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Is SPECTRE a direct sequel?


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#1 DCI_director

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 01:32 AM

I'm just curious...

 

Is SPECTRE suppose to be a direct sequel like QOS was for CR?  I just watched the teaser trailer and it certainly seems that way.  Has anyone from the cast or crew said that it is?  And also, from now on is every other Bond film going to be direct sequels now instead of stand alone films?  I personally prefer stand alones but I'm just curious what everyone else thinks? 



#2 tdalton

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 01:35 AM

It's supposedly continuing certain "themes" from Skyfall.

 

Does look like a direct sequel from the trailer, though. 



#3 The Shark

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 01:57 AM

Looks like it.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:01 AM

It's a whole four film series now however you want to call it.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:03 AM

Yes,  it seems like SPECTRE is attempting to tie all of Craig's films together into a single continuity. 

Interesting.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:04 AM

seems like it since the MI6 building is still damaged.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:13 AM

Yes,  it seems like SPECTRE is attempting to tie all of Craig's films together into a single continuity. 

Interesting.

 

This is probably the future of the Bond franchise. The next Bond actor will have his own mini franchise that has nothing to do with this quadrilogy, his own story arc spread over four/five films. 


Edited by dirtymind, 28 March 2015 - 02:14 AM.


#8 tdalton

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:15 AM

Hopefully they do a better job of planning those stories out if they do go that route with the next Bond actor, rather than making up film by film as they've done this time around.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:17 AM

so they're going to reboot it every decade like Spider-man has done ?   :wacko:



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:18 AM

Hopefully they do a better job of planning those stories out if they do go that route with the next Bond actor, rather than making up film by film as they've done this time around.

 

I agree. It seems like they've never really planned this quadrilogy. Casino Royale was a huge success, and that's probably the reason why they've turned QoS into a direct sequel (that and the Writer's Strike). Then Skyfall was a huge success, and now they're turning SPECTRE into a direct sequel. It doesn't feel like there was a master plan.


Edited by dirtymind, 28 March 2015 - 02:23 AM.


#11 tdalton

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:23 AM

I think it's safe to say that there absolutely was no master plan.  If there had been, they'd have moved forward with Quantum. 

 

Everything they've done has been very reactionary.  People loved CR, so they decided to build that story out into a sequel and introduce Quantum as "the organization behind Le Chiffre".  People hated QOS, so they dropped all of that story and went all Nolan/Batman with SF.  That proved successful, so they're going the QOS route again with a sequel to SF. 



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:46 AM

This is less Skyfall 2 and more Casino Royale 4.

#13 sharpshooter

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 03:19 AM

Yes,  it seems like SPECTRE is attempting to tie all of Craig's films together into a single continuity. 

Interesting.

Yes, and I don't have a problem with it. 

 

It's more or less the same template as the Connery films. FRWL mentions Doctor No, and has Sylvia Trench re-appear. Goldfinger is a separate outing devoid of SPECTRE, and then they come back in full force with TB and YOLT. 



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 03:23 AM

I have to say, I was very surprised to still see the MI6 building damaged. This seems to be taking place in very close proximity to the events in Skyfall.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:36 AM

Well said everyone. The opening shot showing that the Vauxhall building is still damaged does certainly imply that not much time has passed since SF. As sharpshooter stated, it isn't all that removed from the early Connery era, then again, they didn't foresee it taking off as it has.

 

The reboot of the series *might* just be the way of things once we get to Bond 26. The fact that they managed to take it as long as they did through five actors is pretty impressive for the series though.

 

WARNING - Bad (really bad) Bond Fan joke to follow.

 

Q: How many Bond fans does it take to replace a light bulb?

 

A: 1000 - One to change the bloody thing and make it work and 999 to continually discuss and argue why the previous ones were better.

 

*drops mic* And I'm out. Peace. Try the veal, tip your waiter and the sexy girl tending bar will NOT give you her number....



#16 AMC Hornet

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 05:05 AM

Bloody hell - another personal journey through Bond's back story and psyche.



#17 sharpshooter

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 05:35 AM

Just thinking aloud here - I could possibly see Newman bringing back the 'Skyfall' cue - not Adele's song, but the moody cue when Bond and M approach the lodge. A perfect time for this would be when Bond looks over the retrieved items in his flat. 



#18 Double-Oh Agent

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 07:13 AM

Bloody hell - another personal journey through Bond's back story and psyche.

I agree. Can't we just get a straight story for once--no peeling back the layers crap or going on a mission of vengeance? Whatever happened to simple, fun storytelling--aka the joy of being Bond--a la The Spy Who Loved Me or The Living Daylights?



#19 Vauxhall

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 09:50 AM

This is less Skyfall 2 and more Casino Royale 4.

Agreed, nicely put. Pretty sure we'll see all of Craig's films brought together and referenced.

I have to say, I was very surprised to still see the MI6 building damaged. This seems to be taking place in very close proximity to the events in Skyfall.

Indeed, and I think it's significant too.

