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[SeanValen00V]

Why put us through the pain of choosing.


It's like a sin to choose one Dalton bond over another, they are both fantastic for different reasons, and shine like a beacon for dalton wanting to capture the spirit of Ian Flemming.

The best way to make myself feel better about his tenture is think of it as quality over quantity, and I'm glad he got to make 2 bond films, rather then forever thinking about the 3rd that never was, he's in his prime in his 2 bond films, we don't have to label him as the one film bond, nor ever worrying about his age, would of been nice to have had 4 films from him, but as in life, can't always get what you want, and probabley have to be glad he got another chance to be bond once he turned down OHMSS before, the real crime would of been if he wasn't cast in TLD, and Brosnan himself didn't like his look back then, so it worked out the best I guess it could.

[sirmilesmeservy]

IMHO LTK had had a much more up to date feel, LD looked dated even when it came out, also, the awful backgrounds to the back of the plane fight were shameful...

[Dalton's Wendy]

[quote name='Lady Rose' date='3 November 2005 - 03:54']As for the movies, I just cant decide which is the better. They are different in tone and style and both have some great scenes. however. I think LTK gets the nod, because I love the intensity, the whole water sequence escape from Krests boat and the prime reason, Tim looks great in a wet suit

Edited by Dalton's Wendy, 03 November 2005 - 06:04 PM.

[Lady Rose]

Thankyou DaltonsWendy ... loved the pics.Brought a smile to my face. He really is gorgeous.

Besides the wet suit look, I also loved him in the leather jacket in TLD. I believe one of the members here owns that very jacket.

http://images.google...l=h...6lr=&sa=N

[Dalton's Wendy]

Thankyou DaltonsWendy ... loved the pics.Brought a smile to my face. He really is gorgeous.

Besides the wet suit look, I also loved him in the leather jacket in TLD. I believe one of the members here owns that very jacket.

http://images.google...l=h...6lr=&sa=N

And thank you for that last, my dear Lady Rose!

By the way: did you ever see his version of Jane Eyre? WOW!!!!!

[james st.john smythe]

the living daylights had the best teaser of any bond movie.

[Qwerty]

Welcome to the CBn Forums james st.john smythe!

[Dalton's Wendy]

Yes, welcome to Cbn, james st.john smythe!

Anyone who looks as good as you do, darling, is more than welcome, in my books!

[SeanValen00V]

As for the movies, I just cant decide which is the better. They are different in tone and style and both have some great scenes. however. I think LTK gets the nod, because I love the intensity, the whole water sequence escape from Krests boat and the prime reason, Tim looks great in a wet suit 

Then again, in what does Dalton not look great?
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(love pic #2! . . . and #3 . . .)

Those are some great shots there Wendy, as if they were stills off a dvd, either way, well selected, Dalton just seemed so right in every regard to Bond, the look, the talent and everything.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Those are some great shots there Wendy, as if they were stills off a dvd, either way, well selected, Dalton just seemed so right in every regard to Bond, the look, the talent and everything.

I thought so, too, Sean -- although I cannot take the credit for selecting them; a friend of mine did so, on another forum.

But they are marvellous, aren't they? I especially love the second one . . . and the third . . . and the first . . .

[Major Bloodnok]

Fortunately voting for one doesn't mean you don't love the other. I chose TLD. I associate many fond memories with this movie including the first of many trips to Vienna.

And it was the movie when I knew Bond had changed forever. For the better.


Post edited because an angel reminded me that I listed the wrong movie. Thanks.

Edited by Major Bloodnok, 12 November 2005 - 04:47 PM.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Post edited because an angel reminded me that I listed the wrong movie.  Thanks.

Little angels always help their friends! That's what we're here for!

[Stephen Spotswood]

I like both of Dalton's Bond movies, but of the two I would prefer "Licensed to Kill." Q, for once, had a much more to do in the movie than provide a cheap laugh. They had a realistic spy gadget in the plastic explosives disguised as toothpaste, which actually sounds plausible. Although neither of the actresses could act, and it had the misfortune of having Wayne Newton in a part, this was the bloodiest Bond movie to date. It showed that Bond was not some cartoon superhero that was invulnerable. The movie had the segment, I believe, from the novel "Live and Let Die," where Felix Leiter gets eaten by something that disagreed with him. The movie also had a decent bar brawl scene, and two of the most intense, although untraditional, Bond villians in Robert Davi and Benecio DelToro, before the latter suddenly made it big.

[Publius]

Licence To Kill.

Although I'm not surprised that The Living Daylights is in the lead, being that it is a more traditional Bond movie, Dalton's outing in LTK just strikes me as all-around more superb, enough to make it my #1 favorite Bond film of all time, with TLD in at #2.

I plan on writing a review for Licence To Kill in the Countdown #1 thread, so I'll save my more verbose reasoning for there, but suffice to say I find it to be as close to perfection as a Bond film has ever come. Talisa Soto was the movie's biggest glaring weakness, with the closing scene probably being my least favorite aspect of the film.

Other than that, only minor grievances.

[Kissy]

The Living Daylights by far. I like licence to Kill but I prefer the Living Daylights more because it feels more as Bond movie. It's also one of my favourites

[MarcAngeDraco]

Gotta go with The Living Daylights.

I do like many parts of LTK, but hate others.
Popping a wheelie in a Class 8 Kenworth...
That sort of nonsense has no place in any Bond film, and that goes double for one with such a serious tone. Possibly the most cringe inducing moment in any Bond film.

