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[00Twelve]

I sometimes wonder if the Bond producers should bring back old unused Fleming story elements and/or plotlines for Bond 21 (and beyond...), such as the TRUE Casino Royale (as I'm sure 5000 other fans have suggested), more of the mob (or mafia) elements from DAF, better use of the obstacle course from Dr. No, unused parts of FYEO, or the brainwashing subplot in TMWTGG (to name a few). I always thought the books really whipped their cinematic counterparts ,though FRWL, GF, TB, and OHMSS were translated pretty well. Unused story elements such as these made the stories what they were, and never detracted from the quality of the novels. I admit, they could have done a little better work in a few previous attempts to use scenes or plot elements, but I believe most could translate well even today, if written well.
I personally would like to see Brosnan pull off a scene such as Bond's discovery of Vesper Lynd at the end of Casino Royale. What do you think?

[Jim]

Originally posted by 00Twelve

       I personally would like to see Brosnan pull off a scene such as Bond's discovery of Vesper Lynd at the end of Casino Royale. What do you think?

Aside from whether Mr Brosnan could "pull off" (hmm...) a scene like that, which requires examination of his "pulling off" technique (fnarr), it'll never happen because the people behind the next Bond girl will insist she does not die because that's such a downer. They will insist on top billing for her. They will insist that the name of the film is changed to that of her character, and that halfway through the film she addresses the camera directly upon the wonders of whatever product she might be holding in her hands at that point.

[JimmyBond]

Well, we saw Brosnan "pull off" a scene of finding Paris dead, so that's how I imagine he'd play it.

Jim, you're complaints are duely noted. For the life of me though, I can't recall any versions of DAD being called "Jinx" Or for that matter, I must have missed the part where the film stopped and she started hawking Revlon products

[kevykev]

i believe that the point we are tring to make let him do ti before its too late. give him a FRWL as a reward for what he has done to restore Bond

[00Twelve]

Not to get too far off the original point of the post, but I think that after nursing a tortured Bond back to health for six weeks, she'd mean a little more to him than Paris Carver, and I'd like to see him act a death scene with a better actress anyway.

Also, there are lot of other scenes that could be redone very well, such as an assassination attempt on M (especially with Brosnan's chemistry w/ Judi Dench) or making Bond watch something like the mud bath torture in DAF.

[Jim]

Originally posted by JimmyBond
For the life of me though, I can't recall any versions of DAD being called "Jinx" Or for that matter, I must have missed the part where the film stopped and she started hawking Revlon products

Not that I particularly want you to wager your life over a few very silly points about a very silly film, but my point was a bit more "slippery slope/rot well and truly set in" idea; but then again, how far do you think we were from what you have proposed?

[JimmyBond]

Originally posted by Jim


Not that I particularly want you to wager your life over a few very silly points about a very silly film, but my point was a bit more "slippery slope/rot well and truly set in" idea; but then again, how far do you think we were from what you have proposed?

Well, if Halle Berry decides to return for the next Bond film, perhaps your idea will be more truth than fiction eh ?

[General Koskov]

If they use obvious literary elements in Bond 21 (such as the plot of MR, or some such thing), what will Benson's novelisation be like? Would he even novelise it? Will two Bond books having the same plot cause the universe to collapse upon itself?

This is why I'm for remaking DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, and MR (the four films whose plots bear little resemblance to Fleming's plots): so that the literary elements may be used without having to drop elements which were used in these four films.

I.E. seeing Bond go to Vegas to battle the Spangled Mob would be boring after seeing DAF, but if Eon just said: 'we're remaking DAF', then people would expect similar events, and thus the film would be seen in a better light.

But as I've said before, I wouldn't want to make all the work that went into these four films seem 'pointless' by making a 'better' version. How do other remakes deal with this issue? (Is it even an issue?)

[kevrichardson]

what would remaking DAF,TMWTGG,YOLT do since the original material form the novels has nver been use. a complete adpation of Casino Royale would work its just a case of screenwriters and the induction of the right charcaters.. the whole love scene in Casino Royale could be use rather well . many other character have never been use, Rene Mathis. a renterduction of a early love interest for Bond like Prof Bergstrom. One thing for sure a retro Bond would very much be in order.

[General Koskov]

I mean remaking the films to follow the novels' plots, not just remaking them because I don't like them.