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[seawolfnyy]

I'm thinking that since Blood Stone's sequel got scrapped and the storyline was left unresolved, could it be retconned that the man Nicole Hunter was actually working for was Blofeld? This would then make her an agent of SPECTRE and continue the single overarching storyline of the Craig era.

[bond_azoozbond]

Yes indeed .. I always felt that Bloodstone story was after QOS .. Now with the Craig era all connected.. We can assume that SPECTRE could be behind the events ..

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

That's how I see it as well. Nicole even says "he's everywhere", just like White in the trailer. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out once SPECTRE is released.

[tdalton]

It doesn't need to be retconned.  BloodStone is a standalone story that is in no way canonical to the film series.  

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

May not be official canon but that doesn't change how some choose to view it. For me Blood Stone is one of the adventures that occurred between QOS and SF. That's just how I view it. To each their own.

[mrmoon]

It doesn't need to be retconned. BloodStone is a standalone story that is in no way canonical to the film series.

Agreed. It's a standalone piece of work. If people want to imagine it falls into the DC cinematic universe, cool, but it's not canon.

[tdalton]

It doesn't need to be retconned. BloodStone is a standalone story that is in no way canonical to the film series.

Agreed. It's a standalone piece of work. If people want to imagine it falls into the DC cinematic universe, cool, but it's not canon.

Agreed. People can choose to think of it however they want, but that alone doesn't make it part of the Craig era timeline.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

 

 

It doesn't need to be retconned. BloodStone is a standalone story that is in no way canonical to the film series.

Agreed. It's a standalone piece of work. If people want to imagine it falls into the DC cinematic universe, cool, but it's not canon.

 

Agreed. People can choose to think of it however they want, but that alone doesn't make it part of the Craig era timeline.

 

 

Why spoil the fun of those that do? If you write off Blood Stone that's fine but there's nothing stopping the discussion once SPECTRE is released.

[tdalton]

Not spoiling anyone's fun. Just because my opinion differs from others in the thread doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express it.

If my comments are spoiling anyone's fun then people are putting too much stock in my comments, especially considering the general consensus of the forum is that I don't know what I'm talking about half (or more) of the time.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Not spoiling anyone's fun. Just because my opinion differs from others in the thread doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express it.

If my comments are spoiling anyone's fun then people are putting too much stock in my comments, especially considering the general consensus of the forum is that I don't know what I'm talking about half (or more) of the time.

 

Well maybe it's because we've both been here for a while and I remember you from back in day when CR was gearing up for release, even the whole script review stuff(remember that?), maybe I do respect and value your opinions I just happen to whole-heartdly disagree with you in this case.

 

It's only a video game but since you say it's opinion I guess it's debatable whether Blood Stone is canon or not. At the least I'd say it's soft canon, take it or leave it. That said I am expecting SPECTRE to fill in a few blanks. 

[mrmoon]

Not spoiling anyone's fun. Just because my opinion differs from others in the thread doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express it.

If my comments are spoiling anyone's fun then people are putting too much stock in my comments, especially considering the general consensus of the forum is that I don't know what I'm talking about half (or more) of the time.

Well maybe it's because we've both been here for a while and I remember you from back in day when CR was gearing up for release, even the whole script review stuff(remember that?), maybe I do respect and value your opinions I just happen to whole-heartdly disagree with you in this case.

It's only a video game but since you say it's opinion I guess it's debatable whether Blood Stone is canon or not. At the least I'd say it's soft canon, take it or leave it. That said I am expecting SPECTRE to fill in a few blanks.

It's not canon, period. But no one is stopping anyone having fun by pretending it is.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

 

 

Not spoiling anyone's fun. Just because my opinion differs from others in the thread doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express it.

If my comments are spoiling anyone's fun then people are putting too much stock in my comments, especially considering the general consensus of the forum is that I don't know what I'm talking about half (or more) of the time.

Well maybe it's because we've both been here for a while and I remember you from back in day when CR was gearing up for release, even the whole script review stuff(remember that?), maybe I do respect and value your opinions I just happen to whole-heartdly disagree with you in this case.

It's only a video game but since you say it's opinion I guess it's debatable whether Blood Stone is canon or not. At the least I'd say it's soft canon, take it or leave it. That said I am expecting SPECTRE to fill in a few blanks.

