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[RMc2]

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

 

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

 

Genetic engineering could even sate their "relevant fear" brief for every Bond plot

[DisneyGets007]

 

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

 

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

 

Genetic engineering could even sate their "relevant fear" brief for every Bond plot

 

If not apparently, what not try something different (based on the original idea by myself).

 

The opening shot begins with Bond on the mission (with 009) to demolish the unexplained evil organisation, but the mission was interrupted by the infamous species called The Martians from the planet Mars in order to invade Berlin.

 

After the opening shot; tn the MI6 HQ in London, M explains to Bond why does The Martians become very real than in the myth after the incident in Berlin. Meanwhile on Mars, a general named Karken have ordered his troops to attack mankind (and of course, the MI6). While back on Earth in London, M has warned to the MI6 and other intelligence agencies that he calls it "The Great Martian War" in which Bond believes that it appears to be fact than fiction. Just then, The Martians began to invade the Earth and M have set-up the Avengers-style team including James Bond to reunite with his lover Madeleine, his old enemy Blofeld and his partner Felix, a former CIA agent who now involves in the FBI. The invasion has begun. M decides to send them to defeat Karken, ordered by his late king of Mars, and his army.

 

Bond, Blofeld, Madeleine, Felix defeats Karken; meeting M (like Blofeld saws M as seen in Spectre that i've watched last night) and his army was arrested. Karken was now accused of invading the Earth, pleaded guilty of plotting to destroy mankind and sent to jail for life.

 

In the end, Bond and Madeleine understand about what's next in the future after the war. the screen goes black and the banner reads "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN", then the credits played.

[stromberg]

 

 

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

 

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

 

Genetic engineering could even sate their "relevant fear" brief for every Bond plot

 

If not apparently, what not try something different (based on the original idea by myself).

 

The opening shot begins with Bond on the mission (with 009) to demolish the unexplained evil organisation, but the mission was interrupted by the infamous species called The Martians from the planet Mars in order to invade Berlin.

 

After the opening shot; tn the MI6 HQ in London, M explains to Bond why does The Martians become very real than in the myth after the incident in Berlin. Meanwhile on Mars, a general named Karken have ordered his troops to attack mankind (and of course, the MI6). While back on Earth in London, M has warned to the MI6 and other intelligence agencies that he calls it "The Great Martian War" in which Bond believes that it appears to be fact than fiction. Just then, The Martians began to invade the Earth and M have set-up the Avengers-style team including James Bond to reunite with his lover Madeleine, his old enemy Blofeld and his partner Felix, a former CIA agent who now involves in the FBI. The invasion has begun. M decides to send them to defeat Karken, ordered by his late king of Mars, and his army.

 

Bond, Blofeld, Madeleine, Felix defeats Karken; meeting M (like Blofeld saws M as seen in Spectre that i've watched last night) and his army was arrested. Karken was now accused of invading the Earth, pleaded guilty of plotting to destroy mankind and sent to jail for life.

 

In the end, Bond and Madeleine understand about what's next in the future after the war. the screen goes black and the banner reads "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN", then the credits played.

 

 

 

'nuff said.

[JohnnyWalker]

I don't have any sort of plot idea for a new Bond movie, but I feel I could guess what they should try next.

 

I wouldn't bring back Madeleine back, I just see no reason for it. I'd probably open it a little like Spectre, stylish, action-y with some good humour. I'd have Bond seeming a little carefree until the mission brings back some more of his serious side, though he knows he can save the day.

 

I'd stick to less locations, a little like YOLT it would be believable that he can travel in a short time span. And for an amazing trailer moment Bond would have an entrance in a scene wearing his naval uniform, ready t command troops.

 

I think if they give Craig some new things to do he would definitely want to come back.

[Jim]

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.
It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.
Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.
Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.
You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

 
That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!
 
Genetic engineering could even sate their "relevant fear" brief for every Bond plot

If not apparently, what not try something different (based on the original idea by myself).
 
The opening shot begins with Bond on the mission (with 009) to demolish the unexplained evil organisation, but the mission was interrupted by the infamous species called The Martians from the planet Mars in order to invade Berlin.
 
