Lieutenant
Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:53 PM
http://hmssweblog.wo...-about-bond-24/
Will the gunbarrel logo finally return to the start of a 007 movie with Bond 24? A guess: the odds are 007-1 against it. A gunbarrel logo at the start was the old 007 series. Starting with Casino Royale, Wilson and Broccoli have sought something “for ourselves.”
Lieutenant
Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:25 AM
The gunbarrel logo is just as much Bond as a black tuxedo is, as far as I'm concerned. It is high time the gunbarrel is placed in the proper position, that being the beginning. For two simple reasons I believe: One being that the ending of Skyfall would set up the films being opened with a gunbarrel perfectly as now, a male M resides in a familiar office setting and both a new Moneypenny and Q have been established. Secondly, if the producers wanted to leave the past in the past, they wouldn't have taken these steps to establish these characters as the films were going along just fine without them.
Therefore, as far as I'm concerned it is just a matter of time (much like seeing a new Q and Moneypenny) before the gunbarrel sequence returns to the beginning of the films.
Saying flatly that the gunbarrel sequence was a part of the old 007 series is hogwash. Much like Bond, the gunbarrel will return... and Bond 24 would be a perfect opportunity to return such an element in my opinion, due to how Bond's story has progressed of course.
Lt. Commander
Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:46 PM
I'm sympathetic to the other side of this argument - that the gunbarrel is not really necessary and that you can still make it a James Bond film without it at the start. However.. I'll add to that that while this is obviously true, and you *can* make a Superman film without the John Williams Superman theme or a Star Wars film without the opening theme and text.. why would you want to exactly? The only reason is to pretend you're being different when in fact you're just deliberately shaking up a tiny detail just to annoy people and get more talking about the film. Stick to shaking up the important things like storytelling and characters etc - changing the gunbarrel all the time is, ironically, nothing but a cheap gimmick, under the pretense of the gunbarrel itself having been the gimmick (eh, not really, that's just called style). There's no reason to remove the gunbarrel from Bond really, doing so is itself more of a pretense than keeping it for the sake of tradition.
It should be right at the beginning of this next film, and done well. I've found the gunbarrel designs for the last two films to be pretty ugly and extra computer-generated looking. They can easily make it in the style of Binder with a modern flair. Why does it have to look like a dull scratched sewer pipe instead of a classic, stylish design? It's like changing it way more than ever necessary just for the sake of feeling you did 'something different' when in fact you didn't, all you did was make it look dull and uninteresting. The gunbarrel's basic design was never broken and doesn't need fixing.
In fact, voila - they designed the Skyfall poster to Binder's design, and it looks vastly better than the crap they made for the end of the film. USE THIS DESIGN EON..
Commander
Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:04 PM
I don't really care about the gunbarrel. I mean look what the gunbarrel preceeded last time it was at the beginning. If it isn't at the beginning next time, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Personally, I think the QoS gunbarrel is better than the SF one. The CGI barrel looks better and I like how Craig walks away after shooting. Although the music for the SF one is better.
Commander
Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:37 PM
Guys, I'm quite sure you know my cause...
https://www.facebook...nbarrelattheend
Just like Leon says, the designs were quite ugly and simplistic, Bond's pose and looks haven't convinced me either (re: grey suit), and of course, didn't like it having at the end twice at all! Hope this time Mendes can fullfil his promise...
Lieutenant
Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:58 PM
I think we'll get it back to the beginning. We just happened to be very unlucky that Casino Royale was a reboot, Quantum of Solace ended with Bond becoming Bond, and Skyfall which just happened to have a beginning which resembled a gun barrel. There's really no excuse.
Lt. Commander
Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:14 AM
Edited by 00Hockey Mask, 14 July 2013 - 12:15 AM.
Lt. Commander
Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:11 AM
Guys, I'm quite sure you know my cause...
https://www.facebook...nbarrelattheend
Just like Leon says, the designs were quite ugly and simplistic, Bond's pose and looks haven't convinced me either (re: grey suit), and of course, didn't like it having at the end twice at all! Hope this time Mendes can fullfil his promise...
During Quantum's production, MGW said the gunbarrel would "probably" be at the start.
http://commanderbond...-gunbarrel.html
It wasn't.
Mendes said with Skyfall they intended to put it at the start but, gosh, couldn't pull it off.
http://www.digitalsp...of-skyfall.html
After Skyfall came out, Barbara Broccoli said the gunbarrel will be placed where it's right for the next film. In other words, no promise that it'd be at the start next time.
http://www.heyuguys....bara-broccolli/
Key quote:
The gun barrel is at the end of the movie again. Is that the way it’s going to be from now on?
BARBARA: It will vary from film to film.
Maybe it will be at the start of Bond 24, maybe not. At this point, it's pretty established the gunbarrel doesn't come at the start. The change will be if it does.
Commander
Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:15 AM
Well I don't think they can end Bond 24 on the Bond theme again, so I wont be surprised if the gunbarrel is at the start and the film has an ending credits which we haven't had since TWINE is I remember correctly.
Commander
Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:02 PM
Since Mendes wanted it at the beginning but the first frame wouldn't have made it look smooth in 'Skyfall', hopefully now he can get his wish with 'Bond 24' and get it back to the start!
Commander
Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:51 PM
It doesn't bother me where the gunbarrel is, but I expect, as things stand, Mendes will be aiming to put it at the start.
Commander
Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:33 AM
Commander
Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:03 AM
Oh boy here we go again.. 
