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The best Fleming Bond novels/stories based on following criteria


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#1 perdogg

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

  • Structure
  • Plot/Storyline
  • Fleming’s Style
  • Character development
  • Realism

The Best

Casino Royale
Live and Let Die
Moonraker
Dr No
"From A View to A Kill"
"For Your Eyes Only"
"Risico"
Thunderball
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
You Only Live Twice
"The Living Daylights"

The Middle

Diamonds Are Forever
"The Hildebrand Rarity"
The Spy Who Loved Me
"Octopussy"
"The Property of a Lady"

The Worst

Goldfinger
"Quantum of Solace"
The Man With The Golden Gun
"007 in New York"

Edited by perdogg, 06 July 2012 - 03:21 PM.


#2 Trevelyan 006

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

If we are talking criteria, don't forget detail! (OR FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE FOR THAT MATTER) : )

The painstaking detail explained though settings and even characters themselves in Fleming's writing is second-to-none...
Among the best concerning detail would be: From Russia With Love, Dr. No, Thunderball, etc...

#3 Dustin

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

I wonder if it's fair to include '007 in New York' there at all. After all it's not that long, so to measure it by the same criteria as the others - structure, character development, so on - seems odd.

That aside this is roughly how I looked for years at the canon. Only recently I my opinion on THUNDERBALL has changed somewhat. Today I think the whole shambles about the film script and the different versions thereof show in the book, and I'd really rather a book without the screen influence. I think there is some lost potential in THUNDERBALL that was only realised later, thus the book profits from the entire SPECTRE arc. Measured on its own merits it would come somewhere in the middle section for me. The book makes up with some brilliant parts, but in the end it's meant to be a film and this shows.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:09 PM

I wonder if it's fair to include '007 in New York' there at all. After all it's not that long, so to measure it by the same criteria as the others - structure, character development, so on - seems odd.

That aside this is roughly how I looked for years at the canon. Only recently I my opinion on THUNDERBALL has changed somewhat. Today I think the whole shambles about the film script and the different versions thereof show in the book, and I'd really rather a book without the screen influence. I think there is some lost potential in THUNDERBALL that was only realised later, thus the book profits from the entire SPECTRE arc. Measured on its own merits it would come somewhere in the middle section for me. The book makes up with some brilliant parts, but in the end it's meant to be a film and this shows.


I would agree with you about Thunderball. The first time I read it 23 years ago I picked up on the film angle without having known about the controversy. The novel defintily wins points on character development and style. Fleming is at his best on that.

i would not have include "007 in New York" , however, there is a background in the story that was not fully developed therefore it was included with its deductions. The same with "Quantum of Solace".

You cannot fault Fleming for the missed opportunity on "The Man With The Golden Gun", but he really missed it with "Goldfinger".

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

GOLDFINGER was one of the first Flemings I read, so that probably profits from the golden light of nostalgia with me. But looking at it with a more distanced eye it's indeed a work with serious flaws. I'd argue it's perhaps losing another notch or two in comparison with the other originals, but there's no arguing it, GOLDFINGER is below par. Would be below par even if one completely forgets about the series and just looks at this single entry and its own merits.

That said GOLDFINGER has two strong scenes going for it that I always look forward to when opening it. No, actually three. The beginning at the Miami airport, the miniature anecdote about Bond's business with Mexico's upcoming drug trade - by today's standards almost a childishly naivè episode on all sides, Bond's own included - and his musing about life and death and his - our - role in the scheme, all that is an outstandingly fine and serious work by a master of escapist literature.

Next comes Bond's by now obligatory torture at the hands of Odd Job while he must fear being sawn in two. That is such a horrible and disgusting image that it manages to invoke repulsion and fear for the hero, even though we know Bond won't die there in the middle of the book. Fleming could have upped the impact by mentioning earlier victims of the 'Pressure Room', but it works fine as is.

Finally Bond's - downright suicidal - way to get rid of Odd Job and force the plane to abort the trip to Russia. A personal favourite of mine and a highlight of Bond's daredevil courage. Yes, it's absolute utter lunacy and would end any human being dead and forgotten at the bottom of the sea. But it's done with such ease and sleight of hand that while reading I just swallow it.

Edited by Dustin, 06 July 2012 - 08:47 PM.