After the opening shot; tn the MI6 HQ in London, M explains to Bond why does The Martians become very real than in the myth after the incident in Berlin. Meanwhile on Mars, a general named Karken have ordered his troops to attack mankind (and of course, the MI6). While back on Earth in London, M has warned to the MI6 and other intelligence agencies that he calls it "The Great Martian War" in which Bond believes that it appears to be fact than fiction. Just then, The Martians began to invade the Earth and M have set-up the Avengers-style team including James Bond to reunite with his lover Madeleine, his old enemy Blofeld and his partner Felix, a former CIA agent who now involves in the FBI. The invasion has begun. M decides to send them to defeat Karken, ordered by his late king of Mars, and his army.
 
Bond, Blofeld, Madeleine, Felix defeats Karken; meeting M (like Blofeld saws M as seen in Spectre that i've watched last night) and his army was arrested. Karken was now accused of invading the Earth, pleaded guilty of plotting to destroy mankind and sent to jail for life.
 
In the end, Bond and Madeleine understand about what's next in the future after the war. the screen goes black and the banner reads "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN", then the credits played.

 

 
'nuff said.

Indeed. If it's a Bond film, it's obviously going to be Uranus.

[DaveBond21]

 

 Not acknowledging her in BOND 25 would be awkward and diminish her stature in SPECTRE completely.  She is the one Bond wants to quit the service for.  

 

I thought Vesper was the one he wanted to quit the service for. If it happens again it's just a re-hash of that.

 

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[RMc2]

 

 

 Not acknowledging her in BOND 25 would be awkward and diminish her stature in SPECTRE completely.  She is the one Bond wants to quit the service for.  

 

I thought Vesper was the one he wanted to quit the service for. If it happens again it's just a re-hash of that.

 

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I think it's already happened again

[Harmsway]

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

If only EON was willing to consider spec scripts.

[DaveBond21]

 

 

 

 Not acknowledging her in BOND 25 would be awkward and diminish her stature in SPECTRE completely.  She is the one Bond wants to quit the service for.  

 

I thought Vesper was the one he wanted to quit the service for. If it happens again it's just a re-hash of that.

 

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I think it's already happened again

 

 

I don't.

 

But I think some people will blame the producers for not including Swann in the next movie, even though it was never their intention and it was merely some fans reading into things that aren't there. They will actually criticise them for not getting Seydoux back when they would have never asked her.

 

Q saying to Bond "I thought you'd gone" is deliberately ambiguous. If he had definitely resigned we would have had a resignation scene or at least a letter.

 

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[Harmsway]

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

[RMc2]

 

 

 

 

 Not acknowledging her in BOND 25 would be awkward and diminish her stature in SPECTRE completely.  She is the one Bond wants to quit the service for.  

 

I thought Vesper was the one he wanted to quit the service for. If it happens again it's just a re-hash of that.

 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

I think it's already happened again

 

 

I don't.

 

But I think some people will blame the producers for not including Swann in the next movie, even though it was never their intention and it was merely some fans reading into things that aren't there. They will actually criticise them for not getting Seydoux back when they would have never asked her.

 

Q saying to Bond "I thought you'd gone" is deliberately ambiguous. If he had definitely resigned we would have had a resignation scene or at least a letter.

 

__________________________________________________________________________

 

 

Yes, you're right it's ambiguous, but it's only ambiguous until we have a confirmation of one thing or the other.

 

So for now, Bond is both retired and not retired. Schroedinger's Spy

 

Personally, I think they'll bring Swann back (if Craig returns). She's the first leading lady Craig's Bond has gone off with, and the first who has professed love for him. Two pretty big things for Craig's Bond, and they love their continuity in his era (even if it's cackhanded at times). If Vesper continues to haunt Bond, Swann will leave her mark too - and she's still alive!

[tdalton]

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

 

They absolutely did.  The ending of the film really wasn't ambiguous at all.  

 

But, at least we've found a way out of the corner EON painted themselves into with the next film.  Mickey Mouse stars as James Bond 007 in Mars Attacks! 2: 007 vs The Martians, brought to you by the good people at Disney.

[DaveBond21]

 

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

 

They absolutely did.  The ending of the film really wasn't ambiguous at all.  

