Dalton's Bond and Robert Davi, great mirror images of each, straight to the heart of Flemming's Casino Royale, which both actors read to add to their roles. They had great chemistry, I like the fact in the beginning, which I just enjoyed for the action before, but now I see it totally differently, both Bond and the villian get contrasted in the beginning, and have their own scenes, yet they don't meet then, lucky for Bond who has to go undercover later. Then Bond plays Mind games with him, and within those mind games, he turns Sanchez against Crest, and Bond just looks on as he kills him, great story telling, very fresh, and we get Sanchez for a while treating Bond like his friend, the two life styles get contrasted, then like the beginning, its good against evil again towards the end. Thats what I like about Dalton's Bond and Davi's Sanchez, and when Sanchez finds out Bond is against him, no time to talk, they've done that, straight to coveyor belt, no sitting around and having drinks before you get killed, they've done that earlier when we saw them getting along, that I find more realistic.
Also I used to think Bond was after Sanchez soley because of Felix, but I kept forgetting about Dela, because the whole murdering of Dela, was a reminder of Tracy's death, so now is Bond getting Sanchez soley because of Felix, or because in Felix he see's himself, when he lost Tracy in OHMSS, now he feels he owes it to Lighter to get Sanchez, maybe not just friendship, but another villian has taken away the bride. Seen LTK many times, but I've never thought about the story the same ways when I used to watch it, which makes LTK a great character study on Bond's motivation.
The film continues to date well, because of this fantastic blending of Bond's motivations, and chemisty with Sanchez, and action scenes like water skying that has a rebound effect when Sanchez confronts Crest.
It's not a film I understood the way I do now 10 years ago, and I used to watch the film quite alot in the early 90s before Goldeneye, and was the most recent Bond film, but in repeat viewing, there's so much to enjoy again, excellent.
TLD and LTK are so different, that with 2 Bond films, Dalton offered alot more then say what Roger did with 7 films, 100% record for Dalton in my book.
LTK-Dalton and Davi-great chemistry, Dela's effects on Bond, not just Felix
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Posted 16 December 2002 - 09:02 PM
First off: who's Jane? I thought Bond's late wife was named Tracy?
Secondly, I too enjoy LTK immensely. It's just a great film, particularly Tim's portrayal of Bond, it's definitely the closest to Fleming's character since Connery in Dr. NO and FRWL. Closer, in fact. Not to mention it has awesome action, a VERY good plot that's closer to Fleming's LALD then the film of the same name, and two drop dead gorgeous leading ladies. It's also pretty much the only Bond where our hero doesn't come out unscathed at the end, the only other time 007 was that beat up was at the end of Dr. No, I believe. Although I didn't think so when I was 11, now I put it up there with GE or TLD. It's just that good.
EDIT: I never really picked up on the Bond/Tracy, Felix/Della parallel. I commend your insight, good work!
Secondly, I too enjoy LTK immensely. It's just a great film, particularly Tim's portrayal of Bond, it's definitely the closest to Fleming's character since Connery in Dr. NO and FRWL. Closer, in fact. Not to mention it has awesome action, a VERY good plot that's closer to Fleming's LALD then the film of the same name, and two drop dead gorgeous leading ladies. It's also pretty much the only Bond where our hero doesn't come out unscathed at the end, the only other time 007 was that beat up was at the end of Dr. No, I believe. Although I didn't think so when I was 11, now I put it up there with GE or TLD. It's just that good.
EDIT: I never really picked up on the Bond/Tracy, Felix/Della parallel. I commend your insight, good work!
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Posted 17 December 2002 - 02:01 AM
Thanks. Yeah I got the names wrong for some reason, Tracy Bond not Jane Bond, I'll edit it.
Glad I pointed out somethings you liked, I actually read about the Bond/Tracy, Felix/Della parallel in a Bond special mag in Empire Magazine in the UK here, interviews with all Bond, and Dalton section, new insights that I included in my post.
That scene when Bond walks in to find Dela dead, with Bond's reaction with his eyes moving back and forth, always found it dramatic, but now it's even more going in James head in that point, Tracy flashback, who knows, then walks over to what should be a dead Felix, those scenes I rate the strongest acted scenes for Bond in the series-Dalton's finest moment, doing what he does best, probably more to the liking of Bond purists/flemming purists, before I didn't look at it the same.