[Publius]

"Popping a wheelie in a Class 8 Kenworth...
That sort of nonsense has no place in any Bond film, and that goes double for one with such a serious tone. Possibly the most cringe inducing moment in any Bond film." --MarcAngeDraco

I can understand saying that a winking fish has no place in such a serious Bond film, but the tanker popping a wheelie seemed perfectly fitting. The movie wasn't meant to be depressingly gritty, just more so than had ever been the case. There are several humorous moments, albeit few one-liners, and that scene is among those that served to anchor Licence To Kill to the rest of the series, despite its other differences. Given the rampant silliness present in every Bond movie going back to at least Goldfinger, I'm surprised any of LTK's lighter stuff would be even relatively bothersome to a Bond fan.

[Adler 001]

Licence to Kill. A very different kind of Bond...

[Gabriel]

I went for LTK.

TLD is a really good Bond film. It represents the move from the Roger Moore style to a more modern style. There is still the silly humour and feeble villains of the recent Moore films (which I enjoyed) but also a push into more dangerous territory.

For me, the "Miami Vice/Lethal Weapon" complaint people make about LTK is exactly why I like it so much. It shows exactly what a hard-case Bond is. The same character who was swapping cosy quips with the cosy Minister/M/Moneypenny/Q family a couple of movies before shows that he can out-Riggs Riggs and out-Die Hard Bruce Willis. In an era of popular, extremely violent Hollywood thrillers, Bond remained relevant.

The whole point of the film not feeling like a trad Bond film is that it posits the question: 'How would Bond cope if he got dropped into one of these modern, late-80s, violent thrillers?' The answer: he'd get very pissed off and do whatever it takes to sort things out.

I can't wait to buy the uncut DVD next year!

Incidentally, far from "overwriting" Dalton's era, there's a reference in GoldenEye by M to the effect that she doesn't want Bond to go off on a revenge kick against Ouromov for the "murder" of Trevelyan. The way Bond replies "Never!" makes it sound like he was reprimanded for going off on a revenge kick before and resents the new M bringing up the subject - possibly the remark is a hangover from when the script was written for Timothy Dalton.

The same goes for the pre-title scene. The 1986 setting would have made a perfect prequel to The Living Daylights, explaining why TLD's Bond was so world-weary and pissed off when he's sent on his assassination mission! In effect these remarks make GE a direct follow-up to Dalton's era.

Edited by Gabriel, 16 December 2005 - 06:10 PM.

[Doctor No]

The Living Daylights is one of my favorite Bond films.

Licence to Kill is more towards the bottom of my list. I like Dalton alot in both of them. The big minus for me when it comes to LTK is that it just reeks of the 80s. Another, like MarcAngeDraco said is that such a serious Bond movie still has gags like the wheelie, the shark hitting the dock, Dalton's hair in the casino(Did I just say that?). When the movie comes together it just feels uneven stylistically.

[Blue07]

I agree to a point, TLD is my favourite of the two, it has a far more Bondian feel to it, and LTK is very eighties. However I do feel with LTK they were kind of on a hiding to nothing. Making a dark revenge film is a great idea but at the same time they have to put the humour in and this kind of makes it feel odd as a film. It was a brave choice for the film and on the whole works but going that way with Bond and covering the humour bases is always tricky to keep it consistent. It will be interesting to see how they manage that with the new gritty CR film.

[Doctor No]

After watching LTK again last night, I'd probably move it up on my list(to the middle part). This time watching I noticed some really good aspects of the film that popped out to me.

1. Dalton does a much more effective job of getting "his" Bond over in LTK than in TLD. My best example would be to watch Dalton's face when Killifer is being eaten by the sharks. Very Cold.

2. It really shows how destructive Bond can be to himself and others around him(Sharky's death & mucking with Leiter/Bouvier's deal with Heller) when he isn't thinking straight.

3. At around 1 hour 25 minutes in to the movie(when Bond is strapped down to the table and Sanchez finds him) to the very end is where the movie is really hitting on all of its cylinders. From Bond stumbling into his eventual plan to bring down Sanchez to Bond finding out how big an A he has been. Plus, other than the wheelie, the tanker chase with its "highway to hell scene" is a very effective finale that finds Dalton handling himself very well as Bond.

I still like TLD more, but with my most recent viewing of LTK my appreciation for the film has greatly increased. The Dalton Era....

Edited by Doctor No, 02 January 2006 - 08:25 PM.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I have to go with License to Kill, but like what others have said The Living Daylights is also a great film. Dalton is my favorite Bond. Between the 2 films the deciding factor was the villians and also that Dalton's Bond in LTK was the best adaption of the character createdby Ian Fleming.

[jessiezorro]

Well, I had to go for "Licence To Kill", although I do enjoy "The Living Daylights" a lot too! But Sanchez is just such a good baddie ...

/Jessica

[Qwerty]

Welcome to the CBn Forums, jessiezorro.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Well, I had to go for "Licence To Kill", although I do enjoy "The Living Daylights" a lot too! But Sanchez is just such a good baddie ... 

/Jessica

I agree. Sanchez is marvellous: he is truly the villain I love to hate.

Welcome to CBn, Jessica!

[jessiezorro]

Thanks for the friendly welcomes everyone!!

/Jessica

[ACE]

The Living Daylights is my favourite Dalton. Here's why...

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[Qwerty]

Thanks for the friendly welcomes everyone!! 

/Jessica

Hope you enjoy it here.

[Dr. Noah]

My favorite is probably TLD, but my favorite moment in a Bond film is probably the underwater escape in LTK, where he spears the plane.

The sheer audacity of that sequence is incredible. And somehow Glen made it seem believable. I remember the theater audience applauding that sequence and laughing when Crest tried to explain it to Sanchez, because it sounded so unbelievable.

TLD: 9 out of 10
LTK: 8 out of 10

Dalton: 10 out of 10. He's James Bond, to me.