some 6000 pix wide), and I've yet to detect traces of heavy photoshopping (and I earn my living with that kind of stuff).

So do I. Do you think I put serious effort into the mock up? My clients are top fashion designers and car manufacturers, what are yours?

Please stop being baity, SKC. The alternative is to stop being at all.

[SteveKingCool]

It doesn't have to be a tuxedo but certainly for a game of millions I don't expect anyone to come to a European casino in anything less than shirt and jacket right? As long as it isn't a hair shirt.

Tuxedos are out of date so just a smart suit is cool as SteveKingCool

Edited by SteveKingCool, 22 January 2006 - 04:58 PM.

[Mr Malcolm]

I think I'm going to treat this little morsel in the same way as the 'only one explosion' news; interesting, but there's no way of knowing whether or not it'll work out at the moment.

[Leon]

Well, regardless - if he must appear in a dinner jacket (it's not really a Batman's need for a batsuit, is it? Is it?) they have to do the decent thing and give him a proper one - the thing in that publicity photograph is double-breasted and, accordingly, catastrophically vulgar.

So you think James Bond HAS to be in a tux in every film because it's his costume and it's the whole point of his character that he wear a dinner jacket?

Sorry but that's utter bullh*t, He rarely wore a dinner jacket in the books, only for plush dining...granted he did in the casino in Casino Royale...but back then that was necessary to get in. Today people don't wear dinner jackets in casino's you know...it looks old fashioned and a bit odd. There are very rare classy parties or dinners which 007 would still wear a tux, just not all the bloody time, it's become a parody character and I find it annoying.

He would look better in a nice dark suit with no tie, that's what classy people wear in classy casino's these days, if you wear a dinner jacket people think your a right toff and you'd look a little over dressed and silly.

It's the same reason Bond doesn' wear a suit and a trilby all the time any more. They aren't getting rid of Bond ever wearing a dinner jacket, it's just not in this film, and for good reason, they are making it modern!

Edited by Leon, 22 January 2006 - 05:11 PM.

[Andrew]

I don't really like the sound of this but I'm not really sure how valid it is. I'm hoping that the casino scenes will be very elegant.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Well, regardless - if he must appear in a dinner jacket (it's not really a Batman's need for a batsuit, is it? Is it?) they have to do the decent thing and give him a proper one - the thing in that publicity photograph is double-breasted and, accordingly, catastrophically vulgar.

So you think James Bond HAS to be in a tux in every film because it's his costume and it's the whole point of his character that he wear a dinner jacket?

Sorry but that's utter bullh*t, He rarely wore a dinner jacket in the books, only for plush dining...granted he did in the casino in Casino Royale...but back then that was necessary to get in. Today people don't wear dinner jackets in casino's you know...it looks old fashioned and a bit odd. There are very rare classy parties or dinners which 007 would still wear a tux, just not all the bloody time, it's become a parody character and I find it annoying.

He would look better in a nice dark suit with no tie, that's what classy people wear in classy casino's these days, if you wear a dinner jacket people think your a right toff and you'd look a little over dressed and silly.

It's the same reason Bond doesn' wear a suit and a trilby all the time any more. They aren't getting rid of Bond ever wearing a dinner jacket, it's just not in this film, and for good reason, they are making it modern!

They did modern in NSNA and the result was Domino playing 7-11 arcade games, which now seems laughably dated and inapporpriate for a 5 star Casino and for a Bond girl. One reason why I like James Bond is becuase he isn't modern. But anyway, I can do without the tux...I would prefer to see him wear it for the poker game...that would be somewhat faithful without pandering to the Bond film cliches.

[Jim]

Well, regardless - if he must appear in a dinner jacket (it's not really a Batman's need for a batsuit, is it? Is it?) they have to do the decent thing and give him a proper one - the thing in that publicity photograph is double-breasted and, accordingly, catastrophically vulgar.

So you think James Bond HAS to be in a tux in every film because it's his costume and it's the whole point of his character that he wear a dinner jacket?

