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Fleming pieces that need to be adapted for future films?


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#1 DamnCoffee

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 04:38 PM

I thought it would be interesting to comprise a comprehensive list of golden moments from the novels that need screen treatment. Moments that scream classic Bond. There's still so many unused characters and set pieces in Flemings pages that have the ability to create stunning Bond moments on screen.

 

  • Dr No's obstacle course / Bond fighting a giant squid / Crawling through tarantulas
  • The Garden of Death. Bond getting true revenge - I really think this one might be coming up. If Bond 25 is called Shatterhand then I'll jump with glee. (Skyfall, Spectre, Shatterhand. Hmmm.)
  • Bond taking down the villain in the middle of a Jamaican swamp. Golden Gun had a great climax, also that train sequence as a highlight.
  • Bond attempting to assassinate M after being brainwashed. Again from The Man With The Golden Gun. Would be a brilliant way for Bond #7 to be introduced.
  • Blades Club. Seeing more of Bonds lifestyle, and M's to an extent. Would be great for character development, and to show more of the glamorous side of Bond. 
  • Gala Brand. Also, her and Bonds investigation concluding with Drax trying to murder them by causing a landslide(???). I remember something like that happening, the finer details haven't stuck in my mind, I haven't read the books in years. 
  • The Spang Brothers. The casting possibilities are endless. They could bring a bit of mischief and could be incredibly memorable if done right. Two brothers as Bond villains? Why not!
  • More of Bond in the work environment. Mary Goodnight being Bonds secretary?
  • The end of The From Russia With Love novel. Would make a cracking cliffhanger for a Bond film. Possibly this one? ;)


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Posted 07 December 2014 - 09:09 PM

Yes, I agree - there's still a reasonable amount of unfilmed Fleming. A while back, I came up with a wish list of episodes that deserve to be filmed. I'm with you about the giant squid in Dr No and YOLT's Garden of Death. It looks like the material that was top of my list - the entire short story of Octopussy - will be used for SPECTRE, which is very exciting. Anyway, here's my list:

 

http://jamesbondmeme...from-james.html



#3 007jamesbond

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 09:35 PM

if Bond 25 is going to Craig's last film......then maybe the ending include an offer to be knighted by the Queen? 



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Posted 08 December 2014 - 01:08 AM

if Bond 25 is going to Craig's last film......then maybe the ending include an offer to be knighted by the Queen? 

I think Austin Powers ruined any chance of that. Haha

 

 

  • The Garden of Death. Bond getting true revenge - I really think this one might be coming up. If Bond 25 is called Shatterhand then I'll jump with glee. (Skyfall, Spectre, Shatterhand. Hmmm.)

I definitely think either Bond 25 or 26 will be adaptating this and yes I've also had the belief that Mendes will continue with the alliteration and name the next film Shatterhand. I also wonder if they would include Bond's amnesia and have the PTS of the following see Bond attempt to assassinate M. I don't think the giant squid scene will make it on screen anytime soon. That seems like something we would've gotten in the Moore era.



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Posted 08 December 2014 - 05:47 AM

 

if Bond 25 is going to Craig's last film......then maybe the ending include an offer to be knighted by the Queen? 

I think Austin Powers ruined any chance of that. Haha

 

 

  • The Garden of Death. Bond getting true revenge - I really think this one might be coming up. If Bond 25 is called Shatterhand then I'll jump with glee. (Skyfall, Spectre, Shatterhand. Hmmm.)

I definitely think either Bond 25 or 26 will be adaptating this and yes I've also had the belief that Mendes will continue with the alliteration and name the next film Shatterhand. I also wonder if they would include Bond's amnesia and have the PTS of the following see Bond attempt to assassinate M. I don't think the giant squid scene will make it on screen anytime soon. That seems like something we would've gotten in the Moore era.