Glad I pointed out somethings you liked, I actually read about the Bond/Tracy, Felix/Della parallel in a Bond special mag in Empire Magazine in the UK here, interviews with all Bond, and Dalton section, new insights that I included in my post.
That scene when Bond walks in to find Dela dead, with Bond's reaction with his eyes moving back and forth, always found it dramatic, but now it's even more going in James head in that point, Tracy flashback, who knows, then walks over to what should be a dead Felix, those scenes I rate the strongest acted scenes for Bond in the series-Dalton's finest moment, doing what he does best, probably more to the liking of Bond purists/flemming purists, before I didn't look at it the same.
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Posted 17 December 2002 - 04:14 AM
Sorry - just not convinced that Dalton is "Fleming's Bond" as is commonly held. Connery's still the man. Brosnan comes very close to the Fleming Bond at times but there's still too much of the Roger Moore lightness (which - don't get me wrong - I actually like).
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Posted 17 December 2002 - 04:26 PM
Dalton re-read the Fleming novels before TLD, and he and Davi re-re-read Casino Royale prior to filming LTK.
When I read Casino Royale for the first time back around 1990 I was stunned at how the mannerisms of Fleming's Bond were just like Dalton - or as I quickly realized, the other way around. Dalton just NAILED the part of Fleming's Bond.
As to the Tracy/Della thing, I recognized that right away. Tracy is murdered by Bond's arch nemesis, and Della is raped and murdered at the orders of Felix's arch nemesis. It all hit too close to home for Bond to let it go. That's the part that he doesn't tell M when he want's to go after Sanchez - because it is too personal. That's why he's willing to resign to get Sanchez. The way the story is written you aren't quite sure if it was just Felix and not both Felix and Della whether or not Bond would go rogue to go after Sanchez. After all, Felix survived.
And as SeanValen mentioned, the way Bond destroys Sanchez's organization from the inside, turning Sanchez against his own men is clever. DAD hit you over the head with a blunt instrument, but LTK made you think in order to figure it all out.
Michael G Wilson should be proud of his screenplay for LTK, and the ensemble cast translated that VERY well to the screen.
Just more reasons why LTK is a FANTASTIC movie.
When I read Casino Royale for the first time back around 1990 I was stunned at how the mannerisms of Fleming's Bond were just like Dalton - or as I quickly realized, the other way around. Dalton just NAILED the part of Fleming's Bond.
As to the Tracy/Della thing, I recognized that right away. Tracy is murdered by Bond's arch nemesis, and Della is raped and murdered at the orders of Felix's arch nemesis. It all hit too close to home for Bond to let it go. That's the part that he doesn't tell M when he want's to go after Sanchez - because it is too personal. That's why he's willing to resign to get Sanchez. The way the story is written you aren't quite sure if it was just Felix and not both Felix and Della whether or not Bond would go rogue to go after Sanchez. After all, Felix survived.
And as SeanValen mentioned, the way Bond destroys Sanchez's organization from the inside, turning Sanchez against his own men is clever. DAD hit you over the head with a blunt instrument, but LTK made you think in order to figure it all out.
Michael G Wilson should be proud of his screenplay for LTK, and the ensemble cast translated that VERY well to the screen.
Just more reasons why LTK is a FANTASTIC movie.
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Posted 17 December 2002 - 04:33 PM
I too like LTK a lot.
It's funny, I never thought of the Tracy/Dela parallel before, yet it seems so obvious. There's even a reference to Tracy early on in the film!
Thanks for pointing that out !
It's funny, I never thought of the Tracy/Dela parallel before, yet it seems so obvious. There's even a reference to Tracy early on in the film!
Thanks for pointing that out !
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Posted 14 January 2003 - 06:03 PM
Jane Bond was the name of a american pørn film series during the late 1980's . she had a unique 00-number! Freudian slip would i guess. In so far as the movie it's was or is like OHMSS , just because it did not do well at the boxoffice it was called a failure. Yet it was the film that presented a realistic Bond.
