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[seawolfnyy]

Since the other thread is meant to be for discussing Superman, I thought I'd create this so we can continue our argument over which Spiderman film is better: the 2002 Raimi film or Webb's 2012 reboot.

[SecretAgentFan]

Good idea!

 

I think Webb is taking the characters much more seriously, giving Peter Parker a much more believable context and more dramatic chances. Raimi, as in most of his films (except the brilliant "A simple plan") sticks to very broad characterizations, playing to the genre more than transcending it. Of course, at the time of the first Raimi-Spiderman, the idea of treating a comic book like a drama was not in fashion yet. But I do think that Raimi just likes his broader, over-the-top style.

 

What I particularly dislike about the first Raimi-Spiderman is the mask of the villain. Defoe is great - but having him disappear under this "thing" is a mistake IMO. True, Spiderman´s mask covers the whole face, too. But the Green Goblin just looks cheesy, too child´s play-like. I liked the more layered villain in Webb´s film, giving him depth and the chance to earn sympathy.

[thecasinoroyale]

I didn't mind the Raimi trilogy, but can't say I was a huge fan either.

 

I've not seen the new reboot on the fact I wasn't won over by Spider-Man on the big screen, but you guys are swaying me to see this new one.

[x007AceOfSpades]

The original Spider-Man is good, Spider-Man 2 is fantastic, Spider-Man 3 is terrible.

 

I've yet to see The Amazing Spider-Man, I've heard good things about it, even from SecretAgentFan. I'll rent it sometime this week.

[seawolfnyy]

I actually liked how the Green Goblin looked in Spiderman. They did a great job of making the Goblin look realistic. I think that collectively, Spidey 1 and 2 are two of the best comic book adaptations out there. Better than any of the Batman films and most of the current crop of Marvel films. Spidey 3 though is a complete disaster. It seemed like Raimi had run out of ideas, Dunst wasn't even remotely interested in the role and Maguire couldn't stop crying. The new one is good, but it just doesn't do enough to differentiate itself from the 2002 film. Also, they completely botched Uncle Ben's death scene.

[Cruiserweight]

I've been a Spider - Man fan since 1988 and i say the Amazing Spider -Man. Without question.

 

[Safari Suit]

I liked Amazing Spider-Man much more than Rami's films, but it wasn't, well, amazing. It was kind of messy, and some of the more interesting stuff hinted at in the trailers ended up (I guess) on the cutting room floor

[seawolfnyy]

I'd rank the 4 films:

 

1. Spiderman

2. Spiderman 2

3. Amazing Spiderman

47. Spideran 3

[Cruiserweight]

I'm sorry but it's almost like you have something against ASM.

[seawolfnyy]

I just think it was unnecessary to start all over and the film just doesn't appeal to me the same way that Spidey 1 and Spidey 2 do. Still better than the *$&*storm that is Spidey 3 though.

[Iceskater101]

1. Spiderman 2

2. The Amazing Spiderman

3. Spiderman

4. Spiderman 3

 

That's my ranking. I mean I think Raimi's take and Webb's take are very good for different reasons. I guess I don't understand why people are so upset that Webb started over. It is a reboot, meaning that they are going to re-explain how spiderman became spiderman so I didn't have a problem with that. I loved the casting, I do feel like Andrew Garfield was more nerdier and more how I pictured spiderman than Tobey Maguire. I do like J.J Jameson though in Raimi's trilogy. Spiderman 3 was so bad because it tried to add to many different characters. They had venom, sandman and the revenge of the son of the Green Goblin and I can't recall his name right now. That's way too many people with way different back stories in my opinion... That's why it was so bad.

[seawolfnyy]

I do really like the cast of ASM. The problem with it being a reboot is that it was completely unnecessary. I certainly don't hate the film, it just doesn't feel fresh and new. The Lizard sucked too.

[SecretAgentFan]

Hmm, disagree completely. I think it was necessary to move on from the Raimi-universe and re-establish Peter Parker as a young man.