Sorry but that's utter bullh*t, He rarely wore a dinner jacket in the books, only for plush dining...granted he did in the casino in Casino Royale...but back then that was necessary to get in. Today people don't wear dinner jackets in casino's you know...it looks old fashioned and a bit odd. There are very rare classy parties or dinners which 007 would still wear a tux, just not all the bloody time, it's become a parody character and I find it annoying.

He would look better in a nice dark suit with no tie, that's what classy people wear in classy casino's these days, if you wear a dinner jacket people think your a right toff and you'd look a little over dressed and silly.

It's the same reason Bond doesn' wear a suit and a trilby all the time any more. They aren't getting rid of Bond ever wearing a dinner jacket, it's just not in this film, and for good reason, they are making it modern!

Um... I agree with you. The batsuit point was...well, it was obviously misunderstood.

Not sure it deserved the swearing, even if it is what I think.

Which it isn't.

At all.

[spynovelfan]

As long as he's not wearing Brioni, I don't mind.

[Mr_Wint]

Today people don't wear dinner jackets in casino's you know...it looks old fashioned and a bit odd.

Do you think James Bond visit the same casinos as you and me...? I mean, will a tux look out of place here (Caesars Palace):

[Jim]

As long as he's not wearing Brioni, I don't mind.

This goes without saying.

[jaguar007]

Well personally I think the tux has been over done. People just don't wear dinner jackets in casinos these days. Anyone here who's been to plush european casinos will tell you, it's all just suits and smart casual with dress shoes.

Daniel Craig will look better in a nice dark suit with an open shirt collar.

The tux looks so old hat and it's been so over done it's like a pardoy of itself. This is good news

However even in Vegas, many of the "high Rollers" at the gated Baccrat tables DO wear tuxes, although they are a minority.

[stromberg]

So do I. Do you think I put serious effort into the mock up? My clients are top fashion designers and car manufacturers, what are yours?

TV guides. Ever did a TV guide cover? Customers demand heaviest photoshopping for those, exactly the kind you mentioned.

No need to put any effort into a mock-up, but anyone who's been into this for a while does a better one in a minute with one arm tied on his back. Effortless attempts from skilled people look better than most things in which unskilled people put an hour or two.

No interest in continuing this argument. You said yours, I said mine, and that should be it.

[Frankie]

Yet another evidence that EON is running scared and betraying more classic Bond elements to emulate Bourne. It's PATHETIC! Someone please give Babs another toy to play with. This is getting ridiculous.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I always thought Pierce overdid the suits just a little bit...

I don't mind a bit more of a casual look this time around - like Roger and Tim had a lot of the time. I would've preferred a tux in the casino scene but I can deal with a suit of some kind.

[Leon]

Um... I agree with you. The batsuit point was...well, it was obviously misunderstood.

Not sure it deserved the swearing, even if it is what I think.

Which it isn't.

At all.

Sorry mate, missunderstood your batsuit reference. Apologies.

[SteveKingCool]

So do I. Do you think I put serious effort into the mock up? My clients are top fashion designers and car manufacturers, what are yours?

TV guides. Ever did a TV guide cover?

No, I only do fashion campaigns that pay 40 euros per photo. My eyes hurt after I do 50 photos on a weekend so I come to take my stress out on you personally

Let's not attack personally. This is only movies.

[zencat]

You know, I'm fine with this. I don't need a tux in every movie just as I don't need a car in every movie. If it's right for the movie, he should wear a tux. If not, fine. Besides, I think Craig looks a little awkward in a tux. Dress in the actor in what makes him look the best. Once he's established a 007, give us a tux scene in the next film.

I think this is just the first of many stories about how 007 trademarks are going to be dropped in Casino Royale.

[stromberg]

Let's not attack personally. This is only movies.

As you say.

[Harmsway]

You know, I'm fine with this. I don't need a tux in every movie just as I don't need a car in every movie. If it's right for the movie, he should wear a tux. If not, fine. Besides, I think Craig looks a little awkward in a tux. Dress in the actor in what makes him look the best. Once he's established a 007, give us a tux scene in the next film.

I think this is just the first of many stories about how 007 trademarks are going to be dropped in Casino Royale.