 

 

It could've been worse. We could've had Austin on the phone with Blair as reminecent of Thatcher calling Bond in FYEO
 

Edited by Admiral Messervey, 08 December 2014 - 05:48 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:57 PM

I've always wanted to see Mathis' speech from the Casino Royale novel on the nature of evil to Bond.  They didn't have it in CR nor Mathis' final scenes in QoS so now I'm not sure we'll ever see it.



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 10:14 AM

I like all the examples quoted so far. As for two brothers as villains, as per the Spangs, yes, why not? Or twin brothers as villains? It was done in a very campy way in the 1960s Batman series with Liberace as a musical bad guy and his even worse gangster twin, and John Gardner had the Dragonpol brothers David and Daniel in  "Never Send Flowers" - but only one of them was bad. So, we could have good twin and bad twin? And you would only need the one actor for both.



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Posted 09 January 2015 - 02:24 AM

  • The Garden of Death. Bond getting true revenge - I really think this one might be coming up. If Bond 25 is called Shatterhand then I'll jump with glee. (Skyfall, Spectre, Shatterhand. Hmmm.)

 

Same. I'm a broken record on this, but I'd like to think one day they'll dream up a way of bringing the YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE novel to the big screen.

 
  • Bond attempting to assassinate M after being brainwashed. Again from The Man With The Golden Gun. Would be a brilliant way for Bond #7 to be introduced.

 

I was thinking about this, and my only concern is that you'd bring an 'unfamiliar' actor (admittedly one who the world will have known for months is going to become Bond) entering the Bond universe by trying to kill his boss. It would get Bond #7 off to a fairly bad start, albeit a powerful one.

 
  • The end of The From Russia With Love novel. Would make a cracking cliffhanger for a Bond film. Possibly this one?  ;)

 

I think EON will always avoid a true cliffhanger, just in case they jinx the future of the franchise and never make another movie! 

 



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Posted 09 January 2015 - 09:17 AM

  • The end of The From Russia With Love novel. Would make a cracking cliffhanger for a Bond film. Possibly this one? ;)


I think EON will always avoid a true cliffhanger, just in case they jinx the future of the franchise and never make another movie!

Another reason Eon doesn't really do cliffhangers is that Bond films, on the whole, are made for dipping in to - you can watch them out of order, without needing to see the previous films (save QoS) - sure, you have mentions of Tracy, but they're minimal.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 09:36 AM

squid.garden of death



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Posted 11 January 2015 - 11:38 PM

The Garden of Death or Crab Key obstacle course are both key ideas screaming to be filmed (they could be combined into the same film with minimal effort, in fact).

 

I'd also like to see something like Fleming's Live and Let Die go into play (i.e. a lost treasure funding criminal activities).

 

It'd be great to see a Bond movie that ended on a cliffhanger as potent as the finale of From Russia with Love.



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Posted 11 January 2015 - 11:41 PM

I'm hopeful that we'll see the Garden of Death in Bond 25.  I get the feeling that, if we don't see it then, with Bond 25 being, I assume, a follow-up to SPECTRE and Craig's final film, then I doubt that we'll ever see it on film.



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Posted 12 January 2015 - 12:06 AM

I'm hopeful that we'll see the Garden of Death in Bond 25.  I get the feeling that, if we don't see it then, with Bond 25 being, I assume, a follow-up to SPECTRE and Craig's final film, then I doubt that we'll ever see it on film.

I'm hopeful we'll see it, too. It would be the perfect opportunity.



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Posted 12 January 2015 - 12:43 AM

Unfortunately, with the "realistic" feel of Craig's films, I doubt we'll see a film with a garden full of poisonous plants, deadly animals and piranhas. Unfortunately.



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Posted 12 January 2015 - 02:47 AM

Unfortunately, with the "realistic" feel of Craig's films, I doubt we'll see a film with a garden full of poisonous plants, deadly animals and piranhas. Unfortunately.

Well you never know with Mendes.  He loves the old movies.  We did have a Komodo Dragon in SF.  



