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#1 JCRendle

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 06:58 PM

What if we've been strung along for a while now and that neither Waltz nor Scott are the "main villain". Here's my very loose theory.
 
An agent of SPECTRE, possibly high up in the ranks, is entered into British politics to bring down MI6 from the inside. His name - or cover - is Gareth Mallory and he goes deep under cover, rising among the ranks of the Intelligence and Security Committee and, eventually rising to Chairman - giving him a say in the running of MI6.

 

SPECTRE knows that Dench's M is extremely loyal, and would not bow to bribery, corruption or blackmail and they need to get rid of her some way or the other. At the start of Skyfall, we see Mallory pressuring M to retire.

 

During the events at Skyfall Lodge, M is K.I.A and Mallory takes the opportunity to put himself forward as head of MI6 - given his "military background" - either real or invented and planted by SPECTRE using their various moles and contacts in the various military sections.

 

Mallory is now M, a member of SPECTRE and head of the British Secret Service.

 

Bond, being Bond, happens upon the information that a member of this far reaching terrorist organisation has planted a member in the ranks of MI6 - he does not know who and knows that he can trust noone.

 

He carries on the mission assigned to him by M, but secretly investigates his concerns on the side - building up his suspicions and evidence so that he can act without SPECTRE or the Mole catching on to his investigation - who can he trust, who can help him in his mission that wouldn't compromise his search?



#2 tdalton

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:03 PM

I sincerely hope that this isn't the case.  There has been far too much reliance on the tired subplot of trust between Bond and M dating back to The World is Not Enough.  It's been featured heavily from Die Another Day through Skyfall, and now that we have a new 'M', they just need to get on with it and leave that subplot in the rear view mirror.



#3 Vauxhall

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:13 PM

With the greatest respect, JCR, I hope you're very wrong!

#4 JCRendle

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:19 PM

As I said - a very loose theory :D



#5 SkyfallCraig

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:41 PM

Too confusing. should be more acceptable if Silva was a SPECTRE agent. But still, getting rid of M doesn't mean that Mallory becomes M himself. One thing does not imply the other. Also, it is not Mallory, but the Minister (?) and all the others at the hearing that want to shut down Mi6

#6 Guy Haines

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 08:05 PM

There's a problem with the theory - M could have been shot dead by Silva when he and his goon squad interrupted the committee of enquiry. Who should step forward to protect her but Gareth Mallory. If he was a SPECTRE (or Quantum) mole why stop Silva at that point?

 

When Ralph Fiennes was cast it did occur to me that his character might be someone with a hidden agenda who becomes M, but now I can't see it. Unless something pretty extraordinary crops up in a future Bond film, I'd say Fiennes M is on the side of the angels.

 

What could happen though in a future Bond - maybe in this one, we know so little about it - is; M is framed for something by enemy agents within MI6 and has to step down. He is replaced by someone on a temporary basis who is a SPECTRE agent and wants to make his position permanent. Bond goes on the case (Unofficially - the last thing his new villainous boss wants is the star of the secret service rumbling a SPECTRE plot within MI6 - he might even have his own side go after Bond by framing him too.) discovers the plot , foils it and in a confrontation scene vaguely reminiscent of the start of the novel The Man With The Golden Gun presents the facts to the SPECTRE imposter and kills him in M's office. The "real" M emerges from the shadows and offers congratulations on a job well done.

 

Anyway that's another plot idea that will most likely go nowhere. I'll say one thing about this new film - it's set a lot of us CBn types thinking!



#7 seawolfnyy

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 11:58 PM

I had this same thought too, JC. However, I also highly doubt it. I think Mallory fought too hard for the future of the Secret Service to be systematically undermining it at the same time. Also, I don't believe the producers had this plotline in mind during the pre-production of Skyfall. I think Skyfall was born out of the poor (for Bond standards) box office returns of Quantum of Solace and then MGM's bankruptcy. Not to mention, EON still had not secured the rights to SPECTRE at this time. Quantum was dead and they had nothing to replace it with. My guess is that Andrew Scott's Denby is the one who is undermining MI6. It's an interesting theory, but I just don't see it being true.



