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[Winking Fish]

As with Barry and his 007 Theme, might David Arnold have created an all-purpose Bond theme to use in any of the Bond films he scores? I'm talking about his "I Will Return" theme, which, unlike the themes for Jinx and Graves/Icarus, isn't tied into DAD specifically. As such, it can be re-used in any context in a future film without evoking memories of anything specific. Indeed, if he does intend on using I Will Return for Bond 21, that would certainly seem to be the case.

I guess it would be helpful at this point to identify just what, exactly, the I Will Return theme is. Keep in mind that I may not, exactly, be totally correct. I believe it makes its first splash around the middle of Hovercraft Chase, at 1:48, then returns again quite beautifully in the Hong Kong suite (which, of course, ain't on CD). Starting at 0:35, it comes in on the piano during A Touch of Frost, and makes its final appearance at 4:11 during Whiteout's amazing final minute. All in all, it's quite similar to the specific section of the Bond theme (and there are many) that... uhm, opens up Arnold's gunbarrels in TND and TWINE. You know... that little 4 note bit. Okay, my lack of musical understanding is beginning to show..

All I'm saying is that we ought to keep an eye on this little ditty Arnold's come up with. His very own generic Bond theme. And to those who have a problem with Arnold quoting his (and Barry's) work from previous Bond installments, I can only wonder what your problem is with themes and motifs reappearing in a film franchise. I mean, isn't that the point? Maybe I could understand the complaint if Live and Let Die played over a scene of Bond in the bathroom, but... we're talking quick little snippets here and there that only serve to expand Bond's musical repertoire. The descending piano motif of Pipeline making its return in Antonov (is that supposed to be the make of the plane, by the way?) does not indicate that Arnold has run out of ideas.

I'd like to see more of this sort of referencing, actually; I rather miss the part in Bike Chase that begins at 2:43 and goes to 3:11. It surfaced in Come in 007... from 2:31 to 2:51, and I'd kill to hear it in Iced Inc. Then, of course, the meat of Hamburg Break-out starting at 0:36 has a little cameo in Come in 007... at 2:16. These anal retentive times are provided for those who want to see just what, exactly, I'm going on about.

And yes, I'm a new member but have been lurking for about two months now.

[level007]

Welcome Winking fish.

I am glad to welcome another Fan of bond music here.
i see that you like Arnold music.
Maybe you would be interested to see my website about rare stuff i could extract from the dvd of TWINE.
If you have some rare stuff too, ill be glad to hear it :-)

welcome to the best james bond forum !

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[Winking Fish]

Funny you should mention that, as I did check your site out a while back and grabbed all I could off of it. I even sent you an email asking if you had that wonderful pre-ski chase music from TWINE (which, getting back on track, is of course referenced in Going Down Together, and the Moneypenny scene preceding it).

[level007]

well, i remember now... Did i rrespond to your mail ? if not i am very sorry.
By the way when i ll have more time, i think i ll post the missing cues from TND i grabbed from the isolated score. there are tracks that are wonderfull, like the one just after Hamburg Break out, when bond escape Carvers offices.
About the pre-shi chase music in TWINE, i tried to extract them but i failed to deleted the FX (the sound of the helicopter). Maybe should i try one more time.

[solitaire]

Oh i'm sorry,I thought this thread was titled "David Arnolds Geriatric Bond theme. My mistake;)

[JimmyBond]

Posts like that will sure get people to agree with your opinions solitaire.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by JimmyBond
Posts like that will sure get people to agree with your opinions solitaire.

Oh,I have never needed other people to validate my opinions.

[Doubleshot]

Nice of you to jump in and try to spoil the topic.

[Winking Fish]

Whatever. It's clear he's a troll. Just ignore. Really, I can't understand why you people give him the time of day.

[gkgyver]

Um, to all David Arnold fans out there:
let's just ignore all of Ms. Solitaire's pointless posts because we all know: she has her, very special, opinion of David Arnold's work and we also know that she won't change it. We had lots of discussion about this (I remember this thread about the Madonna- sticker on the DAD Soundtrack) and I think we all are tired of discussing things that don't have to be discussed ( we all know Arnold's work is outstanding) and in case of Solitaire, it's like try curing Blofeld's insanity.

[Doubleshot]

Shouldn't it be Mr. Solitaire? (not trying to be sarcastic)

[level007]

good idea gkgyver

[ray t]

actually she is a he....hehe:D hehe

[solitaire]

Originally posted by Winking Fish
Whatever.  It's clear he's a troll.  

Who me? or did you mean "yo mama";)

[Winking Fish]

No, seriously. Stop now before the thread gets off-track.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by gkgyver
Um, to all David Arnold fans out there:  
let's just ignore all of Ms. Solitaire's pointless posts because we all know: she has her, very special, opinion of David Arnold's work and we also know that she won't change it. We had lots of discussion about this (I remember this thread about the Madonna- sticker on the DAD Soundtrack) and I think we all are tired of discussing things that don't have to be discussed ( we all know Arnold's work is outstanding) and in case of Solitaire, it's like try curing Blofeld's insanity.

How childish is it to refer to me in the female venacular,when you know perfectly well,i'm a he. anyway it's nice to know I can always count on your sensitivity,and single digit IQ:rolleyes:

[gkgyver]

Now let's get to the point again.
I agree with Winking Fish. Everyone complains about the reuse of TWINE's music, but who really cares? If it works with the movie, it's okay. And David Arnold definitely was NOT uncreative with DAD. Everyone who saw the movie will agree.
I'm pretty sure that many point at the Soundtrack and say "that's a rehash". I have to say that the Soundtrack represents the score quite poorly. A whole minute or so is missing from the Ice Chase, the pretitle sequence isn't complete and there's one minute missing from the big finale.
Also, it's not really good if every movie brings a whole new music style with it because it would show us a kind of uncertainity. Look, every composer who brought a whole new and unique style to the Bond series didn't do a second Bond, simply because their scores where "too" special for reusing it. Who would really want another GoldenEye-, For Your Eyes Only-, License To Kill- or TSWLM- like score?
The only two composers who brought a fresh style to Bond movies and were able to follow their lines without changing the style of every movie too much were John Barry and David Arnold (sorry, MR. Solitaire). David Arnold took the 007- music to a whole new level in three small steps instead of a big one (TND- TWINE- DAD).

[marktmurphy]

Has 'I Will Return' surfaced on the net yet? Didn't some guy on MI6 say he had it?

[Johnny Tower]

Let's just hope we REALLY get a chance to hear David Arnold's version of "007" in Bond 21. It seemed like it was going to be definitely in DAD... use of bells of some type... played during the ice ballet car chase. It never happened. GRRRR! It's hard to believe that we haven't heard it since "Moonraker."

[gkgyver]

I'm looking for I Will Return every day in KazaA!, but couldn't find anything. Maybe this guy at MI6 posts it for the alternate music- project.

[iceberg]

I finally got a chance to listen to the DAD score. Given some of the almost vitriolic responses on the forums, I was expecting the worst. Wasn't too bad, really. Sure, some tracks were heavily influenced by DAD, but it wasn't too distracting.

Still, now that Arnold has "diversified" with his Bond scores, I hope that he's gotten it somewhat out of his system and returns the the emotional elegance of his TND score (my favorite one since John Barry's departure.)