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Posted 12 January 2015 - 02:51 AM

I think the trend is more and more toward "classic" bond. I think they'll be able to handle something a bit more outlandish/surreal in Bond 25. And it's all how you handle it, too; the garden could be campy or very nightmarish.



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Posted 12 January 2015 - 07:12 AM

A few observations. The Garden Of Death - I think they could get around to it eventually, and not necessarily as part of an attempt to bring the novel of YOLT to the screen, though it would work best if they did.

 

I'd like to see the Gala Brand and Bond scene involving the White Cliffs Of Dover, or a cliff face somewhere, if only for the scene afterwards - Bond and Gala arrive at Drax's house and there's a splendid and comic look of surprise on the faces of Drax, Dr Walter and especially Krebs when they do - plus Bond notices that two less places are set out at the dining table. Of course the villains in question don't have to be Drax and his associates.

 

Speaking of cliffs - a cliffhanger ending. Well, it would allow the end titles to read slightly differently - instead of "James Bond Will Return" read "Will James Bond Return?". And that's just it. If the film with said ending does brilliantly and the producers get cracking on the follow up immediately we won't have long to wait for the answer. But supposing the film does relatively less well? Or worse, supposing we have another hiatus like the one between LTK and GE, for whatever reason? An unsympathetic studio boss - and he or she would have to be crazy to do this, but you never know - would have the perfect reason not to support a new Bond film - "Why should we? You killed Bond off, didn't you?"



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Posted 13 January 2015 - 03:39 PM

I've started to reread through Fleming (started with Thunderball, then finishing off with the last two in the Blofeld trilogy.) Haven't gotten far, but I am quite a fan of M and Bonds little meeting at the start, how he hears that M has been putting the service through loads of physical and mental assessments and getting little obsessions now and again. His Shrublands phase is especially humorous. Imagining Ralph Fiennes rant on about nuts and uncooked vegetables to a bemused Bond would be fun to see. If the films go a bit lighter it would be nice for it to be a humorous little arc for him over the course of a future film. If done right obviously.

 

Also, staying on the M topic, I can completely picture Gareth Mallory at Blades. Isn't it about time that was introduced? Especially if they were to go down the route of the Moonraker novel. Bond discovering the villain cheating at cards. Would be nice to see Bond and M visit there occasionally. Bond winding down there on his own. It's one of those classic Bond locations that deserves a proper introduction. 

 

On an unrelated note, I remember some kind of sequence in a Fleming novel that involved Bond on the back of a corn or wheat truck? Minor action sequence, but I seem to remember something along those lines. Anyone care to enlighten me?


Edited by DamnCoffee, 13 January 2015 - 03:40 PM.


#19 Major Tallon

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 03:49 PM

Drawing a blank on that one.



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Posted 13 January 2015 - 07:30 PM

This is a joke(more or less)

007 has to use his own urine to send a invisible ink message.    Fleming's OHMSS



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 04:25 PM

Blades would be cool

the Garden of Death would be interesting, although the whole thing leading up to it with the suicides' in japan and all probably wouldn't make it into it.



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Posted 16 January 2015 - 03:39 AM

- Basically the entire Moonraker novel needs to be done.

- I would love to see The Hildebrand Rarity brought to the screen.  Complete with the death by fish in mouth scene.  Amazing.



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Posted 16 January 2015 - 08:04 AM

I agree with __7. The entire novel of Moonraker should have been filmed broadly as written decades ago, and the 1960s would have been the best decade to have done it, with the space race at its height and memories of the Second World War still fresh in the minds of some people. But in this new reboot era we are in, I'm sure some 21st century way of bringing it to the screen, albeit not titled "Moonraker", could be found.

 

And yes the death by spine fish would be interesting if shown on screen.



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Posted 16 January 2015 - 09:18 AM

- Basically the entire Moonraker novel needs to be done.
- I would love to see The Hildebrand Rarity brought to the screen.  Complete with the death by fish in mouth scene.  Amazing.

