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[thecasinoroyale]

Nothing needs to be said on how perfect Dalton fits this film.

[Vauxhall]

That's superb. The best I've seen.

[tdalton]

It's a shame that we can't get this film. Dalton vs. Blofeld/SPECTRE would have been fantastic.

I'd also have to say, obvious biases aside, this is easily the best of this series of SPECTRE trailers.

[thecasinoroyale]

I totally agree. Bias again BUT everything works for him here - the tone, the sequences he's blended with, the coldness.

He really was Craig's 007 19 years earlier. Even the gunshots are perfectly timed and the one at the end leading to the logo is genius.

[Yellow Pinky]

That's exquisite!  Thanks for sharing!

[Hockey Mask]

Dalton...bleh.

[thecasinoroyale]

Get out of this thread 00Hockey Mask! For shaaaaaaaaame.

[Messervy]

Bloody excellent! Thanks for sharing.
Dalton definitely was an exquisitely Fleming Bond.

[Gay Bond]

Wow, excellent - even better than the Brozzers one.

I feel like watching a Dalton film now.

[Hockey Mask]

Get out of this thread 00Hockey Mask! For shaaaaaaaaame.

I'll see myself out.

[Agent 76]

Wow that was tremendous! terrific work, kudos to the author.

 

If only we had had a third 007 movie with Dalton. one can dream

 

 

And I agree with @tdalton, a Timothy Dalton as 007 against S.P.E.C.T.R.E would've been exquisite.

[dtuba]

Awesome work!! Really well done....My alternative reality Bond film is Dalton in OHMSS, this is as close as we'll probably get to seeing that. 

[thecasinoroyale]

Even re-watching this helps slightly, but still makes me long for that 3rd film he never had. Dalton deserved an organisation like SPECTRE to go up against. His theme with Smiert Spionam was superb in 'TLD' and really had that edge, but sadly didn't really come to much in the end.

[Thevan7F]

It look great. I remember in The Living Daylights his Aston Martin convertible turns in to saloon. They should put I taken the Aston for spin & what he say to the villain the 4 letter word you full of it.

[billy007]

I've said it before and I'll say it again- Craig owes a lot to Dalton.

Dalton did his research by re-reading Fleming.

With regrets the average 007 fan is a movie fan and not a literary fan.

The general movie public was not ready for a film version of Fleming in the mid-late 1980's.

If Dalton had been able to a third movie it would have been perfect.

Since each actor's third movie was his best.

Sir Sean - Goldfinger   The blue print for the whole franchise then,now and tomorrow.

Sir Roger. SWLM     Demonstrated that he could act, be the playboy and at same time be the killer.

Pierce     TWINE....."I never miss".  BANG!.  then hugs Electra good-bye. and the Pre-title sequence was worthy of Goldfinger.

Daniel.    SKYFALL.    All the elements needed,all portrayals accurate, and best homage to classic 007 combined with contemporary settings.

[sharpshooter]

I've said it before and I'll say it again- Craig owes a lot to Dalton.

I think by infusing the charm of Connery, Craig has made elements of Dalton's portrayal mainstream. 

[Guy Haines]

I think this is the best of the SPECTRE "might have been" trailers.

Craig is his own Bond, although there are nods in the direction of Connery and the Bond of the books on his part. But the change of direction started with Dalton, who as billy007 points out did his homework about Fleming's Bond.

One could argue that Dalton was a Bond ahead of his time - by going back in time! Those of us who enjoyed the Fleming novels could see what Dalton was trying to do but again as mentioned above the image of Bond for most people was formed on film - it took almost twenty years, up to 2006 and Craig's first film, for Dalton's ambition of a "book based Bond" to finally grip the paying public's imagination, through Craig's portrayal.

[trevanian]

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again- Craig owes a lot to Dalton.

I think by infusing the charm of Connery, Craig has made elements of Dalton's portrayal mainstream. 

 

That's the point-of-view I find most confusing. Even smarmy Moore had some sliver of charm and appeal, but Craig (as Bond) is just a total grind, with less appeal even than Lazenby (who I think perhaps would have been a perfect Count Lippe, going by the Fleming book description of same.)

 

Dalton had the charm of being human, which is anti-Connery in a way, but equally appealing (for me anyway.)

[hoagy]

Cannot possible agree that Craig is a "grind."

 

Beyond that, Dalton's efforts suffered for several reasons, not the least of which:  Fleming's Bond engaged in introspection and consideration of his own self and his world, surely, but he also projected strength and confidence.  Dalton's attempt to capture that came off in his first film did not come off well.  (As for his second film, it was a run-of-the-mill drugs-and-cops story that may as well have been a TV show -- not a modern one, but a broadcast network TV show of the day.  It was dull, unoriginal and boring. Not his fault, but it affected how fans received him.)  One moment, in particular, communicated his attempt very poorly:  When he returns to the room, plan in mind, ready to proceed without the lady he's quite with, he stands in the manner of an uncertain teenage boy, near pigeon-toed.  The pre-title sequence was terrific, full of confidence and a Bondian appetite for action, danger and comfort in the lap of luxury with a lovely lady having survived another dangerous episode.  It was downhill from there.