 

And I don´t know what you mean about "botching Uncle Ben´s death". I think Webb really managed to make it much more emotional and interesting. A clear improvement from the Raimi-version. Also, what´s realistic about the Goblin mask? The comparisons with the "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" in the reviews back then were deserved IMO.

[PPK_19]

Hmm, disagree completely. I think it was necessary to move on from the Raimi-universe and re-establish Peter Parker as a young man.

 

Even if Andrew Garfield, who is playing Peter, will be 30 by the time the next film comes out! But he's suited to the role, he has a young face and i thought he played the role well in The Amazing Spider Man. 

 

Emma Stone is more believable as a love interest too, i hated Kirsten Dunst and the fact that she looked about 40 when she was meant to be playing a teenager. 

 

So yes, i thought TASM was a success and i look forward to the second instalment. 

[S K Y F A L L]

I like how in The Amazing Spider Man he uses a device to shot webs instead of it being produced by his body. I also like the Gwyn Stacy story line and its great that they used the Lizard man as a villain so the film didn't feel like the previous ones. 

I think this series could do as many as 5 films but a trilogy is at least expected and then perhaps they'll reboot it again as the Spectacular Spider Man etc.

I don't think the Amazing Spiderman will make the mistake they did with Spider Man 3 by overloading it with villains. I believe the only ones planned for the sequel are Osborn and Electro, thus far but we can only hope. To be honest I think I've out grown Spider Man, its a kids game IMO. I also didn't like the Green Goblin in the original. 

[seawolfnyy]

And I don´t know what you mean about "botching Uncle Ben´s death". I think Webb really managed to make it much more emotional and interesting. A clear improvement from the Raimi-version. Also, what´s realistic about the Goblin mask? The comparisons with the "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" in the reviews back then were deserved IMO.

The botching of Uncle Ben's death is because in the comics Ben dies the way it happens in the first film. Peter uses his powers to be a masked wrestler and allows a burglar to escape who kills Uncle Ben. I thought the scene was better in the 2002 film as it was more faithful to the comics. Also, ASM didn't have Ben's famous quote "with great power, comes great responsibility" which was probably because it was so extensively used in the Raimi trilogy, but it's Ben's death and that line that make Peter become a superhero. Also, the mask, while I do agree it resembles the Power Rangers mask, I think it looks like something you could easily make and something a masked villain could wear. As opposed to the CGI Lizard.

 

The thing about Garfield's age, while incredibly dumb for a high schooler is pretty much on par for Hollywood. Maguire was 26 in Spidey 1, when the character was in high school for half the film. Granted his Peter was mostly a college student, but he was still even too old. I, personally, love Kirsten Dunst and thought she was great as MJ....in the first 2 films. She was utterly terrible in Spiderman 3 and looked like she had no interest in the film.

[Iceskater101]

Actually after watching the Amazing Spiderman, I have to say that it is better than the Raimi trilogy. (Not bashing the Raimi trilogy because I do think it's good) I like it for a few reasons. I feel like Andrew Garfield had more of a nerdier, and more awkward presence which is what I picture for Peter Parker. The casting was excellent! Emma Stone played a really good Gwen Stacy, she was emotional when she needed to be and everything felt so real. I overall feel that the Amazing Spiderman is just the better movie, I think that everyone was well cast, the story felt very real to me and I honestly was pleasantly surprised.

 

However, the animation of the Lizard could have been better, that's my only disagreement.

Other than that..

 

1. The Amazing Spiderman

2. Spiderman 2

3. Spiderman 1

4. Spiderman 3

[seawolfnyy]

Alright, I'll play along. I guess I'll have to watch it again and make a reassessment.

[S K Y F A L L]

Its hard to compare the two, if I remember correctly it was just a big deal that they got the Spider Man suit to work let alone how much harder it would have been to do a character like Lizard Man in 2002. Who would have guessed that Tobey Maguire and Kristen Dunst would have got together and then split up between SM2 and 3, I didn't like either of them anyway.

 

I one major difference between the films is that Peters parents aren't really mentioned in the original trilogy and they have a more prominent role this time around.

 

For me Spider Man The Animated Series of the 90s was the end all and be all of what Spider Man was. 

