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#331 glidrose

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:02 PM


I like Licence to Kill better because it was the only film Dalton did where the script was written just for him and not modified from another actor expecting to play the part. Daylights, as I'm sure many of you already know, was originally written for Moore.

I have always wondered how much truth there is in these claims. Moore left the role not so long after AVTAK was released. This must have been way before they started with the script for TLD. And wasn't the first Maibaum/Wilson draft dealing with a young Bond, early in his career?


Exactly. The script itself was possibly written with Brosnan in mind, but NEVER Moore.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

Well i know what my top two are....

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:34 AM

I just gave Licence to Kill a viewing over the weekend, and it cemented itself as not only my favorite Dalton film, but also as my favorite of all of the Bond films. I quite like The Living Daylights as well (it's in my top 3), but Licence to Kill has it all as far as I'm concerened. A great Bond, great villain, a great Bond girl in Carey Lowell, and a very good score by Michael Kamen.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:24 AM

I just gave Licence to Kill a viewing over the weekend, and it cemented itself as not only my favorite Dalton film, but also as my favorite of all of the Bond films. I quite like The Living Daylights as well (it's in my top 3), but Licence to Kill has it all as far as I'm concerened. A great Bond, great villain, a great Bond girl in Carey Lowell, and a very good score by Michael Kamen.

Absolutely. I have fond memories of LTK. I have always enjoyed it. Bond feeling a bit darker, edgier and the violence feeling that bit harder. Bond killing Kiliffer via the sharks. Krest’s inflating head. Dario getting shredded by the cocaine grinder. Burning Sanchez – who is a memorable, charismatic and brutal villain. I get something of a thrill watching the movie. Bond out on his own, infiltrating a crime ring and turning people against each other. It’s not overbearingly dark (it does have a sense of humour), but it does go ‘there’ numerous times. I enjoy TLD and Dalton is good in that as well, but I do see his second film as his finest two hours.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:40 AM


I just gave Licence to Kill a viewing over the weekend, and it cemented itself as not only my favorite Dalton film, but also as my favorite of all of the Bond films. I quite like The Living Daylights as well (it's in my top 3), but Licence to Kill has it all as far as I'm concerened. A great Bond, great villain, a great Bond girl in Carey Lowell, and a very good score by Michael Kamen.

It’s not overbearingly dark (it does have a sense of humour), but it does go ‘there’ numerous times.


Agreed. I've never particularly understood the popular notion that Licence to Kill doesn't have a sense of humor and is too serious for its own good. Bond does have some fun in this movie. He's clearly enjoying himself when he finds out that he's escaped the Wavekrest with a massive amount of Sanchez's money. He has some fun, albeit at Pam's expense, a couple of other times. The humor that is there is much like the humor found in Quantum of Solace. It's there, but it's not going to beat the audience over the head like much of the humor in the Roger Moore films.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:53 PM

I actually prefer The Living Daylights slightly more than Licence to Kill, though both are some of the better films. I really like the setting from LTK as I think it's one of the more unique locales in the Bond films, correct me if I'm wrong but it's only time the series as ever filmed in Mexico. I also like the parts in Africa in TLD. My only real problems were some of the casting during the Dalton films. I hated Kara Milovy. I think she is one of the weakest Bond girls. I would've liked if they kept her as Trigger from the story as it would've made for an interesting cat and mouse story between her and Dalton. Also, get rid of Maryam d'Abo. She just plain sucks. So does Talisa Soto for that matter. I don't mind Lupe, but Soto just never felt right. Lastly, Caroline Bliss was just god awful and unlike the playful banter between Lois Maxwell and the others, Bliss just seams to be outright throwing herself at Dalton and there's just no chemistry between them. I would've either recasted her or just dropped Moneypenny altogether. Aside from those parts, I really enjoy the Dalton films and still feel that they could nicely between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:01 PM

correct me if I'm wrong but it's only time the series as ever filmed in Mexico.


I believe you're correct on that one. My only wish for their filming in Mexico was that they actually set the film in Mexico. It's blatantly obvious from watching the film that "Isthmus" is in fact "Mexico", so I don't really understand the name change when it's nothing more than cosmetic.