 

 

 

I think it was. MI6 wouldn't give him up that easily. They didn't in Casino Royale either. They've heard the threat before. And Moneypenny told him earlier in the movie that he is just getting started.

 

There's a whole movie in Bond wanting to resign if they want it.

 

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[tdalton]

As Harmsway already pointed out, the scene with Madeleine telling him that she can't be a part of that life anymore seals it.  She leaves him at that point.  Bond then has a choice to make on the bridge, he can either deal with Blofeld and continue his life as a Double-oh or he can leave with Madeleine.  He made his choice, and it's pretty clear in my view.

[SecretAgentFan]

 

 

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

 

They absolutely did.  The ending of the film really wasn't ambiguous at all.  

 

 

 

I think it was. MI6 wouldn't give him up that easily. They didn't in Casino Royale either. They've heard the threat before. And Moneypenny told him earlier in the movie that he is just getting started.

 

There's a whole movie in Bond wanting to resign if they want it.

 

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Oh, please - not a whole movie about that!

 

And, really if Mi6 has an agent as difficult as Bond they would not try to get him back.  Dench´s M maybe had some maternal feelings for CraigBond and felt guilty for giving him up.  But Fiennes´ M seems to me as much more realistic and pragmatic.

 

For the record: any future Bond should enjoy his job again, the character and the actor that portrays him.  The depression of being Bond is getting tired fast.

[Surrie]

 

 

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

 

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

 

Genetic engineering could even sate their "relevant fear" brief for every Bond plot

 

If not apparently, what not try something different (based on the original idea by myself).

 

The opening shot begins with Bond on the mission (with 009) to demolish the unexplained evil organisation, but the mission was interrupted by the infamous species called The Martians from the planet Mars in order to invade Berlin.

 

After the opening shot; tn the MI6 HQ in London, M explains to Bond why does The Martians become very real than in the myth after the incident in Berlin. Meanwhile on Mars, a general named Karken have ordered his troops to attack mankind (and of course, the MI6). While back on Earth in London, M has warned to the MI6 and other intelligence agencies that he calls it "The Great Martian War" in which Bond believes that it appears to be fact than fiction. Just then, The Martians began to invade the Earth and M have set-up the Avengers-style team including James Bond to reunite with his lover Madeleine, his old enemy Blofeld and his partner Felix, a former CIA agent who now involves in the FBI. The invasion has begun. M decides to send them to defeat Karken, ordered by his late king of Mars, and his army.

 

Bond, Blofeld, Madeleine, Felix defeats Karken; meeting M (like Blofeld saws M as seen in Spectre that i've watched last night) and his army was arrested. Karken was now accused of invading the Earth, pleaded guilty of plotting to destroy mankind and sent to jail for life.

 

In the end, Bond and Madeleine understand about what's next in the future after the war. the screen goes black and the banner reads "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN", then the credits played.

 

 

Okay so... what the hell was that! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Not acknowledging her in BOND 25 would be awkward and diminish her stature in SPECTRE completely.  She is the one Bond wants to quit the service for.  

 

I thought Vesper was the one he wanted to quit the service for. If it happens again it's just a re-hash of that.

 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

I think it's already happened again

 

 

I don't.

 

But I think some people will blame the producers for not including Swann in the next movie, even though it was never their intention and it was merely some fans reading into things that aren't there. They will actually criticise them for not getting Seydoux back when they would have never asked her.

 

Q saying to Bond "I thought you'd gone" is deliberately ambiguous. If he had definitely resigned we would have had a resignation scene or at least a letter.

 

__________________________________________________________________________

 

 

Yes, you're right it's ambiguous, but it's only ambiguous until we have a confirmation of one thing or the other.

 

So for now, Bond is both retired and not retired. Schroedinger's Spy

 

Personally, I think they'll bring Swann back (if Craig returns). She's the first leading lady Craig's Bond has gone off with, and the first who has professed love for him. Two pretty big things for Craig's Bond, and they love their continuity in his era (even if it's cackhanded at times). If Vesper continues to haunt Bond, Swann will leave her mark too - and she's still alive!

 

 

I hope they do bring Swann back. EON have decided to form Craig's era with aspects of continuity and this is a good a reason as any to bring her back. 

 

 

 

 

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

 

They absolutely did.  The ending of the film really wasn't ambiguous at all.  