Lieutenant
Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:20 PM
The one thing SkyFall definitely didn't get right is the gunbarrel. Grey suit, awkward walk, no muzzle flash and bland CGI rifling? Nosiree, not for me - QoS did it hugely better. And I'd still take the other 21 films' gunbarrels before QoS'!
Commander
Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:34 PM
The only things SF's gunbarrel improved on were Craig's walk and the rifling design. In QOS the walk was rushed, and he moved like he was wearing a nappy. At least in SF it was slow and deliberate, like it should be.
Lieutenant
Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:38 PM
The only things SF's gunbarrel improved on were Craig's walk and the rifling design. In QOS the walk was rushed, and he moved like he was wearing a nappy. At least in SF it was slow and deliberate, like it should be.
Slow and deliberate it should be, yes, but Craig's SF walk was stilted. Hopefully Bond 24 will see an improvement.
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:00 PM
While I agree with most of the criticisms voiced here about the QOS/SF gunbarrels, personally, I hope they keep Craig in a suit for Bond 24's gunbarrel. It harkens back to the Connery/Lazenby/early Moore years. I know the gunbarrel is highly stylized and not even remotely realistic, but something feels more right about Bond wearing his everyday street wear during the sequence. It gives more of the right cat and mouse feeling. That, for Bond, danger lurks around every corner. The dinner suit, while highly iconographic just feels too artificial to me.
Commander
Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:40 PM
I do like how Craig's Bond has filmed a new gun barrel each time around.
Lieutenant
Posted 16 July 2013 - 04:58 PM
While I agree with most of the criticisms voiced here about the QOS/SF gunbarrels, personally, I hope they keep Craig in a suit for Bond 24's gunbarrel. It harkens back to the Connery/Lazenby/early Moore years. I know the gunbarrel is highly stylized and not even remotely realistic, but something feels more right about Bond wearing his everyday street wear during the sequence. It gives more of the right cat and mouse feeling. That, for Bond, danger lurks around every corner. The dinner suit, while highly iconographic just feels too artificial to me.
Oh yes, I agree he should be in a suit. He looked great in QoS' and CR's gunbarrel - good style of dress, iconic body language. But not in SF's lame light grey suit and awkward pose. Dark colours and cooler pose, please. Sounds petty, but filmmakers should obsess over the details.
I do like how Craig's Bond has filmed a new gun barrel each time around.
Me too, actually, and I really hope the trend continues 
Edited by RMc, 16 July 2013 - 04:58 PM.
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:11 PM
Well, I am sorry guys but ending the movie with the gunbarrel does not disturb me. I find it is a very good way to achieve the mission and tell to us that "James Bond will return".
Commander
Posted 16 July 2013 - 07:09 PM
I wonder what they will do different with Bond 24's gun barrel, Craig has already done one with his hand out perhaps he'll do the one knee move next.
Commander
Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:06 PM
How was Bond's robotic body language in QOS 'iconic?'
Commander RNR
Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:59 AM
There hasn't been a good gunbarrel sequence since Maurice Binder and they'll never be one again. Because there's no glory in simply recreating the beautiful simplicity of the original artist's work. Whoever does it just won't be able to resist putting their own horrible "stamp" on it.
They should just drop it altogether.
But for something that a) will only take up a few seconds of the film, and b) won't be very good when it does, it sure generates a lot of discussion.
Commander
Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:04 AM
They should just drop it altogether.
I completely agree with this.
Commander
Posted 17 July 2013 - 06:10 AM
Well, I am sorry guys but ending the movie with the gunbarrel does not disturb me. I find it is a very good way to achieve the mission and tell to us that "James Bond will return".
Agree 100%. 
Lieutenant
Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:42 AM
How was Bond's robotic body language in QOS 'iconic?'
Well, for a start he actually looks like he's shooting his would-be assassin, not striking a ballet pose.
For Bond 24, IMO Craig should mimic Dalton's gunbarrel in TLD:
It manages to achieve class and aggression, and is very similar to QoS' but without the ridiculous speed.
Of course, Craig doesn't need the tux.
Commander
Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:23 PM
It manages to achieve class and aggression, and is very similar to QoS' but without the ridiculous speed.
Weird. Dalton's reminds me more of SF's (minus jazz hands) since he bends his knees in both and keeps the gun fairly low. The QoS gunbarrel has a very wide stance and the shooting arm is raised higher - almost shoulder height.
Lt. Commander
Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:46 AM
Dalton had such good gun barrels I loved the License to Kill one.
Commander
Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:43 PM
How was Bond's robotic body language in QOS 'iconic?'
Is the QoS gunbarrel really that bad? Or are people confusing their disgust with the film to also include the gunbarrel, which I felt is actually Craig's strongest one?
Lieutenant
Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:09 PM
How was Bond's robotic body language in QOS 'iconic?'
Is the QoS gunbarrel really that bad? Or are people confusing their disgust with the film to also include the gunbarrel, which I felt is actually Craig's strongest one?
Thank you!
It manages to achieve class and aggression, and is very similar to QoS' but without the ridiculous speed.
Weird. Dalton's reminds me more of SF's (minus jazz hands) since he bends his knees in both and keeps the gun fairly low. The QoS gunbarrel has a very wide stance and the shooting arm is raised higher - almost shoulder height.
Perhaps that's why TLD came to mind.
It's not so much what you do, it's the way you do it. Dalton does it with so much more style and fluidity; Craig strikes the same beats but in a much more stiff fashion. The best analogy I can think of, is that SF's gunbarrel looks like Craig was key-frame animated, and the fill-in artist forgot to turn up.