My only real problems were some of the casting during the Dalton films. I hated Kara Milovy. I think she is one of the weakest Bond girls. I would've liked if they kept her as Trigger from the story as it would've made for an interesting cat and mouse story between her and Dalton.


That would have made for an interesting dynamic. I like Milovy quite a bit and wouldn't change much about her role in The Living Daylights, but that would have been an interesting angle to consider for the film.

Bliss just seams to be outright throwing herself at Dalton and there's just no chemistry between them. I would've either recasted her or just dropped Moneypenny altogether. Aside from those parts, I really enjoy the Dalton films and still feel that they could nicely between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall.


I've always felt that any lack of chemistry between Bond and Moneypenny in Dalton's films was, at least to some degree, intentional. If you look at Bond's interactions with all of the women in those two films (except for Milovy, who Bond has to actively pursue in order to maintain cover), Bond tends to not pay them much attention. He gives Pam a few looks here and there during Licence to Kill that signify that he's interested, but for the most part it's all about the mission for him except for when there's the small bit of downtime here and there (such as the implied love scene on the boat in Licence to Kill) where he will pursue the women who have spent most of the film throwing themselves at him.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:30 AM

Agreed. I've never particularly understood the popular notion that Licence to Kill doesn't have a sense of humor and is too serious for its own good. Bond does have some fun in this movie. He's clearly enjoying himself when he finds out that he's escaped the Wavekrest with a massive amount of Sanchez's money. He has some fun, albeit at Pam's expense, a couple of other times. The humor that is there is much like the humor found in Quantum of Solace. It's there, but it's not going to beat the audience over the head like much of the humor in the Roger Moore films.

Yeah, humour is there for sure. Withdrawing his money from the bank. Telling Sanchez it shouldn't be too difficult to show special talent people don't have. Sharkey saying it's a terrible waste...of money. Q throwing away his gadget into the bushes after all he tells Bond. And those are just some examples.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 03:29 AM

LTK is certainly a lot more comedic than GoldenEye, and its humor can be pretty broad : the grouchy guy (Della's father?) frowning and griping about the wedding like a sitcom in-law, the staggering drunk in the pool at Felix's wedding, the swordfish in the bar fight, the "X-ray photo", Q's frito bandito costume, the honk when Bond touches the statue's breast, the stuff with Professor Joe, the cartoonish use of "La Bamba", that damn winking fish... All of this stuff would have worked in a Moore film, but it's too broad for the post-GoldenEye era. The whole conception of Bond comedy changed with Brosnan. It became more reserved, more self-consciously cool, and more verbally oriented. So I tend to think of the Dalton era not as a period of dark, grim humorlessness, but as the last gasp of Moore-era zaniness. It was the last time that Bond didn't take itself too seriously to use really broad humor.

#340 tdalton

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 03:39 AM

I largely agree, although I don't think I'd go as far as to say that what we see in the Dalton Era is on the same level with the comedy in a Moore Era film. Granted, perhaps some of the sight gags could have been found during the Moore Era (such as the ones you mentioned above), but I don't think that Moore would have found himself starring in a film with the dark undertones that LICENCE TO KILL has going for it. LICENCE TO KILL is a rather dark film, at least for the Bond franchise up to that point anyway. Instead of the humor functioning in the way that it does in the Moore Era, where it was one of the main devices those films were using, the humor in LICENCE TO KILL is very much of the relief variety. I think the gag with the statue when Bond is rappelling down the front of Sanchez's casino is an example of that. It's there to break up the tension, since we know that Bond is about to go ahead with his assassination attempt on Sanchez. I'd also say that the quick little gag where Bond takes time out of framing Krest for stealing Sanchez's money to check out Pam while she changes into her swimsuit aboard the Wavekrest as another. There are plenty of light-hearted moments sprinkled throughout LICENCE TO KILL, but I get the sense that they're used more for relief than in the way that they were used during Moore's tenure. The humor is also much more sarcastic in places than what we're used to as well, especially in Bond/Pam dynamic once they reach Isthmus.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 04:39 AM

I still like the "I hope you don't snore, Q." I especially like that he is irritated because he isn't going to bed with Pam. Also, Bond seems to be having fun toying with Sanchez when he is making him think he can't trust anyone in his organization.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:13 AM

Licence to Kill, but by a teeny tiny margin. I absolutely adore both films and could watch them a million times. (And Timothy Dalton is so intense in the role, it's nearly addictive).

