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[Aisforauric]

Hoped that would get your attention, Fellow Agents.

Not one to let sleeping dogs lie, or stray rounds unaccounted for, I'm pleased to proffer a neat solution to the 'exactly where did Eve's bullet go' conundrum. It only requires a very slight change to the film (one which makes more sense I think, anyway). Enjoy.....

During the PTS shootout on the train trailer, rather than toss his empty gun away (which makes no sense anyway, ammunition is far easier to find than a new sidearm), he quickly reholsters it in his shoulder holster.

The rest of the film continues exactly as we see it.

In that lovely moment on the rooftop in the penultimate scene of the film, when Eve gives Bond the box containing the bulldog, Bond reaches in to his pocket, and says something along the lines of....

"I also have a keepsake for you"

He hands her his PPK, with Eve's bullet still lodged in it's butt. Bond walks past her and gently reminds her;

"Like I said, nowhere serious...."

[Vauxhall]

Fun idea!

On the same topic, do we have any weaponry experts who could conclude whether Eve's rifle could have been loaded with rubber bullets, and whether they would be effective at knocking a target off a train at such a distance?

[Aisforauric]

Fun idea!

On the same topic, do we have any weaponry experts who could conclude whether Eve's rifle could have been loaded with rubber bullets, and whether they would be effective at knocking a target off a train at such a distance?

The Olympic Arms/ 'AR15 derivative' assault rifle Eve's handling probably couldn't, but I did find the following article regarding semi-automatic weapons firing much larger rubber rounds (i.e. 40mm or so).

http://www.newscient...wd-control.html

[Dustin]

Interesting idea, Aisforauric.

[MattofSteel]

Would've ruined the whole 'scar' running visual and theme, but I love the idea.

[mttvolcano]

Would've ruined the whole 'scar' running visual and theme, but I love the idea.

The scar was from the gun of whom he was fighting wasn't it?

[MkB]

I like this idea, Aisforauric! Nicer than the invisible bulletproof vest we have to deduce...

[MattofSteel]

Would've ruined the whole 'scar' running visual and theme, but I love the idea.

The scar was from the gun of whom he was fighting wasn't it?

The shrapnel hit him there. But the implication, presumably, is that's where Eve hit him as well.

[MkB]

On the same topic, do we have any weaponry experts who could conclude whether Eve's rifle could have been loaded with rubber bullets, and whether they would be effective at knocking a target off a train at such a distance?

I'm not a weaponry expert, but a litle research I did seems to show that rubber bullets are meant only for short-range, not long-range like Eve's rifle.

The shrapnel hit him there. But the implication, presumably, is that's where Eve hit him as well.

I don't think there's room for shrapnel + bullet hole on this little scar. Plus, had she hit him there, the result would not have been 4 broken ribs.
The only possibility I can see is that he was wearing a very discreet ballistic vest. It stopped Eve's bullet, but the depleted uranium shrapnel managed to pierce it.

[Aris007]

Very good idea this one. And it'd fill the gap in the plot. I saw the film twice and it remains to be explained how Bond survived the shot.

On the same topic, do we have any weaponry experts who could conclude whether Eve's rifle could have been loaded with rubber bullets, and whether they would be effective at knocking a target off a train at such a distance?

I'm not a weaponry expert, but a litle research I did seems to show that rubber bullets are meant only for short-range, not long-range like Eve's rifle.

I believe police forces use plastic bullets fired from riffles in riots. But then again it wouldn't make much sense to use not-deadly amunition in such a vital operation.

[Goldbadge]

My feeling was the damaged ribs came from the fall and landing in the water, but if he did have a vest capable of stopping that round, it is quite common to experience blunt force trauma behind the vest, especially if the round doesn't hit the trauma plate that typically covers the heart area. Additionally, where Patrice's round hit is usually not covered by a standard under-shirt vest. Usually you only see coverage where he got hit when you're wearing an external vest such as swat teams might wear. Guess we'll have to look over that PTS footage cloesly and look for signs of a vest under his shirt lol.

Edited by Goldbadge, 20 November 2012 - 12:49 AM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

My feeling was the damaged ribs came from the fall and landing in the water, but if he did have a vest capable of stopping that round, it is quite common to experience blunt force trauma behind the vest, especially if the round doesn't hit the trauma plate that typically covers the heart area. Additionally, where Patrice's round hit is usually not covered by a standard under-shirt vest. Usually you only see coverage where he got hit when you're wearing an external vest such as swat teams might wear. Guess we'll have to look over that PTS footage cloesly and look for signs of a vest under his shirt lol.

 

Doubt he had a vest. Otherwhise, why would he got blood in the shoulder after Patrice's shoot?

[thecasinoroyale]

Good point - and as Bond is in the Secret Service, I doubt he would wear a vest, he never has before as it would probably hinder him more than help.

[Aisforauric]

Good point - and as Bond is in the Secret Service, I doubt he would wear a vest, he never has before as it would probably hinder him more than help.

Quite.....

[RMc2]

If you look at his lower left side when he sinks into the water after falling, you can see a hole in his shirt and bubbles coming out - i think this is meant to air escaping from the wound from Eve's shot. I love it!

[The Shark]

Good point - and as Bond is in the Secret Service, I doubt he would wear a vest, he never has before as it would probably hinder him more than help.

 

Craig's Bond is also ex-SBS and Black Ops, so there would be a precedent.

[seawolfnyy]

It was my understanding that she hit his ribs. Granted we never see that scar, but I thought I remember him saying something about it.

[thecasinoroyale]

If you look at his lower left side when he sinks into the water after falling, you can see a hole in his shirt and bubbles coming out - i think this is meant to air escaping from the wound from Eve's shot. I love it!

 

Yes! I saw that on my 3rd screening - the detail to that wound and the almost "urgh!" impact of the bubbles coming out were very graphic but a nice touch so deffo an open wound there...!

[JazzyBond]

Also if you freeze frame when Bond first gets hit and is falling off the train you can see a bloody patch on his shirt from where he was hit by Patrice over his right shoulder and on that same side a bloody patch around his ribs. You do definitely see the patch with air bubbles when he hits the water as well. Seeing these scenes along with him telling Eve he had some broken ribs and it didn't hit anything major as he points to his ribs solves the mystery for me. Thank god because it was bugging me lol!

Edited by JazzyBond, 19 December 2012 - 12:03 PM.