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Could Bond 26 un-reboot the franchise?


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#1 seawolfnyy

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 01:06 PM

Here's a thought I've been pondering. Is it possible that Craig's Bond has a complete arc planned, with a beginning, middle and end? In this case, I wonder if it's possible that Bond 26 with the seventh Bond actor would either re-reboot the franchise or un-reboot and actually continue the original Bond timeline from Die Another Day. It makes me wonder because the Craig films are the first to really have some sort of continuity to them, not counting the very liberally connected early SPECTRE films.



#2 Vauxhall

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 01:17 PM

I don't think they'll return to the DIE ANOTHER DAY timeline, but I fully believe they intend Craig's films (4 or 5) to be a self-contained arc, which they can build upon or not.

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 01:50 PM

I think Bond 26 will be a business-as-usual Bond film, without much connection to the Craig era, apart from probably having Fiennes, Whishaw & co.

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:29 PM

I think they'll continue with the timeline they're on, but I WOUDN'T mind at all if they fit the current timeline in with the original by referring back to the past 20 or so movies as actually having happened.  It is fiction so I ~could~ accept the Craig movies as being both a reboot and a continuation of the original timeline.  Heck it almost seems that way with the references most notably to Goldfinger with the DB5 and reference to the exploding pen of Goldeneye (not to mention the obvious with Dame Judy Dench being a holdover). 

 

Perhaps the Craig series end up being more like Prequels to the original timeline?



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:31 PM

No thanks. DN to DAD was timeline no. 1.

 

CR to now is timeline no. 2. No connections, just a brand new reality with the same characters in different situations.



#6 Mr_Wint

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 09:41 PM

The most likely scenario is that they will follow the Craig era with another reboot. That is business-as-usual these days. Something similar to what they did with The Amazing Spider-Man films.

#7 seawolfnyy

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 09:50 PM

The most likely scenario is that they will follow the Craig era with another reboot. That is business-as-usual these days. Something similar to what they did with The Amazing Spider-Man films.

Yea, that was the other possibility I considered. To me, it just feels like after Craig finishes, there will be no more logical directions to go.



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 10:14 PM

I don't want another reboot, I've come to terms (mostly) with the Craig films being reboots, but I don't want ANOTHER one, continue the series where Craig leaves off.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:01 AM

Yeah, I don't want another reboot and I am generally against them. Besides they've just gone through Bond being a rookie 00 and then reintroduced Q and Moneypenny - you really think we'd go through those scenarios again after a couple of films? I don't think that's going to happen. They just get a new Bond (who probably differs quite a bit from Craig's portrayal) and make another film. Change of lead actor is always a major change, but I think we're going to get a change analoguous to from Connery to Moore - not a reboot.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:31 AM

I think they'll simply make another Bond movie. The rest will be up to us. 



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:28 AM

Agreed. The Craig era has been about Bond the man and how he became 007, and about re-introducing characters such as M, Q and Moneypenny. Spectre will see him oppose SPECTRE and, possibly Blofeld. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bond 25, if it stars Daniel Craig, becomes a final confrontation with Blofeld and SPECTRE, or just Blofeld, as in the novel of YOLT.

 

After that, with a new man as Bond, I think it will be one movie after another, not necessarily linked together - like the original series but not referring back to it. After all, in the 1962-2002 era there were occasional references to other missions, SPECTRE was a continuing adversary in the 1960s and early 1970s, and mentions would be made about Bond's late wife Tracy, but other than that the films were self contained entities.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:56 AM

I think also that Fiennes and Whishaw will stay with the franchise for a long time, I'd be willing to bet that they'll be M and Q during Bond 7's tenure. Ms Harris may step down with Craig though.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 08:24 AM

The problem is, they're now making Craig's Bond go on a journey spanning 4/5/6 films - each one important to the other in some way.

 

Look at the golden era of 007 films and you can watch one with no REAL knowledge of the previous films (bar maybe the Connery era), as they became stand-alone Bond adventures with a new story, new threat but same ideas and same characters.

 

They seem to want to make the Bond films span a long story over 4/5 films rather than just one, almost like 'Skyfall' could have been but it seems that will continue over into 'Spectre'.

 

I think they're making it difficult for themselves to ever return to simple, but well-produced Bond adventures like we had.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:12 AM

It might as well be that the next actor will have his own "arch" but there's not going to be back to square one-style reboot like Casino Royale.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:26 AM

The problem is, they're now making Craig's Bond go on a journey spanning 4/5/6 films - each one important to the other in some way.

 

Look at the golden era of 007 films and you can watch one with no REAL knowledge of the previous films (bar maybe the Connery era), as they became stand-alone Bond adventures with a new story, new threat but same ideas and same characters.

 

They seem to want to make the Bond films span a long story over 4/5 films rather than just one, almost like 'Skyfall' could have been but it seems that will continue over into 'Spectre'.

 

I think they're making it difficult for themselves to ever return to simple, but well-produced Bond adventures like we had.

