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[Miles Miservy]

If Sanchez was holding onto Bond's passport, howcome he did not realize that Bond was in Key West the same day that Krest's warehouse was raided?

Furthermore, wouldn't any kind of background check on OO7 reveal a connection to Felix?

[Jim]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

[AMC Hornet]

Fake passport?

On the other hand, Krest had just reported being ripped off for six million dollars. The next day a guy shows up with five million dollars and puts it in Sanchez's bank. Two days later, the money is withdrawn just as Krest arrives with $5m 'hidden' aboard his yacht (it would have been counted after it was 'laundered').

Bond's ability to stay even half a step ahead had to hinge on Killifer not bothering to mention to Sanchez that anyone - especially not a British agent named Bond - went 'along for the ride' when Sanchez was captured.

Not odds I'd want to play.

[Dustin]

Actually - would Bond's passport show he was in Key West? His entry into the US could have been days, weeks earlier, probably via Miami. But he didn't depart by a legal border checkpoint, did he? So all Sanchez would know by looking at Bond's passport would be he's been in the US recently. Hardly suspicious for a 'problem solver', lots of problems there to solve. You could spend a lifetime solving problems there. Somebody's lifetime, anyway...

[AMC Hornet]

Like they say on Family Feud:

"Good ansa! Good ansa!"

[thecasinoroyale]

I doubt he even checked - the fact Sanchez found out he was former British Secret Service, that was probably enough of a 'check' for his smug face.

[DR76]

I bet anyone could find plot holes in just about every James Bond film made. Someone could create a book on that topic alone.

[marktmurphy]

I don't even get my passport stamped every time.

[Messervy]

Actually - would Bond's passport show he was in Key West? His entry into the US could have been days, weeks earlier, probably via Miami. But he didn't depart by a legal border checkpoint, did he? So all Sanchez would know by looking at Bond's passport would be he's been in the US recently.

My thoughts too.
Just a neutral stamp on a passport.

[harry stotle]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

[Dustin]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I wonder, is reality measured in tonnes?

That aside I don't really think anybody is in doubt about the cinematic nature of the films. We've ripped that myth apart numerous times here, nothing left of it beyond the confetti you see on the floor. And it does not really address the core of the matter. A story, any story, can be as outlandish as it wants to be. But it must uphold an inner logic, the characters mustn't act entirely out of context or against their own nature and motivation, that would end the illusion and the whole thing would fall apart. But I grant you the passport here isn't such a case.

By the way, welcome to CBn.

Edited by Dustin, 11 July 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[Jim]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I've been so blind. You're right, its merits as the documentary I was taking it to be are slightly questionable.

[harry stotle]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I wonder, is reality measured in tonnes?

That aside I don't really think anybody is in doubt about the cinematic nature of the films. We've ripped that myth apart numerous times here, nothing left of it beyond the confetti you see on the floor. And it does not really address the core of the matter. A story, any story, can be as outlandish as it wants to be. But it must uphold an inner logic, the characters mustn't act entirely out of context or against their own nature and motivation, that would end the illusion and the whole thing would fall apart. But I grant you the passport here isn't such a case.

By the way, welcome to CBn.

Thanks, I have always enjoyed reading these forums, but I have always found it amazing how people who claim they are big fans of something then spend their time pulling it apart over small little things, like I say at the end of the day they are only films, save your forensic analysis for things that do matter.

[Messervy]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I wonder, is reality measured in tonnes?

That aside I don't really think anybody is in doubt about the cinematic nature of the films. We've ripped that myth apart numerous times here, nothing left of it beyond the confetti you see on the floor. And it does not really address the core of the matter. A story, any story, can be as outlandish as it wants to be. But it must uphold an inner logic, the characters mustn't act entirely out of context or against their own nature and motivation, that would end the illusion and the whole thing would fall apart. But I grant you the passport here isn't such a case.

By the way, welcome to CBn.

Thanks, I have always enjoyed reading these forums, but I have always found it amazing how people who claim they are big fans of something then spend their time pulling it apart over small little things, like I say at the end of the day they are only films, save your forensic analysis for things that do matter.

Indeed. Like why on Earth Sanchez's men didn't notice Bond's tuxedo wasn't the same as the waiters' ones. He just could not blend-in and get into the elevator as if he were one of the crew. I'm really amazed no-one noticed that before.

[AMC Hornet]

Sanchez's men were a bunch of overdressed thugs; they wouldn't recognize a quality kit if they saw one - which they did.

Besides, we don't know that Bond was travelling with his own rig this time. He may have rented it from the same shop in Isthmus that fits Sanchez's goon squad (except the cummerbund, which was supplied by Uncle Q).

[Messervy]

Sanchez's men were a bunch of overdressed thugs; they wouldn't recognize a quality kit if they saw one - which they did.

Besides, we don't know that Bond was travelling with his own rig this time. He may have rented it from the same shop in Isthmus that fits Sanchez's goon squad (except the cummerbund, which was supplied by Uncle Q).