As a little bit of background: I grew up during the Brosnan era, so for most of my life Brosnan has been Bond to me. The first film I saw was the one with the awful Madonna theme song, but I've seen all four plenty times through the years and am well acquainted with them. There was something in the movies that didn't quite click with me though, as handsome and Bond-esque as Brosnan was, I always felt he was a bit too smug and detached for my taste, as though he was floating through the films, nothing truly fazing him.

Dalton hadn't registered on my radar because he came immediately before my pre-teen years. I was an 8 year old girl when LTK came out so of course I wouldn't have seen it (what can I say, I come from a very conservative household). A bazillion years later, I finally came across his two films and I was immediately hooked. Dalton is the perfect blend of.. everything. In TLD I liked the more romantic angle, the sweeping glamour of the locations, the soundtrack (which I own and could listen to over and over), the very British flavor, it's all wonderfully Bond.

However I enjoyed LTK a little more just because I am a sucker for darker themes, and seeing Bond go rogue truly gave me the chills, in a good way. That goes to show that he is human, he has feelings, passions... and boy, did I feel them all through the film. I agree with whoever said that the pacing in LTK was very well done and uber tight, as the suspense is always there. I was always on the edge of my seat, and most of all.. I CARED about what happened. I wanted to see Della and Felix avenged, I rejoiced (rather sadistically) in the final payback scene with the lighter. It was such poetic justice and so cathartic. I don't get this whole "Miami Vice" rhetoric I keep hearing, perhaps because I am not influenced by that now. I didn't watch it at the cinema when it first came out so my view is completely and solely based on the movie itself and not on drawing any comparisons to any other flicks that were around at the time. I was able to appreciate it for what it is, not for how it looks in relation to other things. I also don't get those comments saying it looks low budget. It looked perfectly good to me. Cinematography, editing, all of it. I didn't have a problem at all with any of that. Perhaps TLD looks more beautiful, but that doesn't mean LTK is crap. Maybe I was just so engrossed in what was actually going on that I didn't feel the need to nitpick at all. I also don't get the criticism toward the villain being a druglord. Davi was such a great villain, superbly acted and so realistic he truly creeped the hell out of me. Those interactions in his mansion with Bond? I cringed for Bond because I was SO worried he was in real peril and yet I was dazzled by how well Bond kept his cool in the face of such evil.

By contrast, I saw QoS for the first time recently too, and that I have to say was way darker, grittier and humour-less than LTK. At no point was I smiling in delight, at no point was I truly caring about what happened. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a decent action flick, but it feels so generic it could have been anybody else instead of Bond. Crash-bang-crash. (and no, I don't hate Craig, I think he is a good actor, I just didn't engage with QoS the way I engaged with LTK, not even close).

Edited by IcedCamaro, 27 September 2012 - 12:17 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:24 AM

License to Kill for sure! Seriously. I really loved the plot, I liked the villain, I loved the Bond Girls, I loved the fight on the truck and I loved the fight in that drug building. Dario was one of the cutest and craziest henchmen. I also loved how he was going to get revenge on Sanchez. This bond film was dark but I really like it for that reason. I mean one of his best friends gets attacked!

#344 Jarvio

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:18 AM

I voted for LTK, but they're both great films.

TLD is a decent bond film, but the weak villains let it down slightly. LTK is less traditional, but I always find myself thoroughly entertained by it, plus Sanchez is such a great villain.

But as mentioned, both TD films are rather good. If only he did a third...

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:44 AM

I voted for LTK, but they're both great films.

I voted for TLD, but they're both great films. We agree on the most important point!

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:48 PM

Licence to Kill.