Well, I agree. But at least the Aston Martin and vodka martini are still around.

A while ago I said that I'd like for them to make Craig's Bond the modern Bond of today - modern fashion, modern style, with a slightly retro vibe. Something that's just utterly classy and cool for today. It seems they may be going that route - and that makes me quite happy.

[Jim]

Yet another evidence that EON is running scared and betraying more classic Bond elements to emulate Bourne. It's PATHETIC!

Um... is a dinner jacket really that critical? If all Bond has become is a dinner suit who uses some gadgets then couldn't that be indicative of serious problems with the perception of the value of the character and the series?

[zencat]

Yet another evidence that EON is running scared and betraying more classic Bond elements to emulate Bourne. It's PATHETIC!

Um... is a dinner jacket really that critical? If all Bond has become is a dinner suit who uses some gadgets then couldn't that be indicative of serious problems with the perception of the value of the character and the series?

Exactly. Moore didn't wear a tux in Live And Let Die, Connery didn't wear a tux in You Only Live Twice (and, technically, he didn't wear one on From Russia With Love either), it's not critical. The logic of the movie should dictate whether or not he wears a tux.

[Harmsway]

Yet another evidence that EON is running scared and betraying more classic Bond elements to emulate Bourne. It's PATHETIC!

Um... is a dinner jacket really that critical? If all Bond has become is a dinner suit who uses some gadgets then couldn't that be indicative of serious problems with the perception of the value of the character and the series?

Indeed.

I think the reason is more likely that they want to update the character to a more modern setting (they are giving him a modern origin after all) and reinvent him as how James Bond would be if he was a modern person, not one from the 50s/60s. That's one avenue I suggested EON take with CASINO ROYALE, and I'm delighted that it's turning out to be the case.

[Leon]

I've noticed some people treat this bit of news as if it means Bond is going to be wearing jeans and a t-shirt or something stupid...he isn't, he's going to be wearing classy, smart clothing and the usual tailored suits...just not a dinner jacket, big deal!

I actually think Daniel Craig looks better in a nice suit with no tie than a dinner jacket.

[SteveKingCool]

I think the reason is more likely that they want to update the character to a more modern setting (they are giving him a modern origin after all) and reinvent him as how James Bond would be if he was a modern person, not one from the 50s/60s. That's one avenue I suggested EON take with CASINO ROYALE, and I'm delighted that it's turning out to be the case.

Then it's not James Bond. It's GI Joe or Action Man. James Bond is an old fashioned suave man's man of the Gentleman's Quarterly variety (in the days before GQ became a poof mag) who does not pander to trends such as vegetarianism and fanatatical feminism. He is not a politically correct PG rated woman respecting action hero who doesn't smoke cigarettes or swear once when he wants. Batman, Spiderman, Superman all have new movies with begins stories but never changed character as much as Bond is forced to.

[Moore Not Less]

I've noticed some people treat this bit of news as if it means Bond is going to be wearing jeans and a t-shirt or something stupid...he isn't, he's going to be wearing classy, smart clothing and the usual tailored suits...just not a dinner jacket, big deal!

Agreed, Leon.

If true, I am sure the loss of the tux is only temporary, like in LALD. For me, it's not a problem provided Bond is dressed appropriately for the occasion. And I am sure he will be smartly dressed.

Edited by Moore Not Less, 22 January 2006 - 08:06 PM.

[Publius]

No Q? No gadgets? No Moneypenny? No tux? No problem. These are elements of the Bond universe I can do without. Bond can still be classy without a tux, and for the sake of modernity I might even prefer it that way. It's hard to say for sure at this early date, so I'll reserve definite judgment until I actually see the movie.

Now, ______ being the card game of choice does have me a bit worried that the film will latch onto what may just be a passing fad, but again I'll just have to wait and see.

Mod's note: Sorry, the card game is still considered as spoiler by some

Edited by stromberg, 22 January 2006 - 08:29 PM.

[Fro]

Yeah, he'll definitely be in a sharp suit... a tux isn't necessary even though it's become iconic.