 

I agree with __7. The entire novel of Moonraker should have been filmed broadly as written decades ago, and the 1960s would have been the best decade to have done it, with the space race at its height and memories of the Second World War still fresh in the minds of some people. But in this new reboot era we are in, I'm sure some 21st century way of bringing it to the screen, albeit not titled "Moonraker", could be found.
 
And yes the death by spine fish would be interesting if shown on screen.

 
Die Another Day was basically an adaption of Moonraker,

  • Hugo von der Drache/Hugo Drax : Colonel Moon/Gustav Graves
  • Gala Brand : Miranda Frost
  • Bridge at Blade's : Fencing at Blade's
  • Moonraker Rocket : Icarus Satellite
  • Drax's new money through Columbite : Moon's new money through Diamonds

etc,



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Posted 20 January 2015 - 04:20 AM

Everyone wants to see the Garden of Death on film, but I think it is going to be a major challenge. The big problem is that a lot of it is grounded in Japanese culture, particularly the way suicide is seen as a way to resolve one's shame honourably. If the producers got this element of it wrong, then it would be easy to accuse the film of being insensitive or worse, exploitative. Conversely, if they got it right, then it could potentially be a film that no-one in their right mind wanted to see. The obvious solution to this would be to rewrite the story with Blofeld as a biochemist or some such, but I think that would erode the spirit of the story.

So I think that the easiest way to incorporate it would be to move the action away from Japan entirely. Instead, I would set the film somewhere like Nepal or Bhutan.

The book stands out in my mind as being very different from any other Bond story. You'll have to bear with me through this next part, as I am an English teacher, so some of this is going to be analysis and interpretation. I really think that the story is the ultimate battle between good and evil. In many ways, Bond is chasing Blofeld to the ends of the earth for a confrontation that only one of them can walk away from. At the time of writing, Japan was very much the ends of the earth, but in the time since, the world has gotten smaller and it no longer really fits that idea. On the other hand, Nepal and Bhutan are fairly remote, and have very esoteric cultures that have not rubbed off on the West, and nor have they adopted elements of Western culture. And in terms of geography, there is virtually nothing north of Nepal - you have mountains, deserts, the steppes and Siberia. There's the odd town or city, like Urumqi, but it's very uninhabited. I think it really fits the "ends of the earth" description.

If the fight between Bond and Blofeld is one of good versus evil, then Blofeld represents, for want of a better word, a devil. Not in a religious or biblical sense, but something much more basic. The Garden of Death, then, is a nest of corruption, a blight upon the landscape that feeds on and subverts the nobility of a culture - like Japan - in order to sustain itself. If it were to be filmed, then this is what I think the Garden should be.

I also think that surviving the Garden is just as fundamental to the confrontation with Blofeld as the fight itself. And for this reason, I think Nepal would be perfect. For one, the Garden can be at altitude, so the air will be thin. And in the winter, it would be bitingly cold. Combine this with Dr. No's assault course, and getting into the Garden itself would be a challenge - Bond could go caving to sneak into the Garden, and contend with some kind of geothermal heating system. By the time he actually confronts Blofeld, he should have gone through hell - physically exhausted, bloodied, bruised and burnt, and probably feeling the effects of a bite or a sting from a poisonous plant or animal.

I also think that the Garden of Death would make a perfect finale for Craig. Much of the novel has Bond making his peace with the world, as he knows he is likely to die. And in a way, he does; his amnesia effectively kills the old Bond, allowing him to forget the trauma of his life and live a normal life as a reward for wiping Blofeld's evil out. Given that Bond staged his death - more by happy coincidence than by design - in "Skyfall" and amnesia was a plot device in the "Bourne" films, it might be hard to pull off. But a film featuring the Garden could end with the Garden being destroyed in an avalanche. M, or perhaps a local contact, then dictates an after-action report with Bond missing in action. As he narrates, we see a lone figure walking away from the ruins of the Garden and fading away in the twilight, and we know that figure is James Bond.