Ok but then why didn't the guy at the other side of the elevator notice there was no waiter with the tray? One man enters the elevator, no-one leaves, and the guys don't notice? So many holes in this plot.

Edited by Messervy, 11 July 2012 - 04:14 PM.

[Dustin]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I wonder, is reality measured in tonnes?

That aside I don't really think anybody is in doubt about the cinematic nature of the films. We've ripped that myth apart numerous times here, nothing left of it beyond the confetti you see on the floor. And it does not really address the core of the matter. A story, any story, can be as outlandish as it wants to be. But it must uphold an inner logic, the characters mustn't act entirely out of context or against their own nature and motivation, that would end the illusion and the whole thing would fall apart. But I grant you the passport here isn't such a case.

By the way, welcome to CBn.

Thanks, I have always enjoyed reading these forums, but I have always found it amazing how people who claim they are big fans of something then spend their time pulling it apart over small little things, like I say at the end of the day they are only films, save your forensic analysis for things that do matter.

Oh, but forensic analysis is a sub-division of fandom. Some of us prefer the films, analyse the cinematography, music, scripts, editing; others prefer the books, go into the tiniest details, cloths, brands, calibres and whathaveyou. Nothing is beyond interest or discussion, there's an unlimited bandwidth of topics related to Bond, all of them qualified for intensive scrutiny as much as anything else, plot-holes not the least of them.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

Sanchez's men were a bunch of overdressed thugs; they wouldn't recognize a quality kit if they saw one - which they did.

Besides, we don't know that Bond was travelling with his own rig this time. He may have rented it from the same shop in Isthmus that fits Sanchez's goon squad (except the cummerbund, which was supplied by Uncle Q).

Ok but then why didn't the guy at the other side of the elevator notice there was no waiter with the tray? One man enters the elevator, no-one leaves, and the guys don't notice? So many holes in this plot.

Well it's unlikely the guy on the top floor knew for sure there was someone in the lift with the tray. The only way he could know that would be if he'd been on the ground floor at the time Bond got on, run up the stairs at lightning pace and then run to the lift door to wheel the tray out. And does it really matter anyway? It leads up to a great scene ("watch the birdy you bastard!") so we shouldn't care really!

[MajorB]

Because he doesn't do the checking; he hands this task over to Bouffant Useless Fatman who (let's be generous and assume this awful film is capable of this subtlety) sits on this information to help his own position cutting a deal with the CIA.

Alternatively it's as plausible as the original lack of scrutiny in The Man with the Golden Gun, which this "adapts", loosely.

Most films don't stand up to close scrutiny!!, but the main thing to remember is that it is a FILM!!!!, if you want reality go out of your front door you will find tonnes of it out there.

I wonder, is reality measured in tonnes?

That aside I don't really think anybody is in doubt about the cinematic nature of the films. We've ripped that myth apart numerous times here, nothing left of it beyond the confetti you see on the floor. And it does not really address the core of the matter. A story, any story, can be as outlandish as it wants to be. But it must uphold an inner logic, the characters mustn't act entirely out of context or against their own nature and motivation, that would end the illusion and the whole thing would fall apart. But I grant you the passport here isn't such a case.

By the way, welcome to CBn.

Thanks, I have always enjoyed reading these forums, but I have always found it amazing how people who claim they are big fans of something then spend their time pulling it apart over small little things, like I say at the end of the day they are only films, save your forensic analysis for things that do matter.

Oh, but forensic analysis is a sub-division of fandom. Some of us prefer the films, analyse the cinematography, music, scripts, editing; others prefer the books, go into the tiniest details, cloths, brands, calibres and whathaveyou. Nothing is beyond interest or discussion, there's an unlimited bandwidth of topics related to Bond, all of them qualified for intensive scrutiny as much as anything else, plot-holes not the least of them.

Excellently said!

[Messervy]

Sanchez's men were a bunch of overdressed thugs; they wouldn't recognize a quality kit if they saw one - which they did. Besides, we don't know that Bond was travelling with his own rig this time. He may have rented it from the same shop in Isthmus that fits Sanchez's goon squad (except the cummerbund, which was supplied by Uncle Q).

Ok but then why didn't the guy at the other side of the elevator notice there was no waiter with the tray? One man enters the elevator, no-one leaves, and the guys don't notice? So many holes in this plot.

Well it's unlikely the guy on the top floor knew for sure there was someone in the lift with the tray. The only way he could know that would be if he'd been on the ground floor at the time Bond got on, run up the stairs at lightning pace and then run to the lift door to wheel the tray out. And does it really matter anyway? It leads up to a great scene ("watch the birdy you bastard!") so we shouldn't care really!

But they all have walkie-talkie, so one assumes they're in constant contact. You see, holes...

[Miles Miservy]

Got way more than I bargained for.
Thanks guys.

[Messervy]

Got way more than I bargained for. Thanks guys.

"We aim to please"

[Colossus]

Who said to save forensics for real life... well this is a bond board, what WESUPPOSED TO DO?!?!?!?! Rank our Bonds for the millionth time.

[AMC Hornet]

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