It's not canon, period. But no one is stopping anyone having fun by pretending it is.

 

 

Just like how one can pretend something like Trigger Mortis is canon, or anything else from the expanded universe of Bond. I find it funny to say pretend when we're talking about a fictional secret agent/assassin. There's nothing to contradict the events of Blood Stone didn't happen between QoS and SF. It's an original story by Bruce Feirstein, we have Craig, Dench and Kinnear . There's nothing to say the events didn't happen, so it's soft canon as far as Craig's adventures go. I feel It'll fit nicely into the overall arc once SPECTRE is released. On that note we'll see how this plays after November...

 

https://youtu.be/d30P80ndZSY

[mrmoon]

 

 

 

Not spoiling anyone's fun. Just because my opinion differs from others in the thread doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express it.

If my comments are spoiling anyone's fun then people are putting too much stock in my comments, especially considering the general consensus of the forum is that I don't know what I'm talking about half (or more) of the time.

Well maybe it's because we've both been here for a while and I remember you from back in day when CR was gearing up for release, even the whole script review stuff(remember that?), maybe I do respect and value your opinions I just happen to whole-heartdly disagree with you in this case.

It's only a video game but since you say it's opinion I guess it's debatable whether Blood Stone is canon or not. At the least I'd say it's soft canon, take it or leave it. That said I am expecting SPECTRE to fill in a few blanks.

It's not canon, period. But no one is stopping anyone having fun by pretending it is.

 

 

Just like how one can pretend something like Trigger Mortis is canon, or anything else from the expanded universe of Bond. I find it funny to say pretend when we're talking about a fictional secret agent/assassin. There's nothing to contradict the events of Blood Stone didn't happen between QoS and SF. It's an original story by Bruce Feirstein, we have Craig, Dench and Kinnear . There's nothing to say the events didn't happen, so it's soft canon as far as Craig's adventures go. I feel It'll fit nicely into the overall arc once SPECTRE is released. On that note we'll see how this plays after November...

 

https://youtu.be/d30P80ndZSY

 

 

I guess the point we're trying to make is that, unlike the other 23 movies that precede SPECTRE, Bloodstone can't and won't be referenced in the cinematic canon. The events, nor the characters have any official import in the cinematic Craig era. It's a standalone piece of work that can be built into the Craig arc if one wants to fantasize about it, but waiting for November to see 'how it plays out' makes zero sense. It won't play out.

 

I'd actually be surprised if Babs and Michael could tell you the name of a single character or event presented in the game.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

[mrmoon]

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

 

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

 

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

 

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

 

 

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

[mrmoon]

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

Apologies if this seems blunt, but you've kind of forced my hand. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land, but by all means knock yourself out. Think it's time for me to skip this topic. Crazy talk.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

 

 

 

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

Apologies if this seems blunt, but you've kind of forced my hand. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land, but by all means knock yourself out. Think it's time for me to skip this topic. Crazy talk.

 

 

I may disagree from time to time but I don't go around calling people crazy for how they choose to view the various continuities between the various films and stories. I think skipping this topic for you is the best.

[mrmoon]

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

Apologies if this seems blunt, but you've kind of forced my hand. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land, but by all means knock yourself out. Think it's time for me to skip this topic. Crazy talk.

I may disagree from time to time but I don't go around calling people crazy for how they choose to view the various continuities between the various films and stories. I think skipping this topic for you is the best.

Hey, I didn't call you crazy. Just said it was 'crazy talk'. Initially I thought this was a jocular discussion about the very, very loose (at times non-existent) continuity across the Bond-verse. I had no idea you were seriously implying there could be a conscious link between Blood Stone and SPECTRE. I just find it flabbergasting. In those circumstances the burden of proof is on you my friend. If you can find evidence suggesting this is even a slither more than just pure fanboy fantasy I will happily eat humble pie.

[Karloff]

 

 

 

 

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

Apologies if this seems blunt, but you've kind of forced my hand. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land, but by all means knock yourself out. Think it's time for me to skip this topic. Crazy talk.

 

 

I may disagree from time to time but I don't go around calling people crazy for how they choose to view the various continuities between the various films and stories. I think skipping this topic for you is the best.

