62 replies to this topic

[bonds_walther]

I was inspired to start this thread after reading an article over at Digital Spy. Two questions:

How does the SPECTRE ring work? Who has it now?

I'd be interested to hear everyone's thoughts. I've only seen the film once so far (will be twice this afternoon) and this is something that's been bugging me since Monday.

[Vauxhall]

Moving to spoilers, just in case.

The biggest loophole I've found is the fact Sciarra's ring has DNA links to pretty much everyone from the past three films.

[bonds_walther]

Moving to spoilers, just in case.

The biggest loophole I've found is the fact Sciarra's ring has DNA links to pretty much everyone from the past three films.

 

Apologies - I thought I was in the spoilers section.  Thanks for moving it.

 

Your problem with the ring is also one of my gripes.  Are we to believe that it has been worn by the previous villains?

Edited by bonds_walther, 30 October 2015 - 11:18 AM.

[thecasinoroyale]

Just a shame because none of the previous villains wore a ring during their films.

 

Biggest loophole for me so I can't extend a theory wacky enough to cover how one ring rules them all.

[bonds_walther]

Just a shame because none of the previous villains wore a ring during their films.

Biggest loophole for me so I can't extend a theory wacky enough to cover how one ring rules them all.

It's almost crying out for some digital wizardry to be performed on the previous three films. I also (jokingly) feel like CR, QoS and SF should have some Bloferhauser scenes added in - ala the scenes between him, Kronsteen and Klebb in FRWL. Would certainly help to make the links more believable. :0)

[RMc2]

Moving to spoilers, just in case.

The biggest loophole I've found is the fact Sciarra's ring has DNA links to pretty much everyone from the past three films.

 

 

Maybe Bloferhauser gives the rings personally to each Spectre member.

 

Maybe they only make a few rings, and have a limited number of full members. 

 

Maybe it was Le Chiffre's ring first, which was then recovered by Mr White at the end of CR.  

 

Then maybe Bloferhauser gave it to Silva. Then, somehow, it was recovered from his body/MI6. 

 

Then Bloferhauser gave it to Sciarra.

[Vauxhall]

Maybe

[Guy Haines]

Wouldn't mind getting one to go with my SPECTRE Swatch watches and the mobile phone with the octopus symbol on the front!

 

I couldn't quite follow how;

 

Spoiler

Q managed to ID the other villains with it. DNA, or was it more than a ring and was some kind of portable data storage system with all the information about the others on it?

[bonds_walther]

Wouldn't mind getting one to go with my SPECTRE Swatch watches and the mobile phone with the octopus symbol on the front!

I couldn't quite follow how;

Spoiler

Q managed to ID the other villains with it. DNA, or was it more than a ring and was some kind of portable data storage system with all the information about the others on it?

From what I saw on screen, it appeared that the men were IDd by DNA.

[Vauxhall]

Yes, but that would mean all of them had touched that particular ring at some point - which is a bit of a leap.

[bonds_walther]

Yes, but that would mean all of them had touched that particular ring at some point - which is a bit of a leap.

A bloody big leap!

[stromberg]

 

Yes, but that would mean all of them had touched that particular ring at some point - which is a bit of a leap.

A bloody big leap!

 

We can also see some scanning of fingerprints.

 

A bloody big stretched leap. It's one of the things that I don't really buy. 

[Harmsway]

That a single ring would have DNA on it from all of those folks is a preposterous notion, and an inexcusable one given how easy it would be to tie those folks in without this silly story device.

[bonds_walther]

That a single ring would have DNA on it from all of those folks is a preposterous notion, and an inexcusable one given how easy it would be to tie those folks in without this silly story device.

I wish they had dreamt up some other plot device to bring Quantum and SPECTRE together, and perhaps left Silva completely out of it. Silva could have been DC's Auric Goldfinger - not motivated by SPECTRE.

[RMc2]

Maybe

 

Perhaps

[sharpshooter]

Yes, but that would mean all of them had touched that particular ring at some point - which is a bit of a leap.

One of the first things to come out of SPECTRE that I do find ridiculous. 

[Simon]

Have to say, reading this, the film blipped along at such a rate, I didn't even stop to think about that.

 

But I concur entirely.

 

Mind you, even if a ring could maintain DNA for such long periods of time, if there Was just one ring, then it might already have been passed on to Sciarra by the time we saw the villains from the previous three films.  But precisely Why a ring would be passed on as opposed to there being many such team identifying rings poses another question.

[bonds_walther]

Have to say, reading this, the film blipped along at such a rate, I didn't even stop to think about that.

But I concur entirely.

Mind you, even if a ring could maintain DNA for such long periods of time, if there Was just one ring, then it might already have been passed on to Sciarra by the time we saw the villains from the previous three films. But precisely Why a ring would be passed on as opposed to there being many such team identifying rings poses another question.

Especially when you see people in the SPECTRE meeting room all wearing their own ring.

Edited by bonds_walther, 31 October 2015 - 06:43 AM.

[Vauxhall]

The ring could easily have been touched by Oberhauser. That's fine, as he probably hands them out etc.

The simplest way, if not perfect, would then have been for a more detailed search of DNA linking Oberhauser to all the others in some way - possessions found on them or at their homes after they died.

