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#1 Vauxhall

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 12:54 AM

This is probably opening up the proverbial can of worms even further, but as it's one of the most debated couple of seconds of the trailer, let's give it a go...

"You came across me so many times, yet you never saw me..."

Who says it?

If nothing else, we can at least preserve the thread for bragging rights come release time.

#2 tdalton

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 02:37 AM

I'm not familiar with Andrew Scott at all, so I can't say that I think it's him because of any familiarity I have with him, but it doesn't sound like Christoph Waltz to me.  The lines of dailogue on either side of it are very clearly Waltz speaking, though.

 

I will say, though, that just as a bit of speculation, I think whoever is speaking this line is "Blofeld".  They've gone to great lengths to say that Waltz isn't Blofeld, but then they turn around and put him in a couple of very Blofeld-esque moments (head of the table in SPECTRE meeting, the jacket he's wearing in the new trailer).  These Blofeld moments they've given Waltz thus far, though, are so on the nose that it just doesn't mesh with their denials that he isn't Blofeld.  I think either they've been telling the truth and they're settting everyone up for a "twist" when it's revealed someone else is Blofeld or they're just not that good at keeping secrets over there at EON (which might be the case since we knew long before they stopped denying it that Harris was playing Moneypenny in Skyfall).



#3 graric

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 02:57 AM

Being familliar through Scott's work in Sherlock (and seeing him in a couple of other things like Pride)- that line jumped out instantly to me as sounding like Scott.

(The tone, and the way he delievered the line are very close to his Moriarty.)

(And I agree, I haven't read any of the leaks, but I would guess that the Blofeld referenes are so on the nose with Waltz that it would seem far too obvious for Waltz to be Blofeld.)



#4 sharpshooter

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 03:07 AM

My guess is Oberhauser.



#5 Krilencu

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 05:02 AM

BTW Is this line in the script? I looked thruogh it yesterday, but couldn't find the line.

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 07:08 AM

I've not heard Scott talk before, but going from the depth, pitch and accent of Waltz seconds before, this sounds too different, and it's probably brilliant juxtaposed to make us hear it's Waltz, when in reality it's big bad Scott.

#7 Shrublands

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 07:10 AM

It's Waltz, no question in my mind.



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Posted 24 July 2015 - 07:11 AM

Pick your side - #TeamWaltz or #TeamScott :P

#9 stromberg

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 07:45 AM

For me it's crystal clear that it's Waltz who says the line. The slightly different sound indicates that it's from a different scene as the sentences before and after.

 

I never even got the idea that it could be someone else before this discussion started. I clearly recognize Waltz' way of slightly over-pronouncing (he does that in German, too) with that barely noticable German-Austrian sing-song accent. I've also explained in the other thread that the use of the German word "Du" for "You" in the German version indicates that it's a conversation between old friends or family. No way this would be used in a conversation between M and Denbigh or Bond and Denbigh (and anything else wouldn't make sense at all).

 

Also, people have analyzed this in various foreign language versions of the trailer, yet no one is able to tell from any of these wether it's Waltz or Scott. The voices sound similar in all other versions? Shouldn't there at least be one or two in which they should clearly be distinguishable from one another? Or did they manage to find similar sounding dubbing actors in every other language? Highly unlikely. It's always the same voice: Christoph Waltz.



#10 Jim

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 07:59 AM

 

Also, people have analyzed this in various foreign language versions of the trailer, yet no one is able to tell from any of these wether it's Waltz or Scott. The voices sound similar in all other versions? Shouldn't there at least be one or two in which they should clearly be distinguishable from one another? Or did they manage to find similar sounding dubbing actors in every other language? Highly unlikely. It's always the same voice: Christoph Waltz.

 

Yes but it might not be economically justifiable / sensible / credible to hire two different actors to dub a two-and-a-half-minute trailer into a different language simply to cohere with (the possibility it is) two actors in the master version. Most real people will only watch it once and I can barely make anything out over the row, anyway.

 

I have no view either way, really - I can sort of hear both of them. It might be both of them, fiendishly merged to annoy us / keep message boards aflame until the next thing comes along. Distracts us from discussing quite how upset Ralph Feinnes sounds.

 

Line'll probably be edited out of the final film, anyway. It doesn't make that much sense, unless we get a five minute flashback sequence of [whoever it is] edited into scenes from the preceding three films. Who's that, there, in the Opera audience. Why, it's [x]. And there, in the Macau casino - it's him again, however did I miss him? Oh look, just there, walking around Venice, that's definitely him.

 

I'm not advocating that, by the way.



#11 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 08:10 AM

 

I've also explained in the other thread that the use of the German word "Du" for "You" in the German version indicates that it's a conversation between old friends or family. No way this would be used in a conversation between M and Denbigh or Bond and Denbigh (and anything else wouldn't make sense at all).

 

 

Kudos.  This actually nails it for me that it must be Oberhauser.



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Posted 24 July 2015 - 08:20 AM

It's Waltz!

 

It's his voice.

Just listen to the german language trailer.

It's Waltz speaking his own part in german aswell:

 

https://youtu.be/Z2J5dq8QmT0?t=1m28s

 

Absolutely no doubt about that.



#13 Krilencu

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 10:06 AM

German trailer is just dubbed

#14 stromberg

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 10:58 AM

German trailer is just dubbed

Yes, it's dubbed. But Waltz' lines are dubbed by himself, and they certainly wouldn't have him say anyone else's lines just because he's there and at it, anyway, and they can save 20 bucks with that because they don't have to pay Marius Clarén (Scott's German voice, also does Toby Maguire and Jake Gyllenhaal).