 

This discussion reminds me of the thread about the canonicity of the continuation novels. The questions discussed are practically the same: "Can this book/game be counted as canon?"

IMO, all pieces of art - film, literature, games etc - are open for interpretation. And the value of this interpretation doesn't depend on whether or not the author/filmmaker/gamemaker may agree with it or not. For example, the historian James Chapman interprets the Bond novels as "a nationalist fantasy in which Britain’s decline as a world power did not really take place." Now, Fleming may not have agreed with this interpretation, but that does not make it invalid or untrue. The same goes for the sexism and racism. Fleming didn't intend to come of as a racist in LALD - but IMO he did.  

 

The same thing can be said about whether or not Blood Stone should be seen as part of the Craig era canon. Agent Spriggan Ominae's interpretation is that it should. mrmoon's interpretation is that it shouldn't. Both are valid interpretations and none of them more true than the other. Because, as  Agent Spriggan pointed out, there is not really any point of talking about "pretending" when we are discussing works of fiction. 

 

For my part, I think it's rather far fetched to believe that Wilson/Broccoli/Mendes would consciously include an Easter egg or reference to Blood Stone in SPECTRE. But if there is some lines of dialog or other aspects of the film that could be interpreted as references (we already have the "He's everywhere" line), there is nothing wrong with seeing and interpreting them as such. Even if that wasn't the intentions of the filmmakers. You may not make the same interpretation and one could argue how well founded an interpretation is. But saying "It isn't canon, but you can pretend that it is" to me sounds derogatory. And it also shows a lack of knowledge of what fiction really is. 

 

Fiction and all form of art is what happens when the audience meets the artwork. That is why communities and forums like these exists - because we all have had experiences with the Bond phenomena that we want to share. We want to hear about other peoples experiences of watching the films, reading the books. Why? Because we want to hear each others interpretations. If there was only one interpretation that was correct, there would be no need for discussion. And there would be no fan culture at all.

 

EDIT: And therefore there is no "burden of proof". We are talking about different opinions of how to interpret a video game. Not the existence of God! 

Edited by Karloff, 21 September 2015 - 07:36 PM.

[mrmoon]

 

 

 

 

 

I'll wait until I see the finished film before saying there won't be some kind of easter egg, perhaps there are a few in SPECTRE as far as some of themes and threads raised in the Blood Stone ending. Maybe I already know certain things and am pleased. As far as Babs and Michael sometimes they surprise even me with the stuff that they forget in interviews and the like. Like you said said if one wants to link the Craig Adventures into a soft or loose canon, they are free to do so. Perhaps something will play out come November.

You genuinely think there will be a Blood Stone easter egg in SPECTRE?

That's kind of a tricky question to answer right now. Yes and no. Blood Stone ends on a cliffhanger with Nicole saying that her employer was "rich and powerful, He's everywhere, watching us now, bigger than MI6". We never find out who that was but it does sound like someone and some things from SPCTRE or how it reads to me. Now were they intentionally thinking about the end of Blood Stone while scripting SPECTRE? Probably not but like I said certain things fit nicely with the end of the Blood Stone game. It could be coincidence. I know Greg Wilson was involved with the games and Craig even said he liked playing them also I believe, so maybe there was something in the back of their mind. Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. That's just how I view it.

Apologies if this seems blunt, but you've kind of forced my hand. I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land, but by all means knock yourself out. Think it's time for me to skip this topic. Crazy talk.

 

 

I may disagree from time to time but I don't go around calling people crazy for how they choose to view the various continuities between the various films and stories. I think skipping this topic for you is the best.

 

This discussion reminds me of the thread about the canonicity of the continuation novels. The questions discussed are practically the same: "Can this book/game be counted as canon?"

IMO, all pieces of art - film, literature, games etc - are open for interpretation. And the value of this interpretation doesn't depend on whether or not the author/filmmaker/gamemaker may agree with it or not. For example, the historian James Chapman interprets the Bond novels as "a nationalist fantasy in which Britain’s decline as a world power did not really take place." Now, Fleming may not have agreed with this interpretation, but that does not make it invalid or untrue. The same goes for the sexism and racism. Fleming didn't intend to come of as a racist in LALD - but IMO he did.  

