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The Never Say Never Again sequel...Spectre


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#1 Donovan

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 11:29 AM

I suppose I could have started this in the Bond 24/SPECTRE thread but I get claustrophobic in crowded places. But upon hearing the (great) news of the new title, I was almost immediately reminded of the announcement 30 years ago that Kevin McClory planned to make a sequel to Never Say Never Again called Spectre.

 

Nothing came of it, of course. No Internet back then so there wasn't the rash of rumors, questions and wishful thinking. I want to say at the time I heard the news from the [American] James Bond Fan Club. Variety had a blurb about it in the Feb 29th issue. One thing seemed clear: Sean Connery wouldn't be in it.

 

But this was pretty standard practice back then. Variety provided a public arena for the Eon vs. McClory battles. They really began in the mid-1970s. McClory would make a press release about a new film. Eon would counter with an ad claiming to be the sole owners of the Bond characters for the cinema. Early press releases for McClory's Warhead included announcing Trevor Howard as M and (ironically) Orson Welles as Blofeld, along with Connery as Bond. This all of course eventually became Never Say Never Again. After that film was made, McClory kept stabbing at various avenues to make another film. In the 90s he thought about casting Dalton or Brosnan as Bond.

 

There's something about the announcement of this new film that really seems to finally lay to rest the bizarre role Kevin McClory played in the James Bond films. Eon now owns it all. They finally acquired Casino Royale, now they finally have Spectre all to themselves.

 

 



#2 Hockey Mask

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:45 PM

Not doubting you but only because I have no idea...
Does EON actually own everything now or is all just under one roof?

#3 Simon

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 04:26 PM

Not doubting you but only because I have no idea...
Does EON actually own everything now or is all just under one roof?

 

Not sure what you mean by, '...OR is it all under one roof.'  Eon own everything and Therefore it is all under one roof.



#4 iBond

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 04:38 PM

As of last year, Danjaq has the rights to the SPECTRE name and Blofeld character.



#5 Simon

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 04:40 PM

Yup - what better way to show the world the ownership than by flaunting it through their productions.



#6 larrythefatcat

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:41 PM

As far as I'm aware, EON/Danjaq has full rights to all James Bond-related films, characters and plots for use in their future film productions apart from their original contract that prohibits them from using the contents of Ian Fleming's 'The Spy Who Loved Me' because he hated it so much. This means that Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson could release the 1954 and 1967 'Casino Royale'(s) along with 'Never Say Never Again' as official EON James Bond films if they so desired.

 

After this less-than-a-year turnaround with the SPECTRE/Blofeld rights, it's surprising to know that they had the rights to 'Casino Royale' all the way back in 1999 and didn't start producing the film until 6 years later!



#7 Professor Pi

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:10 PM

After this less-than-a-year turnaround with the SPECTRE/Blofeld rights, it's surprising to know that they had the rights to 'Casino Royale' all the way back in 1999 and didn't start producing the film until 6 years later!

 

I think that was a case where they were already planning an overblown 40th anniversary production (DAD) and they didn't want to do a reboot with an established Bond actor.  They had toyed with the origin story idea in the early stages of The Living Daylights.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:21 PM

True on TLD. Charles Helfenstein's great 'The Making of the Living Daylights' documents this including the draft that took place in the early 70's. Worth the read and the purchase of such a fine BTS film documentation. 



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:51 PM

 

After this less-than-a-year turnaround with the SPECTRE/Blofeld rights, it's surprising to know that they had the rights to 'Casino Royale' all the way back in 1999 and didn't start producing the film until 6 years later!

 

I think that was a case where they were already planning an overblown 40th anniversary production (DAD) and they didn't want to do a reboot with an established Bond actor.  They had toyed with the origin story idea in the early stages of The Living Daylights.

 

 

Right, but Cubby was against the idea as he didn't want an origins story.



#10 glidrose

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 09:21 PM

http://www.screendai...5096117.article

I know we have another thread on this subject from way back when, but I can't find it.

Mods, merge it if you can find it.

#11 AMC Hornet

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Posted 30 October 2015 - 01:10 AM

I saw an identical advert in Variety, also in '84.

 

BTW, can't Ms. Acevedo count? If Thunderball was the third Bond film, which one is she omitting?



#12 Dustin

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Posted 31 October 2015 - 04:50 PM

http://www.screendai...5096117.article

I know we have another thread on this subject from way back when, but I can't find it.

Mods, merge it if you can find it.



Took me a bit, sorry.


Topics merged.

Great find, glidrose. At the time I've read mention of this, never saw the actual ad though. Odd that a character who was often described as mean by his contemporaries was willing to shell out for this ad, wonder if that actually lead to any business talks about the project.

#13 AMC Hornet

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Posted 31 October 2015 - 04:59 PM

That was the purpose of the advert: to attract investors - although obviously it did not attract enough.

 

He might as well have said "help me finance my ongoing legal battles against the EON juggernaut".



#14 Dustin

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Posted 31 October 2015 - 05:21 PM

I wonder if he charged fees for interested parties to take a look at the court ruling, the settlement and the drafts? He must at any rate have succeeded in luring the Sony guys to take an interest.

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 10:38 PM

Just watched the brilliant documentary Everything or Nothing. They covered the whole thing and it seems 911 had a large part to play. They didn't want Bond to be frivolous and Cubby had always said to Barbara and Michael when your not sure, go back to Fleming. Casino Royale was reborn. Great Doc by the way and I personally never realised EON stood for Everything or Nothing. 



#16 TheREAL008

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 01:48 PM

One thing I never understood, didn't Fleming even try to create a prototype Blofeld? Perhaps his own creation of the leader of SPECTRE?

And if so, why couldn't EON use that character from time to time?