 

 

 

I think it was. MI6 wouldn't give him up that easily. They didn't in Casino Royale either. They've heard the threat before. And Moneypenny told him earlier in the movie that he is just getting started.

 

There's a whole movie in Bond wanting to resign if they want it.

 

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

Oh, please - not a whole movie about that!

 

And, really if Mi6 has an agent as difficult as Bond they would not try to get him back.  Dench´s M maybe had some maternal feelings for CraigBond and felt guilty for giving him up.  But Fiennes´ M seems to me as much more realistic and pragmatic.

 

For the record: any future Bond should enjoy his job again, the character and the actor that portrays him.  The depression of being Bond is getting tired fast.

 

 

Agreed!! Bond should enjoy his job again - and I think if we see Craig doing so in his last movie then that would be excellent. However, EON have left it at a good point if he doesn't return. The last shot of SPECTRE see's Bond and Madeleine looking happy together - they can either leave it here with Craig's Bond finally finding some solace, and then a new actor can come in and enjoy the role again... OR they can bring Craig back for one more and maybe work with something there... 

[Connerybond]

Spectre has ingredients of some of the previous Bond films, which in a way link with earlier Bond films although the theme is contextually current.  For the next Bond, the need is a new director, composer and Craig doing the  final Bond.

[dtuba]

 

The two Madeleine/Bond scenes that set up Bond's choice in the finale make it pretty clear that Bond quit.

 

They absolutely did.  The ending of the film really wasn't ambiguous at all.  

 

But, at least we've found a way out of the corner EON painted themselves into with the next film.  Mickey Mouse stars as James Bond 007 in Mars Attacks! 2: 007 vs The Martians, brought to you by the good people at Disney.

 

Or...they could bring back Brosnan as 007 (he was in the original Mars Attacks! after all). Why not? He's still young enough.

Edited by dtuba, 02 March 2016 - 07:36 AM.

[TheREAL008]

Except it would be Bronsan's head, which was never reattached. lol

Anyhow, I think Madeline would actually be the one to leave Bond. Deep down she knows who James truly is and I think her old defenses would eventually come back at some point. Maybe not the coldness, but perhaps her feelings of being trapped in the lifestyle she fought so hard to escape?

While Harmsway's treatment was stellar, I'd interject on having Madeline be the one that got away and not have her killed. She knows that Bond and his job are inseparable. She doesn't wish to be hurt or widowed at some point. So she and Bond part on cathartic terms.

Just my viewpoint.

[univex]

 

 

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.


It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.

Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.

Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.

You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

If only EON was willing to consider spec scripts.

 

Yes, brilliantly done Harms. Now, if it´s nothing like that, I´ll hate it. Thanks a bunch

[DaveBond21]

Naomie Harris has said that Daniel Craig could still change his mind about playing Bond.

 

http://www.mirror.co...l-craig-7547643

 

"At this stage I don’t think ­anyone knows - not even Daniel”

 

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[SecretAgentFan]

I´m flip-flopping here like certain politicians - but as my love for SPECTRE has grown like crazy I do believe that Craig could and should do one more.  

 

His Bond has triumphed now.  I would love to see him even more relaxed in BOND 25, either facing Blofeld again or another villain.  I don´t think he needs to have his OHMSS - somehow he already had it with CR.  If the Garden of Death-element is used, I think, it can be done without the Bond-grieving over Tracy (or Madeleine)-angle.  It would suffice to have Bond just wishing to finally get rid of Blofeld.

[DaveBond21]

I´m flip-flopping here like certain politicians - but as my love for SPECTRE has grown like crazy I do believe that Craig could and should do one more.  

 

His Bond has triumphed now.  I would love to see him even more relaxed in BOND 25, either facing Blofeld again or another villain.  I don´t think he needs to have his OHMSS - somehow he already had it with CR.  If the Garden of Death-element is used, I think, it can be done without the Bond-grieving over Tracy (or Madeleine)-angle.  It would suffice to have Bond just wishing to finally get rid of Blofeld.

 

It would be ironic if it was a new Bond who ended up finally killing Blofeld.