[Iceskater101]

Alright, I'll play along. I guess I'll have to watch it again and make a reassessment.

 

You should! I mean I respect your opinion, but I believe the Amazing Spiderman is the better film.

[marktmurphy]

Amazing Spider Man is very bland; I saw it the other day. There's no sense of wonder, nothing very touching about it. The action scenes are fairly ordinary and there aren't even any funny gags. I'd say Raimi's Spider Man is by far the better film.

[sharpshooter]

Amazing Spider Man is very bland; I saw it the other day. There's no sense of wonder, nothing very touching about it. The action scenes are fairly ordinary and there aren't even any funny gags. I'd say Raimi's Spider Man is by far the better film.

Agreed. TASM is alright, but for me it doesn't have the charm of Raimi's film, which I prefer.

[FutureJamesBond]

1. Spiderman 2

2. The Amazing Spiderman

3. Spiderman 1

4. Spiderman 3

[Cruiserweight]

I'd consider myself the absolute biggest Spider-Man fan on this board and cannot understand how anyone could like the original series more then the ASM. Also, films change from the source material all the time. Take the Avengers film for example, they seriously depower Thor in that film to make it seem like Iron Man could pose a threat to him. Anyone who has read the comics know that's simply not the case.

[marktmurphy]

1. Spiderman 2

2. The Amazing Spiderman

3. Spiderman 1

4. Spiderman 3

 

Well I agree on your number 1. I tend to think that Spider Man 2 might be the best superhero film so far. Superman The Movie might tie with it because it's so evocative (plotwise I think it's not all that great but it's so emotive to watch it sort of doesn't matter).

[Iceskater101]

I'd consider myself the absolute biggest Spider-Man fan on this board and cannot understand how anyone could like the original series more then the ASM. Also, films change from the source material all the time. Take the Avengers film for example, they seriously depower Thor in that film to make it seem like Iron Man could pose a threat to him. Anyone who has read the comics know that's simply not the case.

 

I definitely agree. I can't believe that people are saying that the Amazing Spiderman is bland. I guess I think that there is a lot of emotion in the film, I think that Andrew Garfield has a better portrayal of Peter Parker because he is so nerdy and cute! I mean I guess I find that there is a lot of emotion in the Amazing Spiderman.

[seawolfnyy]

I might pick TASM up from redbox and watch it again this weekend. I don't know that it'll change my opinion of it much, but in my mind Spiderman 1 and 2 are easily 2 of the best superhero films ever. I think I would like TASM more if it weren't for the first 2 Raimi entries. On a different note, I'm playing through TASM game on PS3 and must say that I am thoroughly impressed. It is presented as a sequel to the film and expands on the relationship between Peter and Gwen. I would definitely say it is the best Spidey game since Spiderman 2 on PS2.

[Iceskater101]

I want to play that spiderman game really bad! I have heard really good things about it.

[seawolfnyy]

So after viewing TASM for a second time, my thoughts are pretty much unchanged.

Pros:

-Great Cast

-Acting is fantastic

-Great directing

-Good special effects

Cons:

-Too similar to 2002 film

-Score is terrible

-Weak Villain (although Rhys Ifans does a good job with what he has)

-Middle of the film is sluggish

 

Don't get me wrong, it's a very good film. Certainly better than any DC movie (exempting Batman Begins). I just think it falls short of greatness. And as such my list is still unchanged: Spiderman, Spiderman 2, Amazing Spiderman and followed way down the line by Spiderman 3.

[Cruiserweight]

SUch a shame

 

So after viewing TASM for a second time, my thoughts are pretty much unchanged.

Pros:

-Great Cast

-Acting is fantastic

-Great directing

-Good special effects

Cons:

-Too similar to 2002 film

-Score is terrible

-Weak Villain (although Rhys Ifans does a good job with what he has)

-Middle of the film is sluggish

 

Don't get me wrong, it's a very good film. Certainly better than any DC movie (exempting Batman Begins). I just think it falls short of greatness. And as such my list is still unchanged: Spiderman, Spiderman 2, Amazing Spiderman and followed way down the line by Spiderman 3.

Such a shame.