Well, at the same time, it almost feels like the first new film for each actor is a soft reboot in it´s own right. The tone of the films change with each actor and feel completely different from the previous.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:41 AM

True...each actor previously had his new "theme" and conveyed that in the films. They just need to make it feel like it is the same man, the same world and the same threats that were Craig's.

 

But bloody hell he's going to be very tough to replace...! Will they keep Bond blond or go darker...just one of the many questions.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:51 AM

I think they might go a bit lighter and darker. Tone, hair.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:08 PM

I think they'll simply make another Bond movie. The rest will be up to us. 

 

Exactly.

 

If we asked the producers this question I don't think they'd have an answer for us. They would say that all 24 films are "Bond movies" and that's that.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:38 PM

It's a decide for yourself if it's a reboot or not. It is and it isn't...



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 01:14 AM

In the same way that it's up to you what happens to Bond just after the final scene.

 

For example. just what is the mission he is given at the end of Skyfall?

 

 

I like to think that at the end of DAD, Bond shoots Jinx in the head.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:44 PM

I like to think that at the end of DAD, Bond shoots Jinx in the head.

I like to think he wakes up and realizes that the whole thing was a bad dream.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:05 PM

For example. just what is the mission he is given at the end of Skyfall?

To infiltrate North Korea's hacking operations... He failed.

I like to think that at the end of DAD, Bond shoots Jinx in the head.

Ha!

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 05:30 PM

Given that Craig's rookie Bond still had the same M as Brosnan's, I really wouldn't worry about whether it's a franchise re/un boot or not.. You'll just give yourself a headache.

Just go to the cinema and enjoy the film.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 05:34 PM

I don't think they'll "un-boot" the Craig era.  The next Bond will most likely just be a business as usual film, although undoubtedly with some kind of personal twist to keep that three decades long streak going.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:18 PM

I'm going to be fascinated to see what happens next. Agree with all that they're won't be an obvious reboot like The Amazing Spiderman - it will be a more traditional "new actor" film. How that plays out though.....

 

IMHO, there is a sense that when DC steps down, there will be an extended break, more so to what I expect might be a creative cul-de-sac. The series has pretty much now been all things - adventure, light comedy, caper, action-movie, thriller. What's left? How about an idea always thrown around here - period-piece Bond?



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:01 PM

I do not think Craig's successor will reboot the series yet again.  After all, the final scene in Skyfall links directly to Dr. No, essentially signifying that Bond is back at that point.  While Gareth Mallory is clearly not Miles Messervy, and Bond meets Felix for the first time in two different times and places, the fact is that we should not think about it too much.  SPECTRE will be bringing one of Bond's classic enemies back.  Chances are that it will be a reimagined Blofeld and SPECTRE, but there may be enough tenuous links to the past, in much the same way that the Aston Martin from Skyfall is the same as the one from Goldfinger, that we can still look at is one messy continuity.  Borrowing a term from Doctor Who, wibbly wobby, timey wimey.  I seriously do not think that we will have Bond No. 7 starting out from the beginning again.  He will simply be there, taking orders from Ralph Fiennes' M, chatting with Rory Kinnear's Tanner, flirting with Naomi Harris' Moneypenny, and being outfitted by Ben Whishaw's Q.  And I do not think that SPECTRE and Blofeld will be defeated once and for all at the end of Craig's tenure.  EON has waited years for the rights.  They will utilize them to their fullest extent.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:07 PM

Not really timey wimey at all. Just little nods by the filmmakers saying "We're hardcore fans just like you!"



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:11 PM

If Craigs area will end in a perfect way (i hope not soon) .. I dont mind a Roger Moore type adventure.. But with the same Mi6 stuff for sure .. We could see individual movies but a serious bond like Timothy dalton but this is up to the producers..

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:38 PM

I don't think they'll "un-boot" the Craig era.  The next Bond will most likely just be a business as usual film, although undoubtedly with some kind of personal twist to keep that three decades long streak going.

 

Yes, I'd agree with this tdalton. I can actually imagine them announcing the "darkest Bond yet".

 

They could go either way of course, depending on what type of movies are doing well at the time - it could also go the other way and be a new TSWLM but I think the more likely scenario would be a bleak Bond thriller with 007 literally in the shadows.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 06:59 AM

I agree with the "soft reboot" view expressed above. Every time we have a new actor as Bond, the character changes a bit simply because the actor brings his approach to the role. It doesn't mean we have to go through developing Bond from scratch all over again - we just adapt to, say, Roger Moore's Bond not being like Sean Connery's in many ways. The backdrop, however, remains the same.

 

I wonder if a reboot would have happened at all had the rights to Casino Royale not been available? That they were meant that a long cherished opportunity to turn the first Fleming novel into a "proper" Bond film was available and the way the producers did justice to it was to treat it as the first adventure, albeit set in the present day. If CR hadn't been available, would Daniel Craig been cast as a Bond taking up where Pierce Brosnan left off? Who knows?