 

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[Guy Haines]

Okay, here's (loosely) what I'd do with the SPECTRE follow-up.
It opens with Bond living in Jamaica with Madeleine (perhaps, in a nod to Fleming, they could use the actual Goldeneye house as Bond's home). He's working as a security consultant for the Governor-General of Jamaica. We get to see something we haven't seen before: what Bond looks like detached from his work. He's clearly bored--gambling too riskily, driving his car too fast when alone--but is certainly in love with Madeleine. So what we get is a bit of Don Draper circa season five of Mad Men, who was torn between his own personal desires and giving his wife what she wants.
Blofeld, who is being held in a secure facility in the Falklands, escapes. His first act is to get revenge on Bond: Madeleine is killed. With that, CraigBond doesn't go into depression, but, resigned to being 007, rampages through the remnants of the SPECTRE organization like Connery tears through SPECTRE in the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever: kicking ass, taking names, all the while taking the time to savor every drink and girl he comes across because, deep down, he believes he's going to his grave and that this is his last opportunity to enjoy it all. It's not really a quest for revenge as much as it is a fatalistic acceptance that his true love will always be the mission, not the girl; Madeleine's death is less a deep wound than an event that finally jars Bond out of a dream that he, deep down, always knew was nothing more than a dream.
Meanwhile, Blofeld's gone batty after SPECTRE and is launching an outlandish plan: he wants to his own nation-state. He intends to use a biological virus (which is capable of targeting specific DNA strains and populations) as the tool to get his wish. So he's holed up in a research facility in some fictional country where he's supplanted the existing power structure, preparing to blackmail major world leaders. This research facility, naturally, contains a "Garden of Death": a menagerie of poisonous plants and animals, all ostensibly for research purposes, but also convenient for dispatching inadequate henchmen and to subject Bond to a grueling, nightmarish final test of skill.
You end with the picture with Bond killing Blofeld during a dramatic final assault (for the first time in decades, we get a full-on commando assault on the villain's lair), but presumed dead. While composing his second obituary, Fiennes' M can comment that it takes a hell of a man to meet two deaths in the service of his country. Meanwhile, an unconscious Bond is found by a local (perhaps an improbably beautiful girl, in a nod to classic Bond tradition). The last shot: Bond opens his eyes. Cue Bond fanfare and big JAMES BOND WILL RETURN banner.

That is bloody brilliant, Harmsway. Send it to EON!

If only EON was willing to consider spec scripts.

Yes, brilliantly done Harms. Now, if it´s nothing like that, I´ll hate it. Thanks a bunch

Great scenario. It could be done without the death of Madeleine, necessarily - Bond is resigned to being "Bond" the licenced assassin, and they have to go their separate ways. More of a wrench than losing her to an assassin's bullet - the knowledge that a "normal" life could be out there for Bond but that he will now and forever be "007" instead, that he can't let go of that life because of a sense of duty - vocation, perhaps? ("It was either that or the priesthood" Bond tells Madeleine.)

One plot detail from SPECTRE which might not vex others but which I'd be interested to see explained in the next film - the small matter of that video from the late M. Why so insistent that, in the event of her death, Bond should track down Sciarra and kill him? What did she know about SPECTRE - and when did she know it?

[sharpshooter]

Naomie Harris has said that Daniel Craig could still change his mind about playing Bond.

http://www.mirror.co...l-craig-7547643

"At this stage I don’t think ­anyone knows - not even Daniel"

I hope a decision is announced soon. It's agony not knowing if the Craig era is done, or if it's not done just yet.

[Surrie]

 

Naomie Harris has said that Daniel Craig could still change his mind about playing Bond.

http://www.mirror.co...l-craig-7547643

"At this stage I don’t think ­anyone knows - not even Daniel"

I hope a decision is announced soon. It's agony not knowing if the Craig era is done, or if it's not done just yet.

 

 

Agreed. It's hard not knowing! Any ideas when we will find out for sure?? 

[Dustin]

Probably only when MGM invites for another of their limited-period marriages with an actual studio. I suspect all those involved, Craig, Eon, directors, possible candidates will want to know with whom they will have to work with. And that studio may perhaps also have ideas about which replacement for Craig - if any - they would prefer.