#15 Matt_13

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 11:23 AM

I really think it sounds like Scott. As others have said it can go either way, but to me it has enough of what I've grown used to hearing from Scott for me to be sure it's him.

#16 Shrublands

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 04:06 PM

I really find this bamboozling - It's obviously Waltz.

The recording has a slightly different tone because two bits have been edited together, but it sounds exactly like Waltz.



#17 The Dove

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 04:29 PM

By jove, I  think I have it! *snaps fingers* It's obviously Waltz's voice for the "Hello James..." line, then he switches on a voicebox disguiser unit, ala Diamonds Are Forever for the rest of it... There..done... "Well that's a neat trick!" :P



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Posted 24 July 2015 - 06:47 PM

As I said in the other thread, this probably has Eon laughing their heads off.  Here's what I think: I've not read any of the leaked material, but know enough from reading the spoiler section to question Denbeigh's allegiance to the good guys.  The line "you came across me so many times, yet never saw me" could easily be him talking to "M" before their confrontation scene in the trailer. I'm sticking with that until proven otherwise.



#19 Vauxhall

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 11:28 PM

I like that idea.

Funnily enough, I showed the trailer this evening to a friend who doesn't know anything about the film and has never seen SHERLOCK, but asked surprised why they would use a different actor speaking in the middle of that Waltz sequence. Proves nothing obviously, but ironic!

#20 Matt_13

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 02:37 AM

This is one of the more interesting polls we've had around here to be sure. I'm glad to see that it wasn't just me who thought it sounded like Scott. Can't wait to see who it ends up being! That said, it would be pretty funny if, as Jim joked, the line was dropped and we never found out. :P



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Posted 25 July 2015 - 10:34 AM

I think this thread is ridiculus.

 

As stromberg and myself pointed out: Why should Waltz speak the part of Scott in the german version?

And by the way: in the english version it sounds like Waltz, too.



#22 Matt_13

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 11:49 AM

It's harmless fun, like the rest of the threads. And apparently there's something to debate as shown by the poll above. Is it likely that it's Waltz from a different part of the film? Very. That said, myself and others still can't help but to hear qualities in the line that remind us of Scott, and already seeing that his allegiance is clearly in question in the film, it's not an absurd notion to think it could be him. I don't know how the dubbing is done and if, as Jim suggested, it could have been more economical to just use the same voice actor for the lines if they are in fact from different characters, but who knows? I think it's a fun debate, even if it is nonsense in the end. Guess we'll know soon enough.

#23 Vauxhall

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 11:50 AM

As stromberg and myself pointed out: Why should Waltz speak the part of Scott in the german version?

 

Or... why should Scott speak the part of Waltz in the English version? ;)

 

As Matt says, it's just a bit of fun - and the poll shows that people are split down the middle on it.


Edited by Vauxhall, 25 July 2015 - 11:50 AM.


#24 stromberg

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 01:09 PM

:D  :D  :D 

 

As I pointed out, for me the case is crystal clear. But I, too, find this discussion really funny and I like it a lot (I'm of the opinion that some people are taking all this Bond stuff way too serious, anyway).

 

BTW, I've taken the question over to the German forums. Some people don't even understand what I'm talking about. No one there can see even a remote possibility that it might be Scott....



#25 Guy Haines

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 01:22 PM

I think it is Christoph Waltz throughout. Not only because of who said it but what is said. It is another way of saying that something or someone is "hidden in plain sight". There but you can't see it. It's Oberhauser taunting Bond that for years he's been fighting an enemy he should have seen but didn't - a bit like Mr White's remark in QoS that while Quantum was worried about MI6 spying on it, in fact MI6 didn't even know Quantum existed.

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 05:59 PM

OK, I went to listen to it again so my son could hear it, and now I think they have changed or tweaked the audio.  Now it is clearly Waltz. Does anyone else think that it now sounds different?  



#27 univex

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:02 PM

Waltz, absolutely. No doubt about it. (with Fiennes voice) None!



#28 glidrose

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:58 PM

Waltz. Here's why.
 
Remember those scenes he shot on the London Bridge? Waltz had motion-capture dots on his face. People assumed that this suggested post-production CGI and that his face would be seriously disfigured. Since his face isn't disfigured in the trailer, therefore it must happen - if it does happen - somewhere during the film.

If his face is disfigured perhaps his voicebox also sustains damage, hence his voice sounds different. All the filmmakers have done is splice together dialogue from different parts of the film.

#29 Vauxhall

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Posted 26 July 2015 - 12:00 AM

OK, I went to listen to it again so my son could hear it, and now I think they have changed or tweaked the audio.  Now it is clearly Waltz. Does anyone else think that it now sounds different?

The more I listen, the more I hear Scott (or Waltz doing his best Moriarty impression...) :S

I need help...

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 12:41 PM

Waltz. Here's why.
 
Remember those scenes he shot on the London Bridge? Waltz had motion-capture dots on his face. People assumed that this suggested post-production CGI and that his face would be seriously disfigured. Since his face isn't disfigured in the trailer, therefore it must happen - if it does happen - somewhere during the film.

If his face is disfigured perhaps his voicebox also sustains damage, hence his voice sounds different. All the filmmakers have done is splice together dialogue from different parts of the film.

 

 

I still think it's not Waltz, however I love your therory!