 

The same thing can be said about whether or not Blood Stone should be seen as part of the Craig era canon. Agent Spriggan Ominae's interpretation is that it should. mrmoon's interpretation is that it shouldn't. Both are valid interpretations and none of them more true than the other. Because, as  Agent Spriggan pointed out, there is not really any point of talking about "pretending" when we are discussing works of fiction. 

 

For my part, I think it's rather far fetched to believe that Wilson/Broccoli/Mendes would consciously include an Easter egg or reference to Blood Stone in SPECTRE. But if there is some lines of dialog or other aspects of the film that could be interpreted as references (we already have the "He's everywhere" line), there is nothing wrong with seeing and interpreting them as such. Even if that wasn't the intentions of the filmmakers. You may not make the same interpretation and one could argue how well founded an interpretation is. But saying "It isn't canon, but you can pretend that it is" to me sounds derogatory. And it also shows a lack of knowledge of what fiction really is. 

 

Fiction and all form of art is what happens when the audience meets the artwork. That is why communities and forums like these exists - because we all have had experiences with the Bond phenomena that we want to share. We want to hear about other peoples experiences of watching the films, reading the books. Why? Because we want to hear each others interpretations. If there was only one interpretation that was correct, there would be no need for discussion. And there would be no fan culture at all.

 

EDIT: And therefore there is no "burden of proof". We are talking about different opinions of how to interpret a video game. Not the existence of God! 

 

 

Great post @Karloff and I agree with what you're saying, but perhaps I should clarify my position in case it's been misinterpreted. For me the EON films are what I consider official cinematic 'canon' (It's a slightly different kettle of fish with Fleming and will change if/when EON lose the copyright) but I don't believe for a minute that EON will consciously reference Blood Stone in SPECTRE. However, if people want to draw comparisons that's their choice. It would need EON to confirm it was 'canon', for me to buy it. Anything else is conjecture imo. I think there's a much stronger argument to say that CR, QoS and SF will influence SP, than there is to suggest BS will. But if Nicole Hunter turns up...

[Karloff]

Well, I essentially agree with your interpenetration, mrmoon.

I also view the EON films as canon and everything else a semi-canon, soft canon or not canon at all. For example, I don't see NSNA as part of the "real" Bond timeline. I mean, what are the odds that the exact same events happen to Bond twice, eh? And what - is Maximilian Largo Emilio's younger brother? But if there is a Bond fan out there who sees NSNA as part of the real series - fine. It's not an interpretation I agree with, but I can't say that he/she is wrong. The same goes for the Code Name Theory. It really annoys the hell out of me, but if someone else likes that interpretation of the series - fine. I think that the theory is full of inconsistencies, but so is my interpretation of the Bond films as well (how can Bond look like a 57 year old Roger Moore in one film and like a 40 year old welshman in the next one and still be the same person?). So, there are logical holes in all interpretations.

 

I don't believe EON sees Blood Stone as anything more than a piece of obsolete merchandise. And I think than any links to the game in SPECTRE would be purely coincidental and I wouldn't read anything to big into them. But if someone else (e.g. Agent Spriggan) has another way of viewing it, that's up to him. It's his interpretation, which I may disagree with. But that doesn't mean that I'm right and he's wrong.   

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Thank you Karloff. Fiction is open to interpretation. Just because my view of Craig's timeline is different doesn't mean I'm living in "cloud cuckoo land" as mr.moon suggests. And never did I outright say I thought Blood Stone was official canon, only ever been trying to make the case that if one so chooses they could see BS as kinda of an in-between mission that happened after QoS and before SF. That's what I meant by soft, or loose canon. As far as SPECTRE goes, there are some coincidences which I also said were probably that. Because of these coincidences I speculated that maybe someone could have had BS on the back of their minds but that's not likely. Hence when I said "Will there be a genuine Blood Stone easter egg? Probably no but they give us enough so if one chooses to see it that way, they could. " 

 

However that doesn't change the fact that there are elements in SPECTRE, whether intentional or not, which do tie up some of the loose threads left at the end of BS rather nicely. So if one like myself wants view all 5 stories as one arc, there's nothing stopping me from doing so. However that will be much easier to discuss once SPECTRE is released.  

[mrmoon]

Well, I essentially agree with your interpenetration, mrmoon.

