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[007_Fanatic]

I think Bond 21 should be just as big as DAD with a big set e.t.c
The theme tune I think should be sung by a male artist for once - giving the males a chance.
There should not be any ice or snow whatsoever in the next film, coz quite frank we've seen it in every Bond film Brosnan has made so far.
Perhaps they should include like a big underwater sequence next time round.
As for the locations I can picture Austria, Italy, Sri Lanka or The Bahamas. Maybe Cyprus, Japan or Portugal. Personally I would like them to film away from Asia.
Lee Tamahori should return again. It's about time that they settle on one director for a while instead of changing them in every movie.
It would be quite cool to bring John Barry back to do the music for the film.
As for the plot, maybe something involving the KGB and bringing back the KGB Superior. Maybe John Rhys Davies as Pushkin or someone new. Bill Tanner should return as well as the Minister of Defence. He should have been in DAD in my opinion, he could have been fitted in. He was in TND, but wasn't in DAD.
It would be nice to have Bond 21 with a one word title, it's going to be tough, but they should try and find something suitable. If not maybe a five word title.

[Evil Doctor Cheese]

No big CGI scenes.

Oh and it'd be nice to have the film named after the villian again. They're always looking for Bondian titles... what's more Bondian than that?

[Doubleshot]

I wouldn't mind a CGI sequence unless it was done as poorly as in Die Another Day. It would be really nice if MGM and EON would bring in ILM or maybe even Sony ImageWorks (if that's at all possible) to handle the CGI work if a large amount is planned to be used.

I'd love for David Arnold to be involved with the title song so that he can weave it in his score. A big and brassy song like Thunderball or Surrender would be a bonus. I'd also like Arnold - even though I love his three scores thus far - to tone down the use of electronics and drum sampling for the score and keep it more orchestral, or at least use it to the level where it doesn't overpower the score as he lightly used it in Tomorrow Never Dies.

[Zero Zero]

I'd like to see B21 have a well written, well balanced script.

A one word title would be nice.

Only CGI when is really needed, not just for the sake of it, and of high quality if it is used.

A short, snappy, classic Pre-Credit Sequence, not the 10-15 minutes ones we've been getting.

A pre credit sequence when Brosnan's Bond comes out on top (rather than the 2 failures he's had). A Dan Kleinman title sequence with a less cg women, more real women.

A title song composed by David Arnold with Don Black's lyrics, something brash and heavier than we've seen of late, sung by a male vocalist.

A classic briefing from M in her office (Brosnan's Bond has only had 1 briefing in M's office and 1 de-briefing to my count).

An action set piece in the Grand Canyon.

A briefing from Q that doesn't include the line "And you're new car... Blah Blah Blah...." that is getting really old. I'd like them to introduce the wheels in a new way like in the Connery & Moore films.

Large classic overblown sets (More of the ice palace style).

And the words "James Bond Will Return" Before the credits roll like they did in TWINE.

[Righty007]

I don't want anymore crapy CGI scenes!

[Doubleshot]

I agree with most of your additions/ideas; the only small exception being the set piece in the Grand Canyon as I find America a rather dull place for Bond to go. I also don't mind the long pre-credit sequences as they now have plots and stories of their own and, more now than before, set up the story.

I'd like to see a strong female lead who ISN'T a spy. A character like Domino Derval or Natalya Simyonava is strong without being a princess in peril. It would be fun to have a villianess who Bond "converts" to his side - reminding us of Pussy Galore. Jinx may even have worked had she been that kind of character. But the female spy who competes constantly with Bond is old and overdone.

I second the good script notion. Keep Purvis and Wade to come up with an interesting story, perhaps; but bring back Bruce Fierstein to touch up the dialogue as he sees fit.

Let's have a Brosnan film that's not about his personal vendetta.

How about some signature stunts? Sure, the hover craft chase was exciting. The fights and chases are exciting. However, there were no signature stunts. Where are the ski chases off the cliffs of mountains? The bungee jumps? The motorcycle jumping over helicopter blades? The closest we came was that really cool flip in the car chase, but with the way it was edited, it almost didn't mean anything.

Italy, more Spain, Portugal, Austraila, The Bahamas, or Greece would make great locations. I hope someone can convince the crew not to double locations excessively as they have done for the Brosnan Bonds. Cuba, Vietnam, Kazachstan, Korea - it has to end some time. The old films rarely doubled locations.

I'd like for one briefing with M, and then to have small scenes with her inbetween breathers as we did in the early films - such as in Thunderball where we came back to M and the Minister of Defense to get updates on how the situation with Blofeld and meeting his demands was going. She can step on Bond's balls if the writers want her to, but let's let him just do his job this time. And make a reference to Die Another Day here... let's not forget how she burned him.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

no halle berry....please never again

[BONDFINESSE 007]

oh yeah no more tamahori either....ever

[ChandlerBing]

In Bond 21, he will have sex with five women before the credits, giving Brosnan the record for shagging.

