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[quantumofsolace]

http://whatculture.c...bond-movies.php

[Turn]

Replace AVTAK with OP and you pretty much have my list.

[DamnCoffee]

No. No. Yes. No. Yes. 

[MarkA]

Replace AVTAK with OP and you pretty much have my list.

I pretty much agree with you. To me AVTAK is not only a bad Bond movie but a crime against cinema.

[thecasinoroyale]

5) TND - Don't agree.

4) DAF - Agree somewhat.

3) TMWTGG - Agree.

2) AVTAK - Agree

1) TLD - Agree somewhat, but feel 'Licence To Kill' should be that top spot, especially in the light of Craig's current portrayal giving Dalton a fresh look.

[tdalton]

5) Tomorrow Never Dies -  Don't agree at all.  It deserves every ounce of criticism thrown at it.

4) Diamonds Are Forever - See above.

3) The Man With the Golden Gun - Just a dreadful film.  The only thing keeping it from being flat out the worst Bond film ever is the fact that Die Another Day was made.

2) A View to a Kill - Agreed on this one.  Don't understand the hatred for it.

1) The Living Daylights - I honestly didn't know that this one was hated by very many.  Usually the vitriol for Dalton is saved for Licence to Kill.

[freemo]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[QLink]

5) Tomorrow Never Dies -  Don't agree at all.  It deserves every ounce of criticism thrown at it.
4) Diamonds Are Forever - See above.
3) The Man With the Golden Gun - Just a dreadful film.  The only thing keeping it from being flat out the worst Bond film ever is the fact that Die Another Day was made.
2) A View to a Kill - Agreed on this one.  Don't understand the hatred for it.
1) The Living Daylights - I honestly didn't know that this one was hated by very many.  Usually the vitriol for Dalton is saved for Licence to Kill.

TND was kind of fun, so yes it's under rated.

DAF wasn't bad in its day, but in light of where the series has ended up, it looks bad.

Golden Gun has Christopher Lee going for it, but little else. It also has the worst title song in
movie history.

View also has a Christopher (Walken) going for it, but for Moore, the Golden Gate Bridge is just one too far.

LDL is a proto-Craig movie. It gets points for at least trying to give us a down to earth Bond.

[jrcjohnny99]

Well I've always thought the most under-rated Bond movie was Moonraker...

as for the list..

TND - absolutely, actually my fave Brosnan Bond pic

DAF - nope; other than NSNA, it's Connerys weakest Bond which seems to be the consensus on the 'Least Fave Connery pic" thread

TMWTGG - Absolutely, has lots of issues but it's strengths (Lee, Hong Kong/Thailand, Lee, Maud Adams, Moore's performance & Christopher Lee)are legion. 

AVTAK - nope, easily Rog's worst. Walken is great as is Macnee but the rest of the film is rubbish

TLD - Absolutely, tho among the hardcore it's obviously VERY highly rated. 

[Baccarat]

TND - Don't agree. Dull, with Jonathan Pryce hopelessly miscast as the villain.

DAF - Don't agree. Wasted opportunity. A clearly bored Connery phones it in. Tired and tiresome.

TMWTGG - Agree somewhat. Moore and Lee do their best, which is just about enough to make it bearable every once in a great while.

AVTAK - Agree somewhat. Utter tosh, but more watchable than one or two not on this list.

TLD - Don't agree. Probably in a minority of one, but I think this is actually the most overrated Bond film. Fine in and of itself, but doesn't warrant the plaudits it often gets.

[Professor Pi]

TND is Brosnan's most underrated movie.  Unless you really want to argue TWINE and DAD are better!? 

 

DAF is Connery's underrated venture as well.  I mean, I know it's bad, but I like to watch it.  Call it a guilty pleasure.

 

Octopussy needs to be on this list more than the other two Moore movies.

 

As for the others, I'm finding myself recommending or defending OHMSS and LTK more than the rest, at least to casual Bond fans.

 

Odd that they say QoS is below these choices.

[SecretAgentFan]

TND - Not underrated. Its first half is much better than the second, the whole film is enjoyable IMO, but it feels as rushed and chaotic as its production history was.

 

DAF - Underrated because too many reviewers just look at its campiness which puts it at the absolute opposite of the previous film OHMSS. But if you watch it without demanding it to be another serious OHMSS-style spy story it will be extremely fun and entertaining, paving the way for the Moore-era.

 

TMWTGG - Underrated because it actually is a very interesting variation on the Bond formula. Granted, there are missteps (Sheriff Pepper...), but with a fantastic villain and a terrifically tense first half this is a film to be rediscovered.

 

AVTAK - Underrated because it also was diminished by the press because Moore was seen as too old as the series itself at that point. Some "greatest hits"-moments did not help either. But this is actually a very down to earth-Bond film (after the ridiculous PTS), and the rare chance to see how a Bond film with a really aging Bond would be like.

