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#1 MkB

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:21 AM

The one thing about Bond's personality that I neither understand or share is his passion for gambling. I do not find gambling and casinos glamorous or even remotely interesting, and I am really disappointed that Fleming chose this feature to illustrate Bond's love of challenge and struggle with luck, or willingness to take responsibility for his fate.

Why disappointed? Let me explain...

Let us go back to this extract from Casino Royale, where Fleming explains what Bond likes about gambling:

“Above all, he liked it that everything was one’s own fault. There was only oneself to praise or blame. Luck was a servant and not a master. Luck had to be accepted with a shrug or taken advantage of up to the hilt. But it had to be understood and recognized for what it was and not confused with a faulty appreciation of the odds, for, at gambling, the deadly sin is to mistake bad play for bad luck. And luck in all its moods had to be loved and not feared.”


Now imagine that instead of gambling this extract was about sailing... All that Fleming says here about gambling is, in my humble opinion, much truer about sailing. Am I the only one who thinks that it would be much more suited to a navy commander? And that the physical challenge and the wilderness of elements at sea would be more suited to reflect Bond's personality?

#2 AMC Hornet

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:16 AM

Commander James Bond, CMG, RNVR.

He's been sailing. When he's ashore, he likes challenges akin to sailing.

Anyway, he was chosen for the Royale mission because he was a gambler. If leChiffre had been attempting to fix the Americas cup, Bond might still have been chosen. Fleming, a former naval commander and gambler, chose to write about what he knew and enjoyed.

What Fleming says about gambling he also says about fast driving, scuba diving, skiing, etc. Perhaps he wasn't all that fond of small boats (keep in mind that Fleming was deskbound through most of the war - his experience with sailing may have been limited).

That's my take, anyway. Bond eventually did some sailing in Dr. No and Colonel Sun, and went back into active service aboard HMCS Invincible in Win, Lose or Die, and he did all sorts of physical 'gambling' besides - golf, smuggling, mountain climbing and Harrier dogfighting, to name a few.

That's enough for me. At my age, just reading about such pastimes leaves me exhausted.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:32 AM

Commander James Bond, CMG, RNVR.

He's been sailing. When he's ashore, he likes challenges akin to sailing.



Well, actually no, he has not really been sailing in the Fleming canon. Bond admits it himself in Thunderball:

“I was in intelligence – RNVR Special Branch. Strictly a chocolate sailor”.


Just like Fleming, as you point it.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:53 AM

You have to remember that you looking at Casino's and Gambling in a completely different context to when Fleming wrote Bond, they were alot more like Gentleman's Clubs than the Vegas style Casino's we see now a days. It was a sign of Bond's status as a Gentleman (taken again from Fleming) you had to be able to afford to gamble, but you also had to be a certain type of person to be allowed in. (The only exception to this of course is Diamonds Are Forever, but as critics have observed for the last fifty years Bond seemed very out of place in this kind of environment)

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:43 PM

I suppose the gambling may have also had a distinct significance for Fleming himself. Firstly, he was for the longest time dependent on his mother's goodwill and allowance, and probably really considered himself 'poor' - relatively speaking to his class, his fellows at Eton and later the upper crust set he was hanging out with. Fleming didn't come from 'old money', his grandfather had been the one who made the step from working class to wealth, and this particular class often came with a mindset much more snobbish than the 'real' upper class.

Due to a - at the time not unusual - arrangement Fleming's father willed the majority of his estate in a trust to his children. A trust from which Fleming's mother was to draw an income of £ 3,000 a year, as long as she didn't remarry. And she didn't. So in effect Fleming's sons were dependent on her for funds, a crucial influence the highly critical, ambitious and protective Eve Fleming had no qualms to exert as long as she could. So Fleming for the best part of his adult life had to make do with significantly limited funds - compared to most of his friends and acquaintances - and had to appease his mother's demanding nature (who apparently was called "Em" by the boys). There is reason to assume Fleming wasn't a happy man during those years.

Practically his entire life he had been fascinated by wealth, by fortunes and 'the rich' in general; and perhaps deep inside he may privately have held a grudge against a fate that refused him the place in life he felt he rightfully belonged to. With this mindset you look at a pastime where large sums of money change hands in a playful way by a kind of 'gentleman agreement' and under the influence of luck and fate with totally different eyes. Here was something that supposedly provided the riches he did not own himself, although he undoubtedly belonged to the rich part of society. And all it took to succeed here was luck and nerve, so much less than what his mother called for whenever her plans for him didn't work out. Fleming was fascinated by gambling because it seemed to provide - from afar, that is - a way out of his dilemma.

Fleming's fascination for the topic of course also went into his work. But his writing shows gambling in a much more romantic light than reality would allow. He once claimed he didn't gamble often any more and generally won about as much as he lost, or a little more. But the facts of course don't support any stories about supposed riches he made at the baccarat or roulette table. Neither did he excel at that other big casino he briefly worked at, London's City. Luck just wasn't on his side and Fleming was aware of that. Perhaps he also feared the danger of losing all control in the attempt to 'win back' losses, as he doubtlessly had witnessed a few times.

Still, the fascination held and in the end Fleming found a way to use it - profitably use it - and make sure his alter-ego won.

Edited by Dustin, 22 August 2012 - 05:47 PM.