[antonio damas]

I hope that Falco will return and have more exposure....please

[Coop]

>>What should be included!!<<

A new, younger Bond, more Fleming and less XXX, a pre-credits sequence to top TWINE's, more character and a BIT less action, a more discreet use of CGI.


>>What should not be included!!<<

Lee Tamahori and Christian Wagner's names on the payroll

[kevrichardson]

Lee Tamahori and Christian Wagner will be back . No problem with either of them . I would like some one to explain to me the "hate" towards Christian Wagner . I would not like Neal Purvis and Robert Wade to return . Clearly they arent' true James Bond fans . After a good start in TWINE . It's basically down hill . Die Another Day had some good scene /ideas . But that was it . At the risk of repeating my self . It's not the director that matter here . since 1995 we had soem very good directors ( Campbell , Spootieswood , Apted now Tamahori ) . we need equally as good screenwriters.

[Doubleshot]

Originally posted by kevrichardson:
I would not like Neal Purvis and Robert Wade to return . Clearly they arent' true James Bond fans . After a good start in TWINE . It's basically down hill . Die Another Day had some good scene /ideas . But that was it .  At the risk of repeating my self .

I'm not singing to Purvis and Wade's praises, but... you write the ultimate Bond screenplay while having to deal with hundreds of different opinions from director, producers, cast, and other crew; while having to also battle the pressure the studio is putting on you for more action and one-liners.

[Coop]

>>I would like some one to explain to me the "hate" towards Christian Wagner.<<

I don't hate him, I just disagree totally with his belief that editing should be visible. In particular, his use of speeded up film is dreadful; the worst example being the intro to the party in the ice palace. Why did this need a two-second spurt of speeded up action? It looked dreadful. Every time this ploy was used, it broke the 'spell' of the story and I remembered that I was watching a media construction.

Wagner would do well to watch more Peter Hunt and less MTV and TV commercials.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Coop

Wagner would do well to watch more Peter Hunt and less MTV and TV commercials.

we live in a MTV world . It's influnce is world wide . Plus Bond films aren't made for the true Bond Fan ( what ever that means today !) . In fact as much as i love Peter Hunt's work in the early Bond films , sometimes he is hard to watch . In responding to my Purvis and Wade comment . I fully understand the pressure that Screenwritters for Bond have today . Yet Maibaum was able to withstand the pressure and come up with serveral literate scripts . Dr.No , FRWL , GF , TB , OHMSS , are but a few examples . Not counting some of the later work for Roger Moore . Just read the threads on Die Another Day that lament the weird dialogue between the characters . One of the great things about Bond film is the wonderful dialogue that the Main Villian has . Remember the "I expect you to die Mr, Bond. from Goldfinger . There are countless other examples ( Blofeld from On Her Majesty Secret Service ). In Die Another Day we get over blown Father and Son pathos . No real logical reason for the Villian actions . Other than getting the USA out of Korea . So it's a matter of screenwriting .

[Coop]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
  we live in a MTV world . It's influnce is world wide .

I guess that gets us back to the debate about whether Bond films should innovate or imitate.

Bond films should lead the way, not be half a step behind blockbusters like The Matrix and Lord Of The Rings In film-making terms, there was nothing in Die Another Day that was particularly new. xXx had more innovation. John Woo speed-ups and virtual reality are ten years out of date.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Coop

I guess that gets us back to the debate about whether Bond films should innovate or imitate.
Bond films should lead the way, not be half a step behind blockbusters like The Matrix and Lord Of The Rings  In film-making terms, there was nothing in Die Another Day that was particularly new.  xXx had more innovation.  John Woo speed-ups and virtual reality are ten years out of date.

This is the contiuning problem that the Bond filmmakers face . I feel that the reason for the CGI was not just a safety issue but one of "every one else does it " . Bond films for what ever reason are no longer at the forefront of filmmaking . When a film like XXX is consider the vanguard . Then something has truly happen in Hollywood . Yet if one read the threads there would be universal upheavel if the formula is changed .

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by 007_Fanatic
Bill Tanner should return as well as the Minister of Defence. He should have been in DAD in my opinion, he could have been fitted in. He was in TND, but wasn't in DAD.  
It would be nice to have Bond 21 with a one word title, it's going to be tough, but they should try and find something suitable. If not maybe a five word title.

