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[Orion]

Journalists (not very good ones at that) are latching onto his gripes with SPECTRE, but he's mostly nice about the film, Craig and the series in general in the full interview. The Bond films just happen to have hit that unfortunate attitude people occasionally have for franchises where its cool to be a (self censored) about any thing new it does, there was a whiff of that attitude from some corners when Skyfall came out, just SPECTRE seems to have got the full brunt of it. Mostly reviews have been positive and people who have seen it have found it to be a very good film, if not as strong as Casino Royale and Skyfall (which are both thought amongst the finest in the series for good reasons)

[occhile007]

"Well it's all a matter of perspective."

[the man with the BB gun]

Just bear in mind that these quotes have probably been blown out of proportion by scummy newspapers to make a bigger deal of it than is really necessary . To be honest compared to some of the snotty reviews i've read Brosnan was quite kind about Spectre .

I actually agree with what Pierce said about the storyline , it's not great but it's far from the worst Bond storyline ( weirdly it didn't stop me enjoying the movie) The actors can only do their best with the material they are given. DAD wasn't Brosnan's fault much like QOS wasn't Daniel's.

[The Dove]

Just bear in mind that these quotes have probably been blown out of proportion by scummy newspapers to make a bigger deal of it than is really necessary . To be honest compared to some of the snotty reviews i've read Brosnan was quite kind about Spectre .

I actually agree with what Pierce said about the storyline , it's not great but it's far from the worst Bond storyline ( weirdly it didn't stop me enjoying the movie) The actors can only do their best with the material they are given. DAD wasn't Brosnan's fault much like QOS wasn't Daniel's.

 

Excellent points, BB gun!! Yeah, most of the time the tabloids and other "not-so-respectable" media outlets will take a quote or interview and completely blow everything out of proportion. Similar to the media blowing up Daniel Craig's "slashing-wrists, rather than doing another Bond movie" quotes..

[Mr. White's Son]

I get the gripe of QOS = Bourne, but "Spectre"? Really? Even in part?

[Dustin]

No, never had a Bourne-vibe with SPECTRE. Pretty generic criticism that's just flying around out there; people repeat it without properly comparing the films. A leftover from QOS.

[FlemingBond]

remind's me of Daniel's comment's about doing another Bond film a couple weeks ago. The public want's the question's asked, then are surprised if they don't like the answer.

[DavidJones]

I'm surprised Pierce has seen Spectre but I'm glad he has. The Bourne comparison is a bit reduncant. It held weight with Quantum but not Spectre. I remember reading how he watched The Living Daylights on a plane after he lost the part (much as he would go on to - almost - see Casino Royale on a plane) and he thought the story was "a bit convoluted".

Edited by DavidJones, 18 November 2015 - 09:46 PM.

[Simon]

Seems a fair and balanced point of view.  Spot on with Craig's portrayal.

 

Not sure of the confusion with Bourne movies as this one seemed obviously 'classic' Bond.  QoS, to be sure, but not SPECTRE.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Don't have a problem with what Pierce Brosnan said. He gave his opinion which was, overall, more than positive, particularly in regards to Daniel Craig. The detractors (and Brosnan haters) are making a mountain out of less than a molehill.

[sharpshooter]

Not sure of the confusion with Bourne movies as this one seemed obviously 'classic' Bond.  QoS, to be sure, but not SPECTRE.

 

Indeed. If anything, SPECTRE is being raked over the coals for being too 'safe'.

 

The Bourne comments more fit QoS - however I still think QoS had a sense of glamour and style that isn't as evident in the Bourne films. 

[jamie00007]

Skyfall couldn't be any further removed from a Bourne film if it tried. There's literally not one aspect that's even comparable. Spectre has far more in common with the Brosnan films than Bourne.

[casinoroyale75]

Probably a little sour grapes intertwined in his comments. He made, in my opinion, the worst Bond movie ever (Die Another Day). By far the worst Bond, also imo. Other Bonds probably shouldn't comment on Bond movies "not their own." That would be the p.c. and classy thing to do. Pierce Brosnan never remotely reminded me of James Bond.

[tdalton]

Other Bonds have commented on films that aren't theirs several times before, all of which have been brought up in this thread. There wasn't any outrage when Connery praised Craig for CR or when Moore praised the films he's praised or when he criticized QOS, or when Brosnan himself praised Craig for prior films, because those opinions were reflections of the popular opinion. Now that Brosnan has an opinion that those disagree with, he's dragged through the mud, even though he said nothing bad about Craig himself and, in fact, praised him greatly for his work in the film, and only sought to point out the flaws (i.e. the script) that we've been pointing to as a problem for the films for quite some time.

I used to be about as big of a critic of Brosnan that there ever was, but the criticism of him over this is just going way too far. He has a right to voice his opinion. It's not like he really criticized the film anyway, and he certainly didn't criticize Daniel Craig.