Edited by Vauxhall, 28 March 2015 - 09:51 AM.


#20 x007AceOfSpades

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 10:54 AM

A direct sequel implies that it will pick up literally at the end of Skyfall. I see Spectre more along the lines of taking place six months to a year after Skyfall. It's definitely going to continue the themes and overall film aesthetic that Mendes & Co. brought into Skyfall, but I wouldn't call it the QOS for Skyfall. All four films are being tied into one another now, tying them together is one organization - SPECTRE. I would go as far as to say that aside from Vesper and Mr. White, QOS is borderline retconned.

 

This is less Skyfall 2 and more Casino Royale 4.

Couldn't have said it any better.

 

Q: How many Bond fans does it take to replace a light bulb?

 

A: 1000 - One to change the bloody thing and make it work and 999 to continually discuss and argue why the previous ones were better.

Funny, yet strangely true.



#21 sharpshooter

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 11:03 AM

I would go as far as to say that aside from Vesper and Mr. White, QOS is borderline retconned.

I'm not sure about that. If they mention Quantum is a sub-branch of SPECTRE, which perhaps helped fund Greene's activities, then that would give the film an added boost - apart from the more obvious links it has to CR.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 12:05 PM

I suppose it's possible that Quantum was just a small branch of SPECTRE that was hung out to dry once MI6 and the CIA caught on. It sure seems that Mr. White is afraid of them.

Also, I agree that this feels more like Casino Royale Part 4 than Skyfall 2. I thin this all seemed to be evolving out of where the story went versus just Nolan/Batmaning the franchise.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 01:36 PM

I think it will be indeed .. This time they didnt mention that like QOS .. But they will keep it to the audience to refresh their memories.. And yes this is turning to be the fourth part story from Casino Royale.. I think bond 25 will continue on :)

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 01:44 PM

Also, I agree that this feels more like Casino Royale Part 4 than Skyfall 2. I thin this all seemed to be evolving out of where the story went versus just Nolan/Batmaning the franchise.

Absolutely, they're all tied together somehow rather than this being Skyfall 2, which it isn't.

 

Plus, the discussion or rather argument that Bond is too much like Nolan/Batman is getting stale. It seems that if a director and writer(s) want to look a little more into the psyche and early history of the character it's automatically taking the "Nolan Route". I used to be against the idea, especially with a character like James Bond because I was always intrigued and drawn by his mysterious past (outside of his parents' death). Further exploring the character and creating endless possibilities and puts things in a different light and perspective.



#25 seawolfnyy

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:05 PM

I completely agree. We've had more character development in the 4 Craig films than in the 20 previous combined. I think it makes for better films and we can better understand Bond's reasoning for doing what he does.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:33 PM

Plus, the discussion or rather argument that Bond is too much like Nolan/Batman is getting stale. It seems that if a director and writer(s) want to look a little more into the psyche and early history of the character it's automatically taking the "Nolan Route". I used to be against the idea, especially with a character like James Bond because I was always intrigued and drawn by his mysterious past (outside of his parents' death). Further exploring the character and creating endless possibilities and puts things in a different light and perspective.

I don't think TDK Trilogy was all that great, anyway. Especially upon close scrutiny. Batman was great long before Nolan - BTAS is still top dog by some margin. If you praise something from TDK Trilogy, "the films transcend the genre." But If you call out the issues, "they're just comic book movies." Then I say don't hold yourself to a smug standard. The Bond films have attracted some high quality talent recently, but I've never felt they've become pretentious. And while personal angst has become more prevalent in the movies, it does have prior grounding in the novels. 



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:13 PM

What made OHMSS, LTK and CR special was that in those stories, things happened to Bond, instead of just him happening to the villain's plot.

 

Four 'personal' films in a row and that element isn't so special any more. Having a film with a straightforward mission, with no personal involvement, would make that film special again.



#28 tdalton

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:18 PM

I think the argument could easily be made that it's been more than four 'personal' films in a row.  I would contend that we haven't had one since The Living Daylights.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:21 PM

Well, even with Paris' death, I don't really consider Tomorrow Never Dies to be a this time it's personal story. After she's killed, she gets one more fleeting mention in the film and that's it.

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 04:24 PM

What made OHMSS, LTK and CR special was that in those stories, things happened to Bond, instead of just him happening to the villain's plot.

 

Four 'personal' films in a row and that element isn't so special any more. Having a film with a straightforward mission, with no personal involvement, would make that film special again.

This point makes perfect sense to me.

 

Don't get me wrong, getting to know Bond on a more personal level is interesting. However, at no time do I think Mr. Ian Fleming wanted to see his penned work played out into some big personal reflection journey. The novels themselves are a little about Bond and a lot about the life he currently lives in and the situation he has to deal with then and there. Bond films should be fun, big and sexy. With that said, the films have always delivered that. Now, the series has decided to zoom in on the little human details Fleming originally established for Bond. 

 

I do agree though, four films with the same general theme is just about enough. Come 2016, it'll be time again to adapt and change the formula.