 

TLD - Underrated? I always thought it was considered as one of the best films in the series. Which it is.

[Andrew]

My list would be...

 

QUANTUM OF SOLACE

LIVE AND LET DIE

THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN

 

I can't think of two more to fill out an underrated list. I'd say THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS but I don't think that's underrated among 007 fans; the general public, yes.

[tdalton]

My list would be...

 

QUANTUM OF SOLACE

LIVE AND LET DIE

 

Definitely agreed on those two. 

 

My list would be:

• Licence to Kill
• Quantum of Solace
• A View to a Kill
• Live and Let Die
• Either For Your Eyes Only or Dr. No

Edited by tdalton, 17 March 2013 - 04:39 AM.

[Andrew]

DR. NO is surprisingly underrated, especially since it being the original. Perhaps replace TMWTGG with that on my list.

 

I'm not even a huge fan of TMWTGG but it's not in the bottom five for me, like most other members.

[Guy Haines]

I'm surprised that TLD was in this list and FYEO wasn't. I don't remember much hate for TLD when it was released - quite the reverse, in fact, from most film critics, and it did very well indeed at the UK box office, staying top for several weeks.

 

FYEO - that film does tend to get underated now. But if you overlook the PTC scene and the dated phone call with Mrs T at the end, what you have is a pretty decent, down to earth Bond film. I think at the time of release it was appreciated by many fans as an antedote to the excesses of the film that preceded it, but has been overshadowed by most, but by no means all, of the films which followed.

[SecretAgentFan]

I remember FYEO being a huge success. The audiences I´ve watched it with all loved it. There was genuine excitement to get a new Bond film. And this was after TSWLM and MR really cleaned up at the box office. 

 

Even today I don´t think FYEO has been underrated - it has always been hailed as a "return to Fleming".

 

My choice of most underrated Bond films:

 

YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE

THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN

MOONRAKER

LICENCE TO KILL

THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH

DIE ANOTHER DAY
QUANTUM OF SOLACE

[Turn]

Looking back now, I may have jumped the gun in thinking about some of my underrated films. Maybe it was because I was at my inlaws, but they flipped through TV channels and happened upon QoS, picked it up right at the start of the Seville chase, and I was enthralled with it up until we left at the point M contacts CIA about Greene. I still think QoS gets too much flack. It's a solid film and now the redhead stepchild in between the twin titans of CR and SF. I've liked it since 2008 and will continue to champion it..

 

MR is another film I've found underrated over the years. It was the film that made me a big Bond fan instead of a casual fan way back when. I saw its reputation get shredded soon after, became the popular whipping boy and now I like seeing it appraised in a new light. Too much is focused on the silly humor and Jaws, but there are some great moments in this film.

 

I also thought TLD was a strange choice over LTK, but I also realized they were writing from a general fan perpective about Dalton as a whole and not just LTK. They were trying to say Dalton overall got undue flack from the public in general particularly after Brosnan took over. And TLD is an overall fine film. I've been championing LTK for many years as underrated.

 

A year ago I'd have had DN on the list, but I think a lot of the 50-year celebrations have placed it in proper perspective. No, it doesn't deserve the accolades FRWL, GF and TB get, but it has its own special place. I don't quite count it on my list, but find DAD more entertaining than it gets credit for. I see it for its entertainment value the way some view AVTAK, which for all my love of Walken, I just can't find any enthusiasm for.

[Hansen]

Octopussy (especially this great scene with Bond disguised a clown - Great acting from Moore - quite tense)

AVTAK very parodic but extremely likeable. Walkenand McNee are for something on that

TWINE could have been great thanks to Marceau and Carlyle but Purvis and Wade are lame Bond scriptwriters

LTK aging extremely well

[Walecs]

TND: Agree.
DAF: Agree because it was a great movie. Disagree because it had a silly Bond girl and lacked revenge plot elements/Bond's broken heart after the loss of Tracy (continuity with OHMSS).

TMWTGG: Agree.

AVTAK: Uncertain, because I like the movie, but I find Stacey annoying and the film boring in certain points (I think it's too long). You can definitely see Moore's age, but I admit he acts very well despite his age.

TLD: I didn't know it was underrated, anyway, agree.

 

Shouldn't OHMSS be on top of the list? It is considered by several people one of the worst movies of the series, yet it is one of the best.

[Turn]

Shouldn't OHMSS be on top of the list? It is considered by several people one of the worst movies of the series, yet it is one of the best.

Not necessarily anymore. Up to 15-20 years ago OHMSS would very well have been up there, but it's reputation has grown probably more than any other film in the series in that time. Those who think it's the worst based on a 1-time Bond actor being in it just aren't going to likely give it a chance and perceive it on its own merits anyway, so let them be. Look at a lot of fan polls and you'll see it gets its due.

 

In other words, those who get it get it.