[stromberg]

Other Bonds have commented on films that aren't theirs several times before, all of which have been brought up in this thread. There wasn't any outrage when Connery praised Craig for CR or when Moore praised the films he's praised or when he criticized QOS, or when Brosnan himself praised Craig for prior films, because those opinions were reflections of the popular opinion. Now that Brosnan has an opinion that those disagree with, he's dragged through the mud, even though he said nothing bad about Craig himself and, in fact, praised him greatly for his work in the film, and only sought to point out the flaws (i.e. the script) that we've been pointing to as a problem for the films for quite some time.

I used to be about as big of a critic of Brosnan that there ever was, but the criticism of him over this is just going way too far, IMO. He has a right to voice his opinion. It's not like he really criticized the film anyway, and he certainly didn't criticize Daniel Craig.

This.

[Hockey Mask]

Other Bonds have commented on films that aren't theirs several times before, all of which have been brought up in this thread. There wasn't any outrage when Connery praised Craig for CR or when Moore praised the films he's praised or when he criticized QOS, or when Brosnan himself praised Craig for prior films, because those opinions were reflections of the popular opinion. Now that Brosnan has an opinion that those disagree with, he's dragged through the mud, even though he said nothing bad about Craig himself and, in fact, praised him greatly for his work in the film, and only sought to point out the flaws (i.e. the script) that we've been pointing to as a problem for the films for quite some time.
I used to be about as big of a critic of Brosnan that there ever was, but the criticism of him over this is just going way too far. He has a right to voice his opinion. It's not like he really criticized the film anyway, and he certainly didn't criticize Daniel Craig.

You don't bad mouth the family.

[tdalton]

Apparently that only applies to Brosnan. Moore criticized QOS and Connery made a rival Bond film, yet don't face this kind of backlash.

Brosnan's comments aren't even harsh.

[Hockey Mask]

You don't bad mouth the family when you're a second-rate Bond.

[Dustin]

Oh please...

A little perspective would do no harm here. Brosnan was very supportive of Craig and not overly harsh with his criticism.

And I'm fairly sure neither Craig nor the Bond films in general constitute 'family' for him. So let's not further this pointless argument here.

[Hockey Mask]

I think it could be argued that "Bond family" may mean more to Brosnan than any of the 007s.

[byline]

SPECTRE is a better movie than all of the Brosnan Bond's except GE, perhaps. There I said it...brickbats please, as I see that SPECTRE doesnt have too many fans. Just imagine Hinx vs Brosnan...

I'll go one better than you and say that SPECTRE is better than all of Brosnan's Bond films. Obviously that's just my opinion, but there it is.

[casinoroyale75]

Agree byline (on SP being better than Brosnan's movies). By 10,000 miles.

[Harmsway]

GOLDENEYE is much, much better than SPECTRE.

[Hockey Mask]

Goldeneye was awesome when it released but it has not held up very well.

[sharpshooter]

I think Goldeneye has the better henchperson – Xenia, and Sean Bean was superior to Waltz. Goldeneye also has a couple of iconic sequences under its belt, namely the bungee jump and the tank chase. I’m not yet convinced anything from SPECTRE will become iconic. The helicopter spin may, but we’ll see. Goldeneye has the superior finale - I think SPECTRE’s London scenes go on for a bit too long. But I do enjoy both films. However as an overall product I'm leaning towards SPECTRE - I prefer the tone and find it more entertaining.

[Hockey Mask]

I liked Waltz far more than Bean. The PTS in SPECTRE was superior although the dam jump was better. The "lairs" are about a wash for me. Xenia may get a very slight edge over Hinx. The train fight is far better than the the tank sequence.

[Professor Pi]

Better chemistry between Natalya and Bond then Madeleine and Bond. 

[blueman]

Eh, not much here IMHO, he's always been good for a poisonous comment or three. I was pissed at Brosnan's trashing his own films while he was still in the role, had a bad habit of bad-mouthing his previous film while promoting the new one, not very gracious at all IMO.

[stamper]

No SPECTRE is better than GE. It aged badly.

 

Natalya, even then, was the kind of girl that get on the nerves. I was waiting for Bond to punch her.

 

The scene where she says her name to get out of the base and the computer doesn't work is bad, as is Boris I am Invincible!

 

There's not one character in SPECTRE as stupid and as unbearable as Boris. Couldn't even cheer when he died so stupid it was.

 

That dumb idiot also shakes his computer screen to get his computer to work, and it's a PC so he should shake the computer main body, not the screen which is separate. Bloody idiot.

[Dustin]

No SPECTRE is better than GE. It aged badly.

Natalya, even then, was the kind of girl that get on the nerves. I was waiting for Bond to punch her.

Hummmm...

If Bond were to punch her, for getting on his nerves or whatever reason else some prima donna may need to hit a woman - often not terribly much - then I hope she takes a baseball bat and sends the sorry bottom feeder back to Q-branch. In 00-7 handy parcels and with the bat where it belongs.

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