Had the scripts been more interesting, Dalton may have gotten a third shot off.  Unfortunately, back then, they were cranking them out, regardless of whether they had something remarkable to present.  (At this point -- please spare me a reference to QOS, which suffered from the writer's strike.  Even QOS is more interesting and exciting than either TLD or LTK.)

 

For all these reasons, I cannot share your enthusiasm about (a younger) Dalton in a film like SPECTRE.  When non-fans of Dalton respond with "meh", I can understand.  It was, frankly, the movie-going public's response to him when the two films came out.

[trevanian]

I've seen LTK a number of times and can't picture the 'near pigeon-toed' moment at all, though that 'uncertain teenage boy' descrip DOES encapsulate what I find as a HUGE failing in CR, when Craig seems desperate in his plaintive attempt to pick up Solange beside the DB5. It was like watching the old TJ HOOKER where Shatner is trying to get Lisa Hartman to go on a date with him, but minus the self-deprecating laugh.

 

If I WERE to reference QUANTUM, it wouldn't be in the vein you suggest, as that film has the only good Bond moments so far this century, with the opera and especially the Russian coda.

 

There IS a lack of sexual charisma in Dalton's Bond, but I don't see it evidenced in much else of his work (the opposite, in fact), so that I lay at the feet of his director, who most definitely did not serve Dalton well in either outing ... I find the two films succeed in a variety of ways, but usually in spite of JG, not directly because of him.

[seawolfnyy]

Not everything works, but certainly enjoyable, especially the second half.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Well done! 

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

I've said it before and I'll say it again- Craig owes a lot to Dalton.

Dalton did his research by re-reading Fleming.

With regrets the average 007 fan is a movie fan and not a literary fan.

The general movie public was not ready for a film version of Fleming in the mid-late 1980's.

If Dalton had been able to a third movie it would have been perfect.

Since each actor's third movie was his best.

Sir Sean - Goldfinger   The blue print for the whole franchise then,now and tomorrow.

Sir Roger. SWLM     Demonstrated that he could act, be the playboy and at same time be the killer.

Pierce     TWINE....."I never miss".  BANG!.  then hugs Electra good-bye. and the Pre-title sequence was worthy of Goldfinger.

Daniel.    SKYFALL.    All the elements needed,all portrayals accurate, and best homage to classic 007 combined with contemporary settings.

I’m sorry, but as much as I love Dalton performance in TLD, I still don’t think he would have fitted well in a film like SP. This movie has several moments of comedy, and we all know that Dalton doesn’t look comfortable playing that.

Besides, I don’t share your theory at all, regarding that the third Bond movie is the actor's best. Perhaps, I could agree with that in the case of Moore with TSWLM (in strong completion with FYEO), but almost no-one says that TWINE is Brosnan’s best. And whereas GF and SF are very popular, most critics and fans regard FRWL and CR as their best from Connery and Craig, respectively.

[Hockey Mask]

Bond fans may think FRWL is Connerys best but I would say most critics by far would say GF.

Edited by 00Hockey Mask, 28 October 2015 - 07:58 PM.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Bond fans may think FRWL is Connerys best but I would say most critics by far would say GF.

I could say that this supposed consensus have started to change with the times (actually in rottentomatoes.com both movies has 96%). But even with that case in doubt, CR is still regarded by most as the better one from Craig yet (in that same site has 95%, whereas SF has 93%, and in imdb the former has 8.0 while the latter 7.8). And I think there’s no case to argue that TWINE could be seen by many as the best from Brosnan.

[seawolfnyy]

TWINE certainly has it's fans, but it needed more polish and feels like the odd one out of Brosnan's films. It's certainly better than DAD, but TWINE tried to be more classic, cerebral Bond as opposed to Brosnan's other three. It didn't really work out and the result was the CGI-saturated, crap-fest that was Die Another Day.

[HoneyDiamond]

Hehe, that was great.  I definitely see Dalton and Craig as playing the same guy. 

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

Excellent work. I liked the few clips of Dalton that aged 25 years.

[Pam Bouvier]

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!  As much as I like Craig, Dalton has always been my favorite.  As has been said before, Dalton was ahead of his time...the true Fleming Bond.  Such a shame his run with the role was cut so short.  

 

After seeing your video I sorely wish he was the lead in SPECTRE. So much goes on with his expressions and overall manner.  Dalton IS Bond.

 

Thank you so much for posting the video...such a treat to watch.

[bribond]

The best of the trailers of SPECTRE with the other Bond actors.  Well done!