As far as direction after SPECTRE goes, I would like to see what happens after that botched Nine Eyes fiasco. Much has been made of forging one Big Brother organisation, a couple of times it was mentioned the 00 section would close shop (when did M become the head of 00-section, I wonder? And how would any trooper on the London theatre immediately know what that means...? Awww, forget it...)

Anyway, I'd like to see them launching a new 00-section withdrawn from the SIS and working on the drone-principle that great strategist Denbigh favoured so much: a couple of operatives in deep cover spread around the globe. They only get a target, some equipment and funds and off they go without asking questions. No briefings with M, no banter with Moneypenny or jokes with Q. F&F 00s: fire-and-forget. We'd see this kind of thing in action, M on a special terminal, Tanner entering specifics, M 'signing' this order with his thumb, Moneypenny counter signing as witness to the process, some dialog saying 'Not like in the old days - shame, it was much better to look the 00 in the eye when you set him on target.' Then we'd see a quick sequence of images, some guy in Boston or Barcelona opening his mail account, opening his safe, opening the boot of his Porsche to put a heavy bag inside, opening the breech of some rifle, a shot - and a coffin lid closing. Nice and clean, without much ado and headlines. A definite improvement...

Meanwhile Bond lives his early retirement with Madeleine, much like Harmsway has painted it so finely above. But somehow he gets wind of a plan to kill Fiennes-M with an inside agent. He investigates but comes up only with a corpse. Since he can't leave it there he of course tries to contact SIS, only there they think he's just a burnt out case and wants some attention. They have a whole section to treat these and every time he calls he's connected with the same subaltern bureaucrat. Not even Moneypenny bothers to take his calls on her private landline.

So Bond goes investigating on his own, plot and twists ensue, imagine thrills and action. Sooner or later the CIA and Leiter have to help him out, Bond can convince Felix he's really on to something, that there is a real threat to M. Together they meet M just after he had one of these daunting execution protocols again, a bit of cleaning up after the Blofeld business. M and Bond talk a bit shop, Bond mentions the name Bunt he came across, M promises to be careful and take the Bunt matter seriously, then sends Bond back to Madeleine again, not without offering a post at a desk beforehand, since the drone00s are such a stellar success.

Bond says he'll think about it, perhaps he's not yet tired enough for early retirement. M mentions that the work of killing is now done by younger men on the spot, instead of personnel from HQ. Bond answers in that case he probably won't take M's offer, since he's used to doing his dirty work himself.

Bond get's back home, finding his house deserted, a note from Madeleine telling him she's with a friend she met by chance, an old acquaintance of her father, a woman named Bunt. Bond is rightfully alarmed. When he gets to the address it seems this Bunt woman had terribly bad luck since her rented bungalow just burned down to ashes with her inside. Since there is no trace of Madeleine Bond fears the worst. The police take hair samples and medical records from their house. And the coroner pronounces the charred body that of Madeleine.

Bond suspects Blofeld behind it all and talks to him face to face, only Blofeld denies having had any role in it. Instead, he urges Bond to look for somebody in the SIS with a preference for 'accidental' deaths.

Final frame is Bond sitting across the table from M. M is quite happy Bond changed his mind on his offer, he has lots of use for him. Bond reaches inside his jacket.

'James Bond will return'


Afterthought: last frame after the end titles are through is a shot of Bunt and Madeleine, both alive...

[SecretAgentFan]

Intriguing.

 

In any event, after the explosion of Blofeld´s base and his presumed death Bond does mention to M that the members of Spectre will definitely continue to go ahead with their plans.  And since C´s initiative to close the 00-section led to treason, it´s rather clear that the 00-section will continue.  The only question remains: how will Bond get back?  And will Madeleine still be in his life at that time?

[Harmsway]

Great scenario. It could be done without the death of Madeleine, necessarily - Bond is resigned to being "Bond" the licenced assassin, and they have to go their separate ways.

To an extent, yeah. But it wouldn't have the same emotional resonance.

[DaveBond21]

 

Great scenario. It could be done without the death of Madeleine, necessarily - Bond is resigned to being "Bond" the licenced assassin, and they have to go their separate ways.

To an extent, yeah. But it wouldn't have the same emotional resonance.

 

 

Bond is in love with her after one night in Tangier and one night on a train?

 

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