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Posted 09 December 2014 - 02:04 PM

I'm sure this has been thought of elsewhere, but I believe we will find that Monica Belluci is the head of Quantum, an arm of SPECTRE. And that somehow White will lead Bond to her for some unfinished business. And when this happens, a cryptic message from his past will lead to the true villain.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 03:09 PM

 I think Skyfall was born out of the poor (for Bond standards) box office returns of Quantum of Solace and then MGM's bankruptcy.

 

Not looking for a rumble or anything, Seawolf, but Quantum (according to Wikipedia!!!) only made 13 million less than CR. Even accounting for inflation over the two years, I wouldn't entirely agree that the returns for QoS were poor even by EON standards.

 

As for JC's theory, establishing Mallory as the new M is the feel-good triumphant coda to the downbeat climax of SF. From a purely creative standpoint, if Mendes were to undermine that with his next film, would he not be completely undermining the achievement of his previous story?

 

"Oh SF? Yeah, that was all bollocks I was having you all on" etc etc



#10 AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 05:54 PM



As for JC's theory, establishing Mallory as the new M is the feel-good triumphant coda to the downbeat climax of SF. From a purely creative standpoint, if Mendes were to undermine that with his next film, would he not be completely undermining the achievement of his previous story?

 

 

Indeed. Just because Ralph Fiennes has played such villains as Amon Goeth, Francis Dolarhyde and that noseless creep in Harry Potter flicks doesn't mean Mallory is a traitor. Trust me, the new M is on the side of the angels.



#11 tdalton

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 10:05 PM

 

Not looking for a rumble or anything, Seawolf, but Quantum (according to Wikipedia!!!) only made 13 million less than CR. Even accounting for inflation over the two years, I wouldn't entirely agree that the returns for QoS were poor even by EON standards.

 

 

Those numbers appear to be accurate, according to Box Office Mojo.  Quantum of Solace did not do poorly at the box office, whether we're talking about regular standards or just those of the Bond franchise.  It was a commercial success.  But, box office somehow gets pulled into the mix when detractors of the film try to paint it as a complete failure across the board. 



#12 Professor Pi

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 12:43 AM

I'm sure this has been thought of elsewhere, but I believe we will find that Monica Belluci is the head of Quantum, an arm of SPECTRE. And that somehow White will lead Bond to her for some unfinished business. And when this happens, a cryptic message from his past will lead to the true villain.

 

"James, I was almost cast as your girlfriend 17 years ago, 'but the fools said no'.  So I became the head of Quantum to exact my revenge!" :D



#13 seawolfnyy

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 01:26 PM

 

 I think Skyfall was born out of the poor (for Bond standards) box office returns of Quantum of Solace and then MGM's bankruptcy.

 

Not looking for a rumble or anything, Seawolf, but Quantum (according to Wikipedia!!!) only made 13 million less than CR. Even accounting for inflation over the two years, I wouldn't entirely agree that the returns for QoS were poor even by EON standards.

 

Yea, but if you compare Quantum of Solace's $230 million budget to Casino Royale's $150 million budget, the returns are not near as comparable.



#14 tdalton

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 02:00 PM

The budget for Quantum of Solace was only $200 million, according to both The Hollywood Reporter and Box Office Mojo.  The film ended up turning a profit of $386,090,727, which is not what I'd call a failure.



#15 Harmsway

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 02:08 PM

Quantum was not a box office failure by any stretch. The profit margin was a bit smaller than it was on Casino Royale, but it was still very successful.

#16 Jim

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 02:13 PM

The budget for Quantum of Solace was only $200 million.

 

Slightly terrifying "only", old freckle.



#17 glidrose

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:21 PM

No way would Fiennes play Mallory as a villain. I imagine Fiennes would throw a fit if this idea were even proposed. ;)



#18 seawolfnyy

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:54 PM

No way would Fiennes play Mallory as a villain. I imagine Fiennes would throw a fit if this idea were even proposed. ;)

It'd be like Miles Masservy being the villain.