Wow, that's quite a promotion for Bill Tanner, from Chief of Staff (as he was in the Fleming novels and the movies FYEO, GE and TWINE) to Minister of Defense.
That would explain his absence from DAD though, he was off campaigning for a Parliamantry seat. Still, a first-term MP getting the plum position of Minister of Defense, maybe he would be a Junior Minister of Defense, that would be more realistic.
As I understand it Michael Kitchen was originally in the script for DAD but the actor was off doing something else and could not make it (much like in TND).

[YOLT]

If its going to be big, we must have a new TSWLM, because we had the new MR. But ofcourse I wont say no to a new FYEO.

[Roebuck]

Nothing against a new TSWLM, but how about less globetrotting for a change? Much of the atmosphere in the early films came from the way the principal location was exploited; Jamaica, Istanbul or Japan. Since TSWLM Bond jets from country to country, often for no real reason, and spends too little time in one location for the audience to pick up the flavour of the place. It's like being trapped for two hours on the 'It's a Small World'' ride at Disneyland. :eek:

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Roebuck
It's like being trapped for two hours on the 'It's a Small World'' ride at Disneyland. :eek:

Oh God no, anything but that. I dated a lifeguard for DisneyWorld and she insisted on taking me on that ride (still hears the jingle in his head)....AAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! :eek:

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Oh God no, anything but that. I dated a lifeguard for DisneyWorld and she insisted on taking me on that ride (still hears the jingle in his head)....AAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! :eek:

I feel your pain DLibrasnow.
The bloody thing broke down when we were on it. Twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Roebuck


I feel your pain DLibrasnow.  
The bloody thing broke down when we were on it. Twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

lol....well then you have the time spent getting in line too....GETTING IN LINE :eek: People actually line up to get on the ride -- "Turn back now while you have a chance, save yourselves!!"

[License To Kill]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
no halle berry....please never again

YUP! and I would love to see a Bond/M meeting ala Goldeneye and ones like Bernard Lee/Roger + Sean.


~LTK~

[003]

No new ideas here - just want to agree with various posts before mine:
stunts rather than CGI
meetings with M
Bond to be successful in pre credits
Less globe trotting

[Aces High]

What should NOT be in Bond XXI.
Viliians & other cast members doing 'one liners'.Only 007 should crack the bad puns.
Villians should not have the same level of gagets as 007.
Bond should get on with the mission..unaided.No partners ect.
Bond girls should be more voluptuous than experts!!
No bullets going UP the gunbarrel!!
No techno Matrix style garbage..some of us do NOT like Sci-Fi..thats why we watch 007 movies!
No silly music,The Clash,Beach Boys ect
No 3 year wait!!!!
Now get on with it EON.

[Kronsteen]

Originally posted by 007_Fanatic

Perhaps they should include like a big underwater sequence next time round.  
As for the locations I can picture Austria, Italy, Sri Lanka or The Bahamas. Maybe Cyprus, Japan or Portugal. Personally I would like them to film away from Asia.

Yep, that would be excellent. Maybe something similar to a underwater sequence in Thunderball. It could wotk out really well.

Originally posted by Evil Doctor Cheese

Oh and it'd be nice to have the film named after the villian again. They're always looking for Bondian titles... what's more Bondian than that?

I agree. The problem is to find a good villain name (I mean, you cant have a title like Travelyan or Zorin). You must have something good, and strange, like Goldfinger.
Some book titles could work out well: Scorpius or Brokenclaw...

Originally posted by Coop

>>What should be included!!<<

A new, younger Bond, more Fleming and less XXX, a pre-credits sequence to top TWINE's, more character and a BIT less action, a more discreet use of CGI.


>>What should not be included!!<<

Lee Tamahori and Christian Wagner's names on the payroll

Oh man, that is exactly what I think. A bit less action, more Fleming touch and no CGI. And skip Tamahori and Wagner. Tamahori was no good choice, neither was Wagner...

[Evil Doctor Cheese]

Hows about it being set in JUST England... there's a James Bond film we've never seen before.

And that's what we need... a James Bond we've never seen before.

I also think that it wouldn't hurt to bring on board a few up and coming directors... Vic Armstrong basically handles the action... it'd be nice to see a Nolan (Memento) type director taking the Bond weight and bringing a few new ideas.

Inovate don't imiate... the real stunts thing was the only original thing about the Bond series and they shot that in the foot! What was it that Cubby said to his kids? "Don't screw it up"!!!! Ha!

BTW... it's a Small World... agggggaaaahhhhh! Nightmare!!!!! They should drop a bomb on it!!!

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Kronsteen
And skip Tamahori and Wagner. Tamahori was no good choice, neither was Wagner...

Calling John Glen or Guy Hamilton . Lee Tamahori was great . I am at a loss with the Christian Wagner thing.