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Posted 16 January 2003 - 07:03 AM
Please excuse, I'm using the primitive cut/paste becauseI want to highlight this particular part:
"Also I used to think Bond was after Sanchez soley because of Felix, but I kept forgetting about Dela, because the whole murdering of Dela, was a reminder of Tracy's death, so now is Bond getting Sanchez soley because of Felix, or because in Felix he see's himself, when he lost Tracy in OHMSS, now he feels he owes it to Lighter to get Sanchez, maybe not just friendship, but another villian has taken away the bride. Seen LTK many times, but I've never thought about the story the same ways when I used to watch it, which makes LTK a great character study on Bond's motivation."
I also didn't catch that the first couple of times I saw this film. But then I had watched OHMSS prior and it hit me like a brick. Dela, Felix AND Tracey. Deep yet simple when you thinkj about it. I suspect the writers knew the real fans would get it. Sean, you are so dead on it about that scene when Bond finds them (Felix & Della).
You also wrote:
"That scene when Bond walks in to find Dela dead, with Bond's reaction with his eyes moving back and forth, always found it dramatic, but now it's even more going in James head in that point, Tracy flashback, who knows, then walks over to what should be a dead Felix, those scenes I rate the strongest acted scenes for Bond in the series-Dalton's finest moment, doing what he does best, probably more to the liking of Bond purists/flemming purists, before I didn't look at it the same."
This here was indeed powerful stuff you pointed out, Sean. In the big scheme of things, I will always find plenty to love about LTK. I sat and watched TLD last night and enjoyed it very much. But tonight, I'm watching LTK and get myself a dose of REAL and RAW Bond. The way it was meant to be played. Now, I love PB, and SC, but TD really nailed it to the bone. I so much wish he had done FYEO, OCTO and AVTAK. Tinm looked mature enough in "Flash Grordon", so he was in the prme then (1980). They would have been totally different films (as someone else here pointed out) and would have been much more enjoyable. On the flip side, each actor HAS genually portrayed Bond at the zenith of thier careers and screen presence.
As some have speculated, Goldeneye would have also been an intriguing piece for Dalton to have done. BUT, as history has it, PB made it his own. And that's all good.
"Also I used to think Bond was after Sanchez soley because of Felix, but I kept forgetting about Dela, because the whole murdering of Dela, was a reminder of Tracy's death, so now is Bond getting Sanchez soley because of Felix, or because in Felix he see's himself, when he lost Tracy in OHMSS, now he feels he owes it to Lighter to get Sanchez, maybe not just friendship, but another villian has taken away the bride. Seen LTK many times, but I've never thought about the story the same ways when I used to watch it, which makes LTK a great character study on Bond's motivation."
I also didn't catch that the first couple of times I saw this film. But then I had watched OHMSS prior and it hit me like a brick. Dela, Felix AND Tracey. Deep yet simple when you thinkj about it. I suspect the writers knew the real fans would get it. Sean, you are so dead on it about that scene when Bond finds them (Felix & Della).
You also wrote:
"That scene when Bond walks in to find Dela dead, with Bond's reaction with his eyes moving back and forth, always found it dramatic, but now it's even more going in James head in that point, Tracy flashback, who knows, then walks over to what should be a dead Felix, those scenes I rate the strongest acted scenes for Bond in the series-Dalton's finest moment, doing what he does best, probably more to the liking of Bond purists/flemming purists, before I didn't look at it the same."
This here was indeed powerful stuff you pointed out, Sean. In the big scheme of things, I will always find plenty to love about LTK. I sat and watched TLD last night and enjoyed it very much. But tonight, I'm watching LTK and get myself a dose of REAL and RAW Bond. The way it was meant to be played. Now, I love PB, and SC, but TD really nailed it to the bone. I so much wish he had done FYEO, OCTO and AVTAK. Tinm looked mature enough in "Flash Grordon", so he was in the prme then (1980). They would have been totally different films (as someone else here pointed out) and would have been much more enjoyable. On the flip side, each actor HAS genually portrayed Bond at the zenith of thier careers and screen presence.
As some have speculated, Goldeneye would have also been an intriguing piece for Dalton to have done. BUT, as history has it, PB made it his own. And that's all good.