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[Colossus]

Here he had a sort of unique one, it was not at all the machismo Bond of the cold war years obviously, nor was it "i respect women a lot!!!" type of the 90s/00s yet he just got with one here, and traded witty dialogue with another there, and with M especially too he also changed a bit, now not so head-butting anymore but just in comfort mostly. Basically i mean they did not hit us over the head that he is either A)the screwmaster of the masculilne era or B)a feminist "understanding man" either but just not making a big deal out of either of those 2 options just BEING with women. Very unique. Why is it so hard to just "be" these years?!

[Miles Miservy]

As long as she's not married to a villain, bathing in oil or sporting a shot glass on her head, she'll do all right.

[perdogg]

The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.

[Judo chop]

The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.

In fact, Bond utterly commands Solange in CR.
In fact, Bond makes agent Fields his love puppet in QOS.
In fact, Bond blows some time with an unnamed object in SF.
In fact, Bond crumbles Severine’s guard like it was made of potato chips, also in SF.

Just getting the facts straight here.

Assuming you recognize the importance of deeper emotional dimensions in his relationship with Vesper, and also the need for equal footing to form a relationship of mutual respect with Moneypenny, what I’m reading here is that you have a problem with the fact that Bond didn’t surprise-bang Camille in the sinkhole. Er… while in the sinkhole, I mean.

Or is it the bedding of M you were hoping for?

[Double-0-Seven]

I liked the relationship between Bond and Solange. It felt like it came right out of the early Connery movies with a great mix of business and pleasure. He's only using her to get to Dimitrios.

Love this exchange:

Bond: Can I ask you a personal question?
Solange: Now would seem like an appropriate time.
Bond: Does the word Ellipsis mean anything to you?

And of course when he orders room service for one as he takes off without a care.

Craig has had a great mix of Bond girls so far. He's had a serious relationship (Vesper), a great colleague (Camille), a disposable pleasure (Fields - I mean, he literally sleeps with her just to pass the time), the aforementioned 'business' contact (Solange), and in Skyfall:

Spoiler

He uses the fact that Severine is "owned" by Silva in order to get to Silva himself and barely blinks an eye when she's killed. Pretty dark, and again, echoes Connery who's Bond had no remorse about using women. I'd count Eve, but we all know who she is and how their relationship will probably go.

[perdogg]

The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.

In fact, Bond utterly commands Solange in CR.
In fact, Bond makes agent Fields his love puppet in QOS.
In fact, Bond blows some time with an unnamed object in SF.
In fact, Bond crumbles Severine’s guard like it was made of potato chips, also in SF.

Just getting the facts straight here.

Assuming you recognize the importance of deeper emotional dimensions in his relationship with Vesper, and also the need for equal footing to form a relationship of mutual respect with Moneypenny, what I’m reading here is that you have a problem with the fact that Bond didn’t surprise-bang Camille in the sinkhole. Er… while in the sinkhole, I mean.

Or is it the bedding of M you were hoping for?

You seemed to be offended by my opinion. The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.

We do not know any context to why he is screwing the island girl, maybe as rent for his diggs. The sex scene with Severine lacks any relevance to the story nor to the characters. My guess is it was thrown in to satisfy the "Fifty shades" crowd who were dragged along with their husbands or boyfriends or generally to satisfy the notion that Bond does have sex. My impression of the scene was that Bond only pursued her sexually because she indicated she wanted sex, not directly.

It is not like the days of yore where Dalton-Bond lands on the boat and tells the office he is going to be late because he just landed on a boat with a good looking woman. It is all context.

[Hockey Mask]

The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.

Bond snuck into her shower no tthe other way around.

[Judo chop]

You seemed to be offended by my opinion.

Not at all offended. Just completely in disagreement with.

The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.

By ‘formalistic’, do you mean ‘according to formula’? Or, in other words, ‘traditional’? In any case, your original complaint was that Craig’s Bond “doesn’t like women”. That he isn’t the sexual aggressor, but rather, that he is a passive participant, waiting for women to approach him. A claim that is utter poppycock as I pointed out.

We do not know any context to why he is screwing the island girl

I think it’s safe to say he’s passing the time with one of his preferred vices. All according to character tradition.

The sex scene with Severine lacks any relevance to the story nor to the characters. My impression of the scene was that Bond only pursued her sexually because she indicated she wanted sex

When did she indicate this? What she indicated for certain is that she dared to hold out a sliver of hope that Bond would be able to free her from her captor. She expected Bond to be dead, more likely than not. Bond follows her trail to meet her captor. In the meantime… he easily seduces her. There are dozens of examples of a similar situation in previous Bond films.

It is not like the days of yore where Dalton-Bond lands on the boat and tells the office he is going to be late because he just landed on a boat with a good looking woman. It is all context.

What?

Say he is sleeping with the beach house girl “as rent for his diggs”, as you suggest. Do you want this to be explicitly stated in the film for the sake of richer context? If so, how would this be more like the ‘days of yore’?

What on earth is your point?

[jamie00007]

You seemed to be offended by my opinion. The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.

How is legitimate relationships with women like Vesper "contrived and formalistic"?? And its a good thing none of the other conquests in the older films were at all "contrived and formalistic"...

You people complain when he has legitimate relationships because its not formula and Bond should just be getting a leg over for the hell of it and you complain when he does get a leg over for the hell of it because its "contrived and formalistic". You've just managed to do both. You're complaining that sex with Severine wasnt relevant to the story and that "we dont know why hes screwing the island girl" (I can think of a few good reasons) and you're complaining that you long for "the days of yore" when Bond landed on a boat and had it off with an attractive woman he found on it. So which is it?

And how does Bond only get it on if the woman initiates it? Solange? Nope. That was Bond. Vesper? Nope. Fields? Definitely not. Severine? Nope. So who? I can think of plenty of Bond girls who initiated it with Bond in the older films though. Were they all eunuchs?

Edited by jamie00007, 20 November 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[MkB]

The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.

In fact, it's spelt "eunuch".

[perdogg]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

[Judo chop]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.

Ok, all done, bye-bye.

[perdogg]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.

Ok, all done, bye-bye.

She's a writter, I am not.

[Dustin]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.

Ok, all done, bye-bye.

She's a writter, I am not.

Obviously...

[perdogg]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.

Ok, all done, bye-bye.

She's a writter, I am not.

Obviously...

Whatever.

[sharpshooter]

Well, Craig scored three times in my book. With the woman at the start while "enjoying death". The first person in the Craigverse not to die after making love with Bond. Then there's Eve - It's implied during their casino back and forth conversation, but ambiguous enough because we don't see it. And of course Severine in the shower, who continues the Solange, Vesper and Fields trend after getting shot by Silva.

[FlemingBond]

in a way i think they've gotten closer to the Novels. I mean Bond didn't always end up with the girl or sleep with her. Just like in QOS, he didn't sleep with the main Bond girl. Here he did...but it was so brief. I'm so glad in this one there were women, but we didn't have one paired up as Bond's "partner" like in moost of them. tired of that.

[Trevelyan 006]

I'm so glad in this one there were women, but we didn't have one paired up as Bond's "partner" like in moost of them. tired of that.

I'd like to second that, as the women in some of the Bond films just seem like tag-alongs. They should be there to foil or complement the Bond character, not become his sidekick...

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 26 November 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[JimmyBond]

This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:

"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."

what she said about Severine

"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!

Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"

I'm failing to see the point here. So a female friend of yours has an opinion. Everyone does, if I remember correctly. Is hers supposed to be more valid than others?

Edited by JimmyBond, 27 November 2012 - 12:40 AM.