They are both very good, but I prefer LTK for his story of vengeance, his toughly characters, and the excellent Robert Davi as Sanchez.
Sanchez does not look like many other means in the previous movies, because he has got this kinda nag aspect, probably inspired by Die Hard. But this make him to be genius.
(By the way, he acts as a FBI agent in Die Hard with Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman. In the same movie, the actor who acted as Necros in TLD. It's a small world...)

The Living daylights is very good too, but the mean is too superficial.
Myriam D'Abo acts badly, it's not my idea of a James Bond girl. Sometimes, she even turns stupid, in my opinion.

Edited by bey-columbo, 13 October 2012 - 06:49 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:07 PM

The Living Daylights is better in my opinion. Licence To Kill is at the bottom of my Bond rankings (along with AVTAK). It doesn't feel like a Bond movie to me. It feels like an 80s TV movie a la Miami Vice. That is not saying it is a bad film however. Kamen's score I think is subpar. Davi and Del Toro are pretty good.

Edited by Redneck007, 23 October 2012 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

I always loved TLD, just because when I was young it was on television and my parents where watching it when I was in bed, I got up to get a drink and those five minutes where the first minutes of Bond I had ever seen! And it always just stuck to me like that!

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

Okay, how many of you have seen Die Hard? Well that blonde assassin in the Living Daylights (who pretended to be delivering milk and killed one of bond's friends) He was also in die hard and he was the one that Bruce Willis snapped his neck while falling down the stairs. I just found that out and I thought it was funny, so I would let you guys know.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

License to Kill, I think, overall - which I wouldn't have said until recently.

It's funny because I think LTK starts poorly and gets better, where The Living Daylights starts well and gets worse. Overall though, LTK has the stronger plot, villain and love interest.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:05 AM

Really? I don't believe that LTK starts bad at all. I love it from start to finish



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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Really? I don't believe that LTK starts bad at all. I love it from start to finish

 

Hear, hear.


Edited by IcedCamaro, 31 January 2013 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

After re-watching both films it is a tough decision, but The Living Daylights wins by a nose. I really enjoy both films tough. I'm kind of surprised  After watching LTK last night I'm confused as to why there are alot of people who think the script is bad. Maybe I'm missing something but I thought everything came together nicely for the most part.  :rolleyes:  


Edited by ViperSRT87, 25 April 2013 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:41 PM

Tough one but I have to give it to TLD because it has John Barry. 



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 05:56 PM

I, like you, think both films are great. My favorite is LTK. I actually think it follows Flemings literary Bond more closely than most movies, starting & ending with the Bond/Leiter relationship. Felix's mulilation is right out of LALD (the book). Although Fleming never wrote of Leiter being married, the murder of Della gave some of us purests, the satisfaction of seeing Bond do some avenging that would have been nice immediately after OHMSS.

I like everything about this movie: the villian (Sanchez is one of the BEST screen villians), the scenes with M & Q, the ending (love that Sanchez gets it with the lighter from Leiter), and the savvy relationship between 007 and Pam. Far cry from the ever crying/screaming Stacy Sutton!

TLD is great, as well, but LTK plays on some old established relationships (M, Q, Leiter) that I always enjoy watching.

Fully agree on this. LTK shows the best ensemble of villains: Sanchez, Dario and Killifer. For once, you are not totally of who Bond can trust: killifer, heller, kwan have all their own agenda. Bond has to be on his own and that is where he is at his best.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:03 PM

One more vote for TLD, although Dalton-Bond is great in both...

 

Dalton, the Craig of the 80s.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:50 AM

I am so surprised, I thought LTK would definitely be in the lead.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:28 AM

I am so surprised, I thought LTK would definitely be in the lead.

 

It really is hard with this poll though because so many responses, including my own, would vote for both equally if we could. I would say if we could count that they would be neck and neck



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:21 AM

Both are two of the best Bond movies in the franchise. I like TLD over LTK though.

Edited by jmarks4life, 31 May 2013 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:08 AM

License to Kill, I think, overall - which I wouldn't have said until recently.

It's funny because I think LTK starts poorly and gets better, where The Living Daylights starts well and gets worse. Overall though, LTK has the stronger plot, villain and love interest.

IMO I think they both start and finish strong.