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[Blue Eyes]

alexgilbert asked me this question in another thread, I'll answer it in the proper place

How did Michael France's story difered with the movie we saw, Goldeneye?

- In Goldeneye, in an early draft (post-Michael France), Bond is supposed to eliminate a team of captured 00 agents, what more in that story difered from the movie?

Well to begin with it differs very differently. Having read it you get the feeling that it was written with Dalton in mind. There's little humour, and it has that hard edge.

The story more or less follows the same idea, that is an EMP emitting sattellite in Space. However location names and actual action sequences are totally different. Servenaya has a different name for instance. The movie also starts onboard a train.

Now the 00-Agents thing is part true, part false. There is a flashback in the script. You see Trevelyan is actually.... M. The M after Sir Miles. He has been kidnapped by the Russians. Bond is sent to assassinate him before they can properly interrogate him. 005 and 008 (I think that's them) are sent with him to do the job. 005 I should add is female. Bond doesn't want to assassinate Trevelyan so he shoots the guards. It turns out that Trevelyan has actually sold the British out, he reveals Bond's position and 007 and 008 are killed trying to get away. Bond is obviously not.

Hope this helps

[alexgilbert]

ok, ok, I'm sorry, I get the point, I will stop hassling.

[Blofeld's Cat]

alexgilbert (02 Dec, 2001 11:19 p.m.):
ok, ok, I'm sorry, I get the point, I will stop hassling.

You don't get the point,alexgilbert.

He WANTS you to hassle him to remind him to get off his lazy A and do something about!

He's only the Editor who has to cater to our every whim. :-D

[Blue Eyes]

alexgilbert (02 Dec, 2001 11:19 p.m.):
ok, ok, I'm sorry, I get the point, I will stop hassling.

You did miss the point alexgilbert. If you hassle me, I'll be more likely to get it done, and soon. I want you to hassle me. I want to have one project going at a time. And this is the next one I want to deal with. The one I'm currently working on should be finished by tonight

[alexgilbert]

Phew! You had me worried back there. You don't even imagine how much!
Is your project the posting of the Shatterhand treatment?
If I send you my Casino Royale treatment, will you post it there as well?
Oh, and, thanks. Its just that I was always so incredible curious about Michael
France's original take on James Bond that it even became an obssession. Its sad, but true.
Same for the 3rd Dalton film, and Richard Maibaum's treatment for a series prequel (heh).
Be well, people.

[Blue Eyes]

My project was the Shatterhand piece. Other pieces will be posted on a quality basis, we're not sure how we'll establish this yet.

But yes, GoldenEye is my latest project.

[alexgilbert]

That's great. Have you read my Casino Royale treatment? If so, how about a honest critique?

[Mister Asterix]

Hey Eyes,
Have you got the Goldeneye First Draft thing done yet? Hurry it up, will ya? ;D

Doing my part to help you, alex.

[Blue Eyes]

alexgilbert, PM me the link to the treatment or e-mail it to me through [email protected]. But I'd prefer the forums that way I can leave a proper crit for people to agree, disagree, nit pick

And Mr* it's not done yet, sorry. However, I'm 1/4 of the way through the script and slowly working out my report. I don't think I'll do a scene by scene analysis. Rather I'll highlight the overall plot and interesting changes.

For instance, Alec Trevelyan's name in this script is Augustus Trevelyan

[Icephoenix]

Hey I was born I August!

[White Persian]

Add me to the slavering horde dying to learn more about the early GoldenEye script.
I remember some stuff had to be changed when True Lies came out.

[Blue Eyes]

I don't think it was True Lies, I'd say Mission Impossible. The opening sequence is on a train and has direct similairities with the ending of MI.

[scaramanga]

For some reason I thought it was True Lies too. I can't remember where I read it exactly - something to do with a harrier jump-jet or something?

[alexgilbert]

Mission: Impossible practically rips-off Michael France's Goldeneye pre-title sequence.
And concerning True Lies, I heard the same. That some things had to be changed, don't know what, though.

[Blue Eyes]

I'll have to re-read it all to refresh my memory cause right now I can't make the True Lies connection.

[White Persian]

The business about Trevelyan being M must have been from the time they were courting Anthony Hopkins to play him. I always thought that Sean Bean was too young for that whole Lienz Cossack back story to add up.
Weird to read that Bond was sent to assassinate M in the GoldenEye draft, because before reading this I mused on another thread about Bond being ordered to assassinate a kidnapped Sir Miles Messervy if the idea from Colonel Sun was used in Bond20.
Love to see that GoldenEye draft some day, Blue Eyes, when you get time to do it.

[Blue Eyes]

Working on it White Persian

Off the top of my head (which ain't working too well right now) the Leinz Kosack story doesn't appear in the first draft. Rather, Trevelyan is just an opportunist.

[alexgilbert]

More info, another interesting detail...
Keep giving us a few bread crumbs while you work on it. How long left until the posting of the article?

[Blue Eyes]

I really couldn't say. I am working on it, my piece of fan fiction and normal life; which with Christmas coming is fairly hectic.

[Mister Asterix]

Hey Eyes,
Maybe you should send the whole script to alex and tell him you expect an article from him in two weeks. Then we'll all bug him to get it done.

just kidding ;D

[Blue Eyes]

Seeing I've got one phyiscal copy, maybe not

[alexgilbert]

Darn, my insidious plan has been obliterated.
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Heh.

[Blue Eyes]

Well sorry, but seeing it's cause it's a full script. I just don't have the time nor the resources sadly.

[alexgilbert]

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scaramanga]

Alex, while we all share your enthusiasm for Bond trivia, do you actually reply to any other topics bar this one?

[rafterman]

So does this mean the back story for Trevelyan is the same, about his parents being Lienz Cossacks?
interesting stuff

[alexgilbert]

Yes, that's it. Thanks, Blue Eyes.
I heard that Michael France's draft difered a lot: from a place I heard that Mr. France's draft was wall-to-wall action, from another, that Bond did too much investigation (that plot focused on Bond investigating a string of deaths of scientists). Seems like a good combination for Bond.
Feel free too correct and add anything.
Thanks, once more and, hopefully, many times to come.

[Blue Eyes]

alexgilbert (01 Dec, 2001 05:53 a.m.):
I heard that Michael France's draft difered a lot: from a place I heard that Mr. France's draft was wall-to-wall action, from another, that Bond did too much investigation (that plot focused on Bond investigating a string of deaths of scientists).

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, especially on the latter. Bond does investigate, but to me it seemed nothing more than usual. Certain not too much. He was running around not quite sure at some stage. That's how it should be. I really don't care if you're James Bond or Bill Clinton, you can't figure out complex plots at the drop of a hat. You have the be 'stupid' about some things for so long, until enough clues present themselves.

As for wall to wall action. Yes, there's lots of it. Which is quite good. It would have been an impressive film.

On the topic of action. The nuclear silo scene from TWINE and the tree cutting helicopters from TWINE both appear in France's first draft.

[alexgilbert]

Yup. I replied to the news concerning Madeira. Which is part of Portugal, jus no part of the continent. I haven't heard those news.

[alexgilbert]

Well, I hope I'm not asking too much, but couldn't you make me a plot breakdown of Michael France's draft? Always had this ideal on how his draft must have been.
If you don't want to post it, e-mail me at [email protected], or something.
I don't imagine how much I would appreciate that. That and Timothy Dalton...
Please, I'm begging. And hoping not to be asking too much or bothering, but please, do me that favor, Daniel, please.