[Guy Haines]

That a single ring would have DNA on it from all of those folks is a preposterous notion, and an inexcusable one given how easy it would be to tie those folks in without this silly story device.

I wish they had dreamt up some other plot device to bring Quantum and SPECTRE together, and perhaps left Silva completely out of it. Silva could have been DC's Auric Goldfinger - not motivated by SPECTRE.

Except leaving out Silva;

Spoiler

Would have broken the link between Bond and Oberhauser/Blofeld with the latter as the "author" of all Bond's pain - via the death of M in this case.

[Hansen]

2 options :

1) Poor McGuffin invented by lazy authors

2) A machiavelic trick by Oberhauser : knowing that if Bond had to come on this trail, it would be by one of his soldier and would be intrigued by the ring and would analyze it. So each SPECTRE ring has the DNA of Le Chiffre / White / Silva.... to make sure that Bond would follow the trail and eventually find Oberhauser for the ultimate confrontation !

[Guy Haines]

Sciarra has done dirty work for Le Chiffre, White, Greene, Silva in the past? He seemed to be a high up within SPECTRE (chief executioner, like Grant in FRWL?) Might that explain the DNA traces?

[bonds_walther]

That a single ring would have DNA on it from all of those folks is a preposterous notion, and an inexcusable one given how easy it would be to tie those folks in without this silly story device.

I wish they had dreamt up some other plot device to bring Quantum and SPECTRE together, and perhaps left Silva completely out of it. Silva could have been DC's Auric Goldfinger - not motivated by SPECTRE.

Except leaving out Silva;

Spoiler

Would have broken the link between Bond and Oberhauser/Blofeld with the latter as the "author" of all Bond's pain - via the death of M in this case.

True, but Silva's motivation in SF is clearly personal. I don't believe for one minute that Bloferhauser put him up to wanting M dead.
I can see how SPECTRE could have hired Silva's services for one reason or another - think about some of the dialogue he has during his first meeting with Bond. It's just also very tenuous, which is my problem with SP.

[bigbadbobbo82]

Just seen this for the second time. I noticed Q was looking at autopsy reports which proved they'd all wore a ring with matching metal. How he tied that to oberhauser I'm not sure. I don't think they all wore that specific ring.

[Harmsway]

Just seen this for the second time. I noticed Q was looking at autopsy reports which proved they'd all wore a ring with matching metal. How he tied that to oberhauser I'm not sure. I don't think they all wore that specific ring.

That makes more sense.

[Guy Haines]

That a single ring would have DNA on it from all of those folks is a preposterous notion, and an inexcusable one given how easy it would be to tie those folks in without this silly story device.

I wish they had dreamt up some other plot device to bring Quantum and SPECTRE together, and perhaps left Silva completely out of it. Silva could have been DC's Auric Goldfinger - not motivated by SPECTRE.

Except leaving out Silva;

Spoiler

Would have broken the link between Bond and Oberhauser/Blofeld with the latter as the "author" of all Bond's pain - via the death of M in this case.

True, but Silva's motivation in SF is clearly personal. I don't believe for one minute that Bloferhauser put him up to wanting M dead.
I can see how SPECTRE could have hired Silva's services for one reason or another - think about some of the dialogue he has during his first meeting with Bond. It's just also very tenuous, which is my problem with SP.

I don't doubt the motivation of Silva was personal but we now know - the screenwriters confirmed it in "Empire" magazine - that Silva was working for SPECTRE. The plot to kill M may not have been directed by SPECTRE but the organisation could have provided material support - the helicopter and the goon squad for the final assault on Skyfall Lodge, for example. Plus;

Spoiler

a concerted cyber attack on MI6 would help persuade the government that it was no longer fit for purpose, leading to the storyline we have in SPECTRE -one big intelligence outfit which just happens to be headed by a man in league with SPECTRE.

[Vauxhall]

 

Just seen this for the second time. I noticed Q was looking at autopsy reports which proved they'd all wore a ring with matching metal. How he tied that to oberhauser I'm not sure. I don't think they all wore that specific ring.

 

That makes more sense.

 

I took a closer look tonight. The word DNA is visible on the screen, but it appears all their autopsies found traces of zirconium (Zr), and that's what links them.

 

Having said that, there is still one bit of a graphic which says "Franz Oberhauser - DNA match", but that might be just to Sciarra's ring.

[sharpshooter]

True, but Silva's motivation in SF is clearly personal. I don't believe for one minute that Bloferhauser put him up to wanting M dead.

I can see how SPECTRE could have hired Silva's services for one reason or another - think about some of the dialogue he has during his first meeting with Bond. It's just also very tenuous, which is my problem with SP.

I'm thinking Silva isn't changed that much from this SPECTRE retcon. Oberhauser could have known of Silva's hatred of M and was willing to resource this. Eg. the helicopter and men during the final lodge assault. But more or less, Silva could've been his own man. Doing his own secret missions, just as he tempts Bond to do the same. All he probably needed was the tick of approval from Oberhauser, which he would've received. 

[thecasinoroyale]

£145 and you can buy an official SPECTRE ring replica from 007.com:

http://www.shop.007....re-octopus-ring

[chriso]

£145 and you can buy an official SPECTRE ring replica from 007.com:

http://www.shop.007....re-octopus-ring

€ 199,99 for an official ring with certificate...perfect gift for an evil person you like