I also view the EON films as canon and everything else a semi-canon, soft canon or not canon at all. For example, I don't see NSNA as part of the "real" Bond timeline. I mean, what are the odds that the exact same events happen to Bond twice, eh? And what - is Maximilian Largo Emilio's younger brother? But if there is a Bond fan out there who sees NSNA as part of the real series - fine. It's not an interpretation I agree with, but I can't say that he/she is wrong. The same goes for the Code Name Theory. It really annoys the hell out of me, but if someone else likes that interpretation of the series - fine. I think that the theory is full of inconsistencies, but so is my interpretation of the Bond films as well (how can Bond look like a 57 year old Roger Moore in one film and like a 40 year old welshman in the next one and still be the same person?). So, there are logical holes in all interpretations.

 

I don't believe EON sees Blood Stone as anything more than a piece of obsolete merchandise. And I think than any links to the game in SPECTRE would be purely coincidental and I wouldn't read anything to big into them. But if someone else (e.g. Agent Spriggan) has another way of viewing it, that's up to him. It's his interpretation, which I may disagree with. But that doesn't mean that I'm right and he's wrong.   

 

Precisely - there are logical hole in all interpretations, hence looking for a sense of logic is somewhat futile. It will continue, it's just the way EON choose to produce the films. The whole 'how can a 57 year old be 40 in the next film?' is irrelevant to me. The films are a prism through which we view the adventures of 007. Each differing in its own way. We peer through it and we see 007 looking like George Lazenby in a world where he falls in love, we tilt the prism and we see that actually Roger Moore is 007 and he drives a Lotus Esprit... some films reference others, but they can cherry pick from the Bond smorgasbord, at will, when the mood takes them. There is no universal through-line or continuity, I believe it's just snapshots at different periods of time and of reinterpretations of the same man. Granted the DC films are aiming for more of a through-line, but even that is a retconned mini-timeline which is part of a collective snapshot.

 

As for the codename theory, I have to disagree on that. James Bond is one man, period. 

[Orion]

I'd say you can take it either way. Though EON have never cared that much about cannon with subsequent films often blindly contradicting what came before, only to say the one before now is cannon (hello You Only Live Twice, OHMSS and Diamonds Are Forever). Notice how Quantum was completely done, until if course it wasn't. Perhaps some days EON consider Bloodstone and Goldeneye Reloaded to have happened in the context of the Craig era, and that Everything Or Nothing is the final adventure of the Brosnan Bond, others they may not give a toss. Personally I'm going to say she was talking about Spectre at the end, just so I can feel the loose end has been dealt with when it otherwise never will (as indeed it officially wont)

[seawolfnyy]

That makes sense. Obviously, we're all free to decide to ourselves what's canon and what isn't. Personally, I do think that Blood Stone and Goldeneye 2010 take place between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall. I think, in this case, it can be believed that Nicole was talking about SPECTRE at the end. Or the other possibility is that Blood Stone takes place before Goldeneye and she was actually talking about Trevelyan. Either way, this topic is just meant to be something fun to talk about and not a shouting match as others have turned it into. This, as well as the thread I started about the the canonicity of the continuation novels, were just supposed to be fun topics as I was interested to see how everyone else felt when reading or playing them. However, it has once again affirmed my thought of how petty people on these forums are. There are no right or wrong answers in this discussion and yet people continually denounce others' opinions here and I've pretty much had it.

[Jim]

It does seem an odd thing to have generated such ire.

 

It's all fictional.

[Orion]

In which case let's turn it back round again.

 

Certainly in my mind Bloodstone and Goldeneye Reloaded happened, part of the six years he spent as a 00 agent. Bloodstone remained a "cold case" in MI6 files, possibly passed on to a lower tier agent as (as a wise man once said) Bond's licence to kill is useless without a target.

[mrmoon]

It does seem an odd thing to have generated such ire.

It's all fictional.

I think it stems from people being fixated by continuity. Continuity in the Bond-verse is like religion. If you suggest to some people there is no genuine logical continuity you're greeted with, 'If I want to believe it, I will believe it!' Reminds me very much of God botherers. Once you accept that searching for continuity is a mugs game, the crippling weight of it will evaporate.

Tongue firmly in cheek.

[sharpshooter]

Blood Stone isn't canon, but